Camp cuts and other notes

asq2 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

asq2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Sens assign three to Binghamton (AHL): St. Pierre (C), Hennessy (LW) and D. Smith (D) and return Hoffman (LW) to Saint John (QMJHL).

What? Is he ineligible for the AHL or something? What's he going to learn in the Q? He had 52 goals in 62 games there last season.

As far as I understand, if he has junior eligibility, he cannot got to the AHL. He must go back to his CHL club.

Hmm. Odd rule. I thought it was just a matter of age. O'Brien must be junior eligible but he's playing in Bingo, right?

Pretty sure it's an age thing also, but I could be 100% wrong.

CCgotITcovered wrote:

N4L wrote:I like the Neil signing personally. I'm not saying he isnt over paid because he is, but if Neil can pop 8-10 goals and play the 4th line role he is there for, then I think people will change their tune a bit about the signing.

Carkner will probably fill in where he's needed kind of thing. I dont think Carkner HAS TO be a a fighter from what Ive seen so far. What people have over looked thus far is the guy is playing 18-20 mins a night on that blueline and doing a good job. He can obviously work the PK and is decent even strength. If he keeps things simple he can be the number 6 dman IMO.

The real question is can he push Campoli or Picard out of the lineup?

If given a choice between Campoli and Picard, its Picard in a runaway Imo. But if given the choice between Campoli and Carkner, I'm split right down the middle---never been a fan of Campoli, didn't support the trade, and Carkner hasn't done enough to prove he deserves to push anyone off the roster. (He has looked good, though.)

I dont think it's a matter of pushing anyone off the roster right now, but keeping him up in Ottawa for 500K as the 7th Dman isnt a bad thing. I would be willing to bet from what I've seen, he works his way into that lineup. He fills a need that no one else can really fill and that's a cheap, bang-em-up D man who can take a regular shift.

asq2 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

asq2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Sens assign three to Binghamton (AHL): St. Pierre (C), Hennessy (LW) and D. Smith (D) and return Hoffman (LW) to Saint John (QMJHL).

What? Is he ineligible for the AHL or something? What's he going to learn in the Q? He had 52 goals in 62 games there last season.

As far as I understand, if he has junior eligibility, he cannot got to the AHL. He must go back to his CHL club.

Hmm. Odd rule. I thought it was just a matter of age. O'Brien must be junior eligible but he's playing in Bingo, right?

O'Brien wasn't drafted last year. Thats what matters. You cannot take a freshly drafted NA player that is still eligible for the CHL and play him in the AHL. Thats the basics of the rule.

N4L wrote:

CCgotITcovered wrote:

N4L wrote:I like the Neil signing personally. I'm not saying he isnt over paid because he is, but if Neil can pop 8-10 goals and play the 4th line role he is there for, then I think people will change their tune a bit about the signing.

Carkner will probably fill in where he's needed kind of thing. I dont think Carkner HAS TO be a a fighter from what Ive seen so far. What people have over looked thus far is the guy is playing 18-20 mins a night on that blueline and doing a good job. He can obviously work the PK and is decent even strength. If he keeps things simple he can be the number 6 dman IMO.

The real question is can he push Campoli or Picard out of the lineup?

If given a choice between Campoli and Picard, its Picard in a runaway Imo. But if given the choice between Campoli and Carkner, I'm split right down the middle---never been a fan of Campoli, didn't support the trade, and Carkner hasn't done enough to prove he deserves to push anyone off the roster. (He has looked good, though.)

I dont think it's a matter of pushing anyone off the roster right now, but keeping him up in Ottawa for 500K as the 7th Dman isnt a bad thing. I would be willing to bet from what I've seen, he works his way into that lineup. He fills a need that no one else can really fill and that's a cheap, bang-em-up D man who can take a regular shift.

I don't disagree, but I'm 95% certain that there is no way Picard doesn't isn't the #5 D-man. He has too much promise and too much talent to miss. Campoli is a guy Murray made an effort to bring in, but Karlsson is quickly taking his place on the team. As long as the out #2,3,4 spots are filled by Kuba, Phillips, Volchenkov, there exists the possibility for a guy like Campoli to fill the 6 spot. It can be argued that Kuba is an offensive defenseman, but it isn't a homerun. Is there enough puck movement with those 3 and Carkner in the lineup? I don't know.

That being said, I really like what I saw from him last night (I didn't get a chance to see Friday's game, so I can't speak to it...)

CCgotITcovered wrote:

asq2 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

asq2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Sens assign three to Binghamton (AHL): St. Pierre (C), Hennessy (LW) and D. Smith (D) and return Hoffman (LW) to Saint John (QMJHL).

What? Is he ineligible for the AHL or something? What's he going to learn in the Q? He had 52 goals in 62 games there last season.

As far as I understand, if he has junior eligibility, he cannot got to the AHL. He must go back to his CHL club.

Hmm. Odd rule. I thought it was just a matter of age. O'Brien must be junior eligible but he's playing in Bingo, right?

O'Brien wasn't drafted last year. Thats what matters. You cannot take a freshly drafted NA player that is still eligible for the CHL and play him in the AHL. Thats the basics of the rule.

Yeah, that's what I understand. There may be more to it, but basically using Cowen as an example, he has to go back to Spokane and cannot go to Bingo.

I *think* a CHL player only qualifies for the AHL if he is 20 or has completed 4 years of junior. An NCAA player for example can play in the AHL imediately though, but would lose their NCAA eligibility (since they don't allow players to play in a pro league).

EDIT: Also, a player can suit up in the AHL after the CHL season is over, regardless of age or years of service in the NHL though. This is quite common.

hemlock wrote:

CCgotITcovered wrote:

asq2 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

asq2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Sens assign three to Binghamton (AHL): St. Pierre (C), Hennessy (LW) and D. Smith (D) and return Hoffman (LW) to Saint John (QMJHL).

What? Is he ineligible for the AHL or something? What's he going to learn in the Q? He had 52 goals in 62 games there last season.

As far as I understand, if he has junior eligibility, he cannot got to the AHL. He must go back to his CHL club.

Hmm. Odd rule. I thought it was just a matter of age. O'Brien must be junior eligible but he's playing in Bingo, right?

O'Brien wasn't drafted last year. Thats what matters. You cannot take a freshly drafted NA player that is still eligible for the CHL and play him in the AHL. Thats the basics of the rule.

Yeah, that's what I understand. There may be more to it, but basically using Cowen as an example, he has to go back to Spokane and cannot go to Bingo.

I *think* a CHL player only qualifies for the AHL if he is 20 or has completed 4 years of junior. An NCAA player for example can play in the AHL imediately though, but would lose their NCAA eligibility (since they don't allow players to play in a pro league).

EDIT: Also, a player can suit up in the AHL after the CHL season is over, regardless of age or years of service in the NHL though. This is quite common.

That's how I understood it, but I figured since Hoffman was 20, he was AHL-eligible. Thanks for clearing that up CC.

hemlock wrote:

CCgotITcovered wrote:

asq2 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

asq2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Sens assign three to Binghamton (AHL): St. Pierre (C), Hennessy (LW) and D. Smith (D) and return Hoffman (LW) to Saint John (QMJHL).

What? Is he ineligible for the AHL or something? What's he going to learn in the Q? He had 52 goals in 62 games there last season.

As far as I understand, if he has junior eligibility, he cannot got to the AHL. He must go back to his CHL club.

Hmm. Odd rule. I thought it was just a matter of age. O'Brien must be junior eligible but he's playing in Bingo, right?

O'Brien wasn't drafted last year. Thats what matters. You cannot take a freshly drafted NA player that is still eligible for the CHL and play him in the AHL. Thats the basics of the rule.

Yeah, that's what I understand. There may be more to it, but basically using Cowen as an example, he has to go back to Spokane and cannot go to Bingo.

I *think* a CHL player only qualifies for the AHL if he is 20 or has completed 4 years of junior. An NCAA player for example can play in the AHL imediately though, but would lose their NCAA eligibility (since they don't allow players to play in a pro league).

EDIT: Also, a player can suit up in the AHL after the CHL season is over, regardless of age or years of service in the NHL though. This is quite common.

Yeah that all sounds right.

asq - he actually won't be 20 until late Nov. I'm thinking that has a lot to do with it too.

asq2 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

CCgotITcovered wrote:

asq2 wrote:

hemlock wrote:

asq2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Sens assign three to Binghamton (AHL): St. Pierre (C), Hennessy (LW) and D. Smith (D) and return Hoffman (LW) to Saint John (QMJHL).

What? Is he ineligible for the AHL or something? What's he going to learn in the Q? He had 52 goals in 62 games there last season.

As far as I understand, if he has junior eligibility, he cannot got to the AHL. He must go back to his CHL club.

Hmm. Odd rule. I thought it was just a matter of age. O'Brien must be junior eligible but he's playing in Bingo, right?

O'Brien wasn't drafted last year. Thats what matters. You cannot take a freshly drafted NA player that is still eligible for the CHL and play him in the AHL. Thats the basics of the rule.

Yeah, that's what I understand. There may be more to it, but basically using Cowen as an example, he has to go back to Spokane and cannot go to Bingo.

I *think* a CHL player only qualifies for the AHL if he is 20 or has completed 4 years of junior. An NCAA player for example can play in the AHL imediately though, but would lose their NCAA eligibility (since they don't allow players to play in a pro league).

EDIT: Also, a player can suit up in the AHL after the CHL season is over, regardless of age or years of service in the NHL though. This is quite common.

That's how I understood it, but I figured since Hoffman was 20, he was AHL-eligible. Thanks for clearing that up CC.

He's 19. November 24, 1989 according to hockeydb. Perhaps since he is 19 when the seasons begin, he still has to go back to junior because he's met neither criteria. He's only had 3 years in the Q. It's actually 4, but the first was OHL and it was 2 games (I don't know if it qualifies).

CCgotITcovered wrote:asq - he actually won't be 20 until late Nov. I'm thinking that has a lot to do with it too.

Ha, I was just posting this.

hemlock wrote:

CCgotITcovered wrote:asq - he actually won't be 20 until late Nov. I'm thinking that has a lot to do with it too.

Ha, I was just posting this.

You were a little more precise, I think

I wonder, was he draft eligible previously? Almost 20 and not drafted? 5th round for a guy who had 73 goals in 81 games last season (including playoffs) seems like a steal to me.

CCgotITcovered wrote:

N4L wrote:

CCgotITcovered wrote:

N4L wrote:I like the Neil signing personally. I'm not saying he isnt over paid because he is, but if Neil can pop 8-10 goals and play the 4th line role he is there for, then I think people will change their tune a bit about the signing.

Carkner will probably fill in where he's needed kind of thing. I dont think Carkner HAS TO be a a fighter from what Ive seen so far. What people have over looked thus far is the guy is playing 18-20 mins a night on that blueline and doing a good job. He can obviously work the PK and is decent even strength. If he keeps things simple he can be the number 6 dman IMO.

The real question is can he push Campoli or Picard out of the lineup?

If given a choice between Campoli and Picard, its Picard in a runaway Imo. But if given the choice between Campoli and Carkner, I'm split right down the middle---never been a fan of Campoli, didn't support the trade, and Carkner hasn't done enough to prove he deserves to push anyone off the roster. (He has looked good, though.)

I dont think it's a matter of pushing anyone off the roster right now, but keeping him up in Ottawa for 500K as the 7th Dman isnt a bad thing. I would be willing to bet from what I've seen, he works his way into that lineup. He fills a need that no one else can really fill and that's a cheap, bang-em-up D man who can take a regular shift.

I don't disagree, but I'm 95% certain that there is no way Picard doesn't isn't the #5 D-man. He has too much promise and too much talent to miss. Campoli is a guy Murray made an effort to bring in, but Karlsson is quickly taking his place on the team. As long as the out #2,3,4 spots are filled by Kuba, Phillips, Volchenkov, there exists the possibility for a guy like Campoli to fill the 6 spot. It can be argued that Kuba is an offensive defenseman, but it isn't a homerun. Is there enough puck movement with those 3 and Carkner in the lineup? I don't know.

That being said, I really like what I saw from him last night (I didn't get a chance to see Friday's game, so I can't speak to it...)

Carkner literally beat this Dung out of 2 guys. He even got up from his last fight and asked "Are you kidding me" Looking down at the guy he lit up, haha. Maybe my favorite charcter on that team now with Karlsson.

CCgotITcovered wrote:asq - he actually won't be 20 until late Nov. I'm thinking that has a lot to do with it too.

Ah. Well there you go.

I was just going off of this page, I probably should have checked his birthdate more closely.

http://www.lhjmq.qc.ca/lang_en/index.php?page=2147483647&id_register=10882

Who's left in camp, anyways? They've got the 1-ways, plus Foligno, Regin, Smith, Karlsson, Carkner, Lee, Brodeur. Does that add up to 32? Who am am forgetting thats still in town?

nvm The citizen had their number of campers wrong (or the cuts to hoffman, henessy, et al happened after publication). There are only 28 left in camp. Here were the lines from today's practice, via SC via TSN:

These were the lines from practice this morning...

Michalek - Spezza - Alfredsson
Foligno - Shannon - Kovalev
Cheechoo - Regin - Fisher
Ruutu - Neil - Kelly
Donovan - Z Smith - Schubert

Phillips - Volchenkov
Kuba - Karlsson
Carkner - Campoli
Picard - Lee
Cowen

So Cheechoo has already been bumped from the 2nd line

Yeah yeah---lines change all the time---but that should be a pretty clear sign that he isn't being considered for 1st line duty.

The D-pairings are really interesting Imo. I had assumed Picard had the inside track to the 3rd pairing, but maybe not

Lee looks to be playing himself off the team. He really needs to play better or the Sens are going to need to trade him out of town. He still has some value but its slipping every day.

A trade is unlikely for Lee. He'll be sent to Bingo.

I wonder what a package of Picar, Kelly or Campoli, Kelly could bring in back? Any thoughts?