The Heatley Saga: What's in store in the next 30 days?

Vandelay wrote:

FireOnIce wrote:

beedub wrote:

Snuh wrote:

FireOnIce wrote:I say again.

Prepare for Heatley on opening night! :___:

How does one "prepare" for such an event? I'm curious.

I know a great way to celebrate Heatley in the lineup. No one show up.
Let them play the home opener to an empty arena

That would be fine if you want to ensure that all we get for Heatley is a 7th Round Draft selection.

Or you could show up, cheer your Donkey off, chant Heat-er, Heat-er, Heat-er when he scores 2 goals. That way when he has 40 goals after 60 games he can be traded for a sweet package. His salary will fit on every playoff contending team at that point in the season and the offers will be prospects, prospects and more prospects with a bit of 1st round picks on the side. :___:

If only it were that simple...but no, unfortunately he's not a UFA after this season.

I don't get it.

Are you saying no one will want a 50 goal scorer for the playoff run? It will cost any team that gets Heater around $1.7 million if he is traded around the trade deadline. No one will care about the remaining years of his contract at that time. They will only see a 50 goal scorer, who is available for the playoff run and it will only cost them around 1.7 mil.

The remaining years of Heaters contract, well they have all offseason to worry about his contract while they are planning their parade around Town.

Eklund is reporting that the Sharks, Habs and Sens are discussing a 3 way deal. As opposed to before when it was apparently the Sharks talking separately to each team.

He also calls the Heatley to Minny rumours "baseless"

My neighbours cat just pissed on an old hockey puck of mine that had a New York Islanders logo on it.

I think we are getting Tavares and Okposo.

I'm just trying to pass on the most relevant info.

eks new dog buzz picked San Jose as heatleys destination last night

The idea that we trade Heatley at the deadline ............. its just not going to happen. I don't know how serious the suggestion is, but its not the first time I've heard it (and its certainly not the first time I've rolled my eyes at it).

What's the logic, exactly? He's playing well and other teams want him, but apparently we don't? In this scenario, you're pretty much telling the rest of the team to go Diddle themselves and that we're giving up on the playoffs.

Or is it that we're not contending, despite Heatley's offensive output? Does he really put up 40 in 60 for a team that isn't in a playoff position?

Or is it just that he's sucking and we want to get rid of him? In which case, the return would be trash.

In what scenario does it actually make sense to expect Heatley to be traded at the deadline?

There are too many factors to say you can't trade Heatley at the deadline.

Is Heatley being a bigger distraction than it's worth to keep him around?
Is he scoring at a pace that you can't live without going into the playoffs?

Are the players you're getting back enough to compensate for the loss of Heatley.

Since we're playing the what if we trade Heatley at the deadline game? What if at the deadline LA comes to us and offers Brown, Tuebert, and a 1st round pick. Assuming Heatley is not scoring at a great pace and LA is in the Lottery...

I know it's a ridiculous thing to say LA would give all that for Heatley, but my point is Heatley going at the deadline is just as possible as him going next summer before July 1st. It will happen when it happens, all I ask for now is the Fat Bastard shows up ready to play in October.

cas wrote:The idea that we trade Heatley at the deadline ............. its just not going to happen. I don't know how serious the suggestion is, but its not the first time I've heard it (and its certainly not the first time I've rolled my eyes at it).

What's the logic, exactly? He's playing well and other teams want him, but apparently we don't? In this scenario, you're pretty much telling the rest of the team to go Diddle themselves and that we're giving up on the playoffs.

Or is it that we're not contending, despite Heatley's offensive output? Does he really put up 40 in 60 for a team that isn't in a playoff position?

Or is it just that he's sucking and we want to get rid of him? In which case, the return would be trash.

In what scenario does it actually make sense to expect Heatley to be traded at the deadline?

I was literally ignoring the idea of trading Heatley at the deadline because it was actually so idiotic it didnt deserve a response. Since you did, you're bang on buddy.

Let's see, Sens are in a playoff spot/race, Heatley is tearing it up, so we trade him because he asked for a trade 8, 9 months ago... lots of logic. Lets risk losing our top scorer (in season) and a playoff spot to accomidate a selfish prick...

Good for you Cas, always good having you around, dropping reality on people!

Dawg's Wife wrote:There are too many factors to say you can't trade Heatley at the deadline.

Is Heatley being a bigger distraction than it's worth to keep him around?
Is he scoring at a pace that you can't live without going into the playoffs?

Are the players you're getting back enough to compensate for the loss of Heatley.

Since we're playing the what if we trade Heatley at the deadline game? What if at the deadline LA comes to us and offers Brown, Tuebert, and a 1st round pick. Assuming Heatley is not scoring at a great pace and LA is in the Lottery...

I know it's a ridiculous thing to say LA would give all that for Heatley, but my point is Heatley going at the deadline is just as possible as him going next summer before July 1st. It will happen when it happens, all I ask for now is the Fat Bastard shows up ready to play in October.

At the deadline, any team looking to add Heatley isnt going to take away from their current team and any team that isnt in the playoff picture will be looking for draft picks and prospects.

If Ottawa is playing well along with Heatley and The Sens are right in the thick of things, Heatley wont be going anywhere.

Once the season starts there is absolutly no point in dealing for Heatley. Unless The Sens going into the tank out of the gate and Heatley is too big of a distraction, then maybe you deal him in season.

I would say the deadline is about the least likely scenario for him to get dealt, period. Either The Sens get out of the gate in good shape and will be in the playoffs race, or Heatley and The Sens struggle and Murray will do anything to save the season and get rid of him. Those are about the only two scenario's in general that will pop up.

That being said, if LA does offer that, of course you make the trade. We all know that will never happen though.

cas wrote:The idea that we trade Heatley at the deadline ............. its just not going to happen. I don't know how serious the suggestion is, but its not the first time I've heard it (and its certainly not the first time I've rolled my eyes at it).

What's the logic, exactly? He's playing well and other teams want him, but apparently we don't? In this scenario, you're pretty much telling the rest of the team to go Diddle themselves and that we're giving up on the playoffs.

Or is it that we're not contending, despite Heatley's offensive output? Does he really put up 40 in 60 for a team that isn't in a playoff position?

Or is it just that he's sucking and we want to get rid of him? In which case, the return would be trash.

In what scenario does it actually make sense to expect Heatley to be traded at the deadline?

His worth is more, teams are more desperate, they have the cap space. We could find ourselves with 2 blue chip prospects (as they won't help the team win the Cup) and one top 6 forward with grit etc. like Michalek.

Not to mention the price is 3.5 (cap space) and less than 2 in actual money.

I think our return could justify a Heatley trade at the deadline if we play our cards right. Or perhaps December or January when teams have made assessments of their teams and realize they're missing that top line sniper.

SpezDispenser wrote:

cas wrote:The idea that we trade Heatley at the deadline ............. its just not going to happen. I don't know how serious the suggestion is, but its not the first time I've heard it (and its certainly not the first time I've rolled my eyes at it).

What's the logic, exactly? He's playing well and other teams want him, but apparently we don't? In this scenario, you're pretty much telling the rest of the team to go Diddle themselves and that we're giving up on the playoffs.

Or is it that we're not contending, despite Heatley's offensive output? Does he really put up 40 in 60 for a team that isn't in a playoff position?

Or is it just that he's sucking and we want to get rid of him? In which case, the return would be trash.

In what scenario does it actually make sense to expect Heatley to be traded at the deadline?

His worth is more, teams are more desperate, they have the cap space. We could find ourselves with 2 blue chip prospects (as they won't help the team win the Cup) and one top 6 forward with grit etc. like Michalek.

Not to mention the price is 3.5 (cap space) and less than 2 in actual money.

I think our return could justify a Heatley trade at the deadline if we play our cards right. Or perhaps December or January when teams have made assessments of their teams and realize they're missing that top line sniper.

No no no... this is the problem... All you guys who think this is a possibility are missing the fact that the Sens with Heatley are going to be firmly entrenched in the playoff picture. In which case, they do not trade their highest payed, and possibly highest scoring, player just before the playoffs. Its the biggest 'Diddle you' to the rest of the players that they could possibly give.

In this scenario, they've overcome all the tension created by the trade request and have found a way to gel (enough to merit not trading Heatley LONG before the 3/4 mark of the season) and the fans have come to (partially) accept Heatley as one of their own again. Then, at the time when we should be loading up for a run, we trade down to a Michalek level player just to get some future assets?

Say goodbye to Ottawa being a destination for UFA's and current assets

cas wrote:
No no no... this is the problem... All you guys who think this is a possibility are missing the fact that the Sens with Heatley are going to be firmly entrenched in the playoff picture. In which case, they do not trade their highest payed, and possibly highest scoring, player just before the playoffs. Its the biggest 'Diddle you' to the rest of the players that they could possibly give.

In this scenario, they've overcome all the tension created by the trade request and have found a way to gel (enough to merit not trading Heatley LONG before the 3/4 mark of the season) and the fans have come to (partially) accept Heatley as one of their own again. Then, at the time when we should be loading up for a run, we trade down to a Michalek level player just to get some future assets?

Say goodbye to Ottawa being a destination for UFA's and current assets

The players would understand. Rest assured, it doesn't matter when it happens, when the right deal is finally put to Murray, Heatley's gone. He put himself before the team and the coach, and that's the cardinal sin in sports. There would be too much of a risk in waiting until summer if the right deal came along in February. Besides, Murray has stated since this began that he wasn't looking for scraps, he wants players would can contribute now and make a difference. So, take Michalek out and think of some combo that a team offers that makes us a better, deeper team going into the stretch - because that's what it'll take for Murray to do it.

He would know the risks involved and he'd handle it the way he is now - very well.

Could you imagine the backlash come Feb/Mar if The Sens are on top of the division and they trade their 35-40 goal man for picks and prospects, HAHA, WOW... I might hang it up as a Sens fan right there. I cant stand Heatley and what he has done is gutless, but the fact remains if The Sens are right in it and look like they can go for a serious playoff run I would be furious if they screwed with what was working in season as would the players. Screw you fans, screw you Alfi, screw everyone.

Neely4Life wrote:Could you imagine the backlash come Feb/Mar if The Sens are on top of the division and they trade their 35-40 goal man for picks and prospects, HAHA, WOW... I might hang it up as a Sens fan right there. I cant stand Heatley and what he has done is gutless, but the fact remains if The Sens are right in it and look like they can go for a serious playoff run I would be furious if they screwed with what was working in season as would the players. Screw you fans, screw you Alfi, screw everyone.

It wouldn't be like that. Murray isn't dumb.

Neely4Life wrote:

cas wrote:The idea that we trade Heatley at the deadline ............. its just not going to happen. I don't know how serious the suggestion is, but its not the first time I've heard it (and its certainly not the first time I've rolled my eyes at it).

What's the logic, exactly? He's playing well and other teams want him, but apparently we don't? In this scenario, you're pretty much telling the rest of the team to go Diddle themselves and that we're giving up on the playoffs.

Or is it that we're not contending, despite Heatley's offensive output? Does he really put up 40 in 60 for a team that isn't in a playoff position?

Or is it just that he's sucking and we want to get rid of him? In which case, the return would be trash.

In what scenario does it actually make sense to expect Heatley to be traded at the deadline?

I was literally ignoring the idea of trading Heatley at the deadline because it was actually so idiotic it didnt deserve a response. Since you did, you're bang on buddy.

Let's see, Sens are in a playoff spot/race, Heatley is tearing it up, so we trade him because he asked for a trade 8, 9 months ago... lots of logic. Lets risk losing our top scorer (in season) and a playoff spot to accomidate a selfish prick...

Good for you Cas, always good having you around, dropping reality on people!

Likewise.

DW - you raise some good points, but I have to agree with N4L's take on it. It just doesn't make sense that a team would offer such quality assets for Heatley at the deadline that we could justify moving him. We won't be bottom feeders this year, so that precludes the idea of dealing for the future at the deadline.

SpezDispenser wrote:

cas wrote:
No no no... this is the problem... All you guys who think this is a possibility are missing the fact that the Sens with Heatley are going to be firmly entrenched in the playoff picture. In which case, they do not trade their highest payed, and possibly highest scoring, player just before the playoffs. Its the biggest 'Diddle you' to the rest of the players that they could possibly give.

In this scenario, they've overcome all the tension created by the trade request and have found a way to gel (enough to merit not trading Heatley LONG before the 3/4 mark of the season) and the fans have come to (partially) accept Heatley as one of their own again. Then, at the time when we should be loading up for a run, we trade down to a Michalek level player just to get some future assets?

Say goodbye to Ottawa being a destination for UFA's and current assets

The players would understand. Rest assured, it doesn't matter when it happens, when the right deal is finally put to Murray, Heatley's gone. He put himself before the team and the coach, and that's the cardinal sin in sports. There would be too much of a risk in waiting until summer if the right deal came along in February. Besides, Murray has stated since this began that he wasn't looking for scraps, he wants players would can contribute now and make a difference. So, take Michalek out and think of some combo that a team offers that makes us a better, deeper team going into the stretch - because that's what it'll take for Murray to do it.

He would know the risks involved and he'd handle it the way he is now - very well.

Cas is bang on here. Hate to tell you that but you're out in left feild thinking if The Sens are running through The East that Heatley will get dealt if he is on the team. Once again, the logo is more important then the name on the back. The only possible reason you deal Dany Heatley in season is if things are so disfunctional early on things have to change.

If The Sens and Heatley go 2-3 rounds deep into the playoffs Heatley's value will be a lot higher and teams will probably clear space going into next season knowing he is available.

No chance Murray risks screwing up something that has the possibility of being a great season if all in well on the ice. Melnyk would probably fire him on the spot.

SpezDispenser wrote:

cas wrote:
No no no... this is the problem... All you guys who think this is a possibility are missing the fact that the Sens with Heatley are going to be firmly entrenched in the playoff picture. In which case, they do not trade their highest payed, and possibly highest scoring, player just before the playoffs. Its the biggest 'Diddle you' to the rest of the players that they could possibly give.

In this scenario, they've overcome all the tension created by the trade request and have found a way to gel (enough to merit not trading Heatley LONG before the 3/4 mark of the season) and the fans have come to (partially) accept Heatley as one of their own again. Then, at the time when we should be loading up for a run, we trade down to a Michalek level player just to get some future assets?

Say goodbye to Ottawa being a destination for UFA's and current assets

The players would understand. Rest assured, it doesn't matter when it happens, when the right deal is finally put to Murray, Heatley's gone. He put himself before the team and the coach, and that's the cardinal sin in sports. There would be too much of a risk in waiting until summer if the right deal came along in February. Besides, Murray has stated since this began that he wasn't looking for scraps, he wants players would can contribute now and make a difference. So, take Michalek out and think of some combo that a team offers that makes us a better, deeper team going into the stretch - because that's what it'll take for Murray to do it.

He would know the risks involved and he'd handle it the way he is now - very well.

So explain to me, than, which team would need Heatley for the stretch run and still be willing to give up that kind of current asset for him?

SpezDispenser wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Could you imagine the backlash come Feb/Mar if The Sens are on top of the division and they trade their 35-40 goal man for picks and prospects, HAHA, WOW... I might hang it up as a Sens fan right there. I cant stand Heatley and what he has done is gutless, but the fact remains if The Sens are right in it and look like they can go for a serious playoff run I would be furious if they screwed with what was working in season as would the players. Screw you fans, screw you Alfi, screw everyone.

It wouldn't be like that. Murray isn't dumb.

Well thats exactly what it would be to everyone invested in The Sens. Trade deadline is probably the last possible time Heatley would ever get dealt.