The Heatley Saga: What's in store in the next 30 days?

SensFan71 wrote:well the thought of Kovy and Heatley on the sides of Spezza must make opposing coaches cringe, If Kovy and Heatley are both on their game at the same time, with one of the premier setup guys in the league at a young age between them, they all could be wracking up big time points, especially on the PP, Kovy owns the PP.

True... but I also think the thought of Heatley coming back to the Sens and being an issue in the room is making Murray cringe equally.

Sens19 wrote:I think the deadline doesn't really mean anything other than to get more offers. Murray won't stop accepting or listening to offers next week. Whatever he says he does NOT want Heatley back on the team.

I disagree.

Murray doesn't care if Heatley is on the team or not. What he cares about is if Heatley is to be traded, he wants the best return possible to make the Sens better now and in the future. If he can't get that, Heatley makes this team better now. He will deal with the future at the trade deadline.

I have been saying this for the whole week I have been here, more silently than this but still. Prepare yourselves for Heatley on opening night, he will be wearing #15 for the Ottawa Senators. :___:

I couldn't be happier. :##:

shabbs wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:well the thought of Kovy and Heatley on the sides of Spezza must make opposing coaches cringe, If Kovy and Heatley are both on their game at the same time, with one of the premier setup guys in the league at a young age between them, they all could be wracking up big time points, especially on the PP, Kovy owns the PP.

True... but I also think the thought of Heatley coming back to the Sens and being an issue in the room is making Murray cringe equally.

a very excellent point indeed, on the other side of the coin, I think Heatley is not liking the thought of having to face the music in the Sens locker room after everything has gone down this way. Murray like you said is cringing because Heatley could possibly come in and try to ruin the young players we have coming up the pipeline.

SensFan71 wrote:

shabbs wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:well the thought of Kovy and Heatley on the sides of Spezza must make opposing coaches cringe, If Kovy and Heatley are both on their game at the same time, with one of the premier setup guys in the league at a young age between them, they all could be wracking up big time points, especially on the PP, Kovy owns the PP.

True... but I also think the thought of Heatley coming back to the Sens and being an issue in the room is making Murray cringe equally.

a very excellent point indeed, on the other side of the coin, I think Heatley is not liking the thought of having to face the music in the Sens locker room after everything has gone down this way. Murray like you said is cringing because Heatley could possibly come in and try to ruin the young players we have coming up the pipeline.

Not that it would ever get to that point, but Alfie, Fisher, Phillips, Smith, Neil, maybe Volchenkov, and probably even Spezza would never let that happen.

Prepare for Heater on opening night!

"Murray doesn't care if Heatley is on the team or not"???  Are you kidding me? Maybe in xbox leagues it doesn't matter and no, it's not the end of the world (the players will play their game with or without him) but to suggest Murray doesn't care...I guess on the xbox it doesn't make any difference but in reality...  I'm also not sure how much his value is going to improve.  Heatley is one of the top snipers in the league, GMs around the league know this.  They know what he brings on the ice.  The issue is that he doesn't want to be in Ottawa for a stupid reason.  Him coming back to Ottawa is not really going to change that.  I to, hope he tears it up and surely that will help in getting a deal done down the road but I don't expect anything better than the deals that have been dreamt up on here.

FireOnIce wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

shabbs wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:well the thought of Kovy and Heatley on the sides of Spezza must make opposing coaches cringe, If Kovy and Heatley are both on their game at the same time, with one of the premier setup guys in the league at a young age between them, they all could be wracking up big time points, especially on the PP, Kovy owns the PP.

True... but I also think the thought of Heatley coming back to the Sens and being an issue in the room is making Murray cringe equally.

a very excellent point indeed, on the other side of the coin, I think Heatley is not liking the thought of having to face the music in the Sens locker room after everything has gone down this way. Murray like you said is cringing because Heatley could possibly come in and try to ruin the young players we have coming up the pipeline.

Not that it would ever get to that point, but Alfie, Fisher, Phillips, Smith, Neil, maybe Volchenkov, and probably even Spezza would never let that happen.

Prepare for Heater on opening night!

another valid point indeed, man the booing will be huge the first time he plays at SBP if he is indeed in a Sens jersey this season, and it is looking more likely that will be the case. Murray has made it known he will not deal just for the sake of dealing, it has to be a good hockey deal, which makes me question accepting that Edm offer at free agency time, Cogs/Penner/Smid isn't a real attractive offer.

FireOnIce wrote:

Not that it would ever get to that point, but Alfie, Fisher, Phillips, Smith, Neil, maybe Volchenkov, and probably even Spezza would never let that happen.

Prepare for Heater on opening night!

How can you be confidant in saying that after all that's already happened with the bad eggs in the room?

I will be the first one to come to this site and admit I was wrong if Heatley were to be traded before Opening Night.

I will say this again though, if he is traded before our first game, none of us will be happy with the return pertaining to the value. Sure, we may be happy the distraction is gone, but the assets coming back will be weak. Sure, we may be happy that our cap-hit next year is manageable, but be prepared to be out of the playoffs for quite awhile.

These rumors lies that bloggers make up are never being offered at this point in time. I can't believe they are even being talked about as a reality.

Prepare for Heater on opening night!

shabbs wrote:

FireOnIce wrote:

Not that it would ever get to that point, but Alfie, Fisher, Phillips, Smith, Neil, maybe Volchenkov, and probably even Spezza would never let that happen.

Prepare for Heater on opening night!

How can you be confidant in saying that after all that's already happened with the bad eggs in the room?

People of character tend to learn from their mistakes. They evolve.

Prepare for Heater on opening night!

i have to admit to a certain curiosity in wanting to watch heatley, spezza and kovalev on the same line.... i mean that could be killer! those are 3 players playing to have a roster spot in their countries.... man-o-man, that could be a crazy scoring line!

FireOnIce wrote:

shabbs wrote:

FireOnIce wrote:

Not that it would ever get to that point, but Alfie, Fisher, Phillips, Smith, Neil, maybe Volchenkov, and probably even Spezza would never let that happen.

Prepare for Heater on opening night!

How can you be confidant in saying that after all that's already happened with the bad eggs in the room?

People of character tend to learn from their mistakes. They evolve.

Prepare for Heater on opening night!

Hey all it is Clutch here in the south of France. I could not find the apostrophe key so i cannot login as myself and the keys are messed up just enough so that i have to finger type

GMHockey Braintrust wrote:Hey all it is Clutch here in the south of France. I could not find the apostrophe key so i cannot login as myself and the keys are messed up just enough so that i have to finger type

bonjour bonjour! how is the south of france? you near carcassone or marseille?

GMHockey Braintrust wrote:Hey all it is Clutch here in the south of France. I could not find the apostrophe key so i cannot login as myself and the keys are messed up just enough so that i have to finger type

I had the same problem in Italy. Damn foreign language keyboards.

SensFan71 wrote:

FireOnIce wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

shabbs wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:well the thought of Kovy and Heatley on the sides of Spezza must make opposing coaches cringe, If Kovy and Heatley are both on their game at the same time, with one of the premier setup guys in the league at a young age between them, they all could be wracking up big time points, especially on the PP, Kovy owns the PP.

True... but I also think the thought of Heatley coming back to the Sens and being an issue in the room is making Murray cringe equally.

a very excellent point indeed, on the other side of the coin, I think Heatley is not liking the thought of having to face the music in the Sens locker room after everything has gone down this way. Murray like you said is cringing because Heatley could possibly come in and try to ruin the young players we have coming up the pipeline.

Not that it would ever get to that point, but Alfie, Fisher, Phillips, Smith, Neil, maybe Volchenkov, and probably even Spezza would never let that happen.

Prepare for Heater on opening night!

another valid point indeed, man the booing will be huge the first time he plays at SBP if he is indeed in a Sens jersey this season, and it is looking more likely that will be the case. Murray has made it known he will not deal just for the sake of dealing, it has to be a good hockey deal, which makes me question accepting that Edm offer at free agency time, Cogs/Penner/Smid isn't a real attractive offer.

Murray loves to obtain guys he has drafted/signed before. Look at his history. I bet he really wanted Penner and Smid, while Cogs has some upside.

shabbs wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

another valid point indeed, man the booing will be huge the first time he plays at SBP if he is indeed in a Sens jersey this season, and it is looking more likely that will be the case. Murray has made it known he will not deal just for the sake of dealing, it has to be a good hockey deal, which makes me question accepting that Edm offer at free agency time, Cogs/Penner/Smid isn't a real attractive offer.

Murray loves to obtain guys he has drafted/signed before. Look at his history. I bet he really wanted Penner and Smid, while Cogs has some upside.

I actually think that deal was pretty good, certainly at the time it was announced. I think Cogliano has fairly significant upside as a top 6 forward, and Smid shows signs of becoming a very solid d-man. I know Pierre Maguire doesn't think much of Smid, but then I don't think much of Maguire.

The wild card in the deal was Penner. I know he's been overweight and not played particularly well. He could very well be a dud. However, I think he can regain his previous form in a different environment. He was clearly overpaid by the Oilers, and expectations set way too high, and he didn't rise to that challenge.

But in Ottawa he'd possibly be playing on the 3rd line, with expectations really low, and much less pressure. He'd also be playing in a system that proved pretty successful late last season, and Clouston might be able to offer the structure needed to get his game back on track.

Its a risk, but if Cogs and Smid pan out as many expect them too, and if Penner surprises by playing more like he did in Anaheim, the deal could work out well.

Now that the Sens have paid the $4M, hopefully Murray can wrangle a little more out of Edm, and maybe throw in Schubert to get him off the books.

With some extra cap space cleared up, it could open the door for Murray to make other moves to strengthen the team, like maybe getting Tanguay to play LW on one of the top 2 lines.

GMHockey Braintrust wrote:Hey all it is Clutch here in the south of France. I could not find the apostrophe key so i cannot login as myself and the keys are messed up just enough so that i have to finger type

That's pretty funny, I won't lie.

I picked Marc Savard and Jonathan Toews for you in the Fantasy Pool.

You're welcome on the Toews selection.

Jordo wrote:I'd love to see a deal with Minnesota go down. As far as I'm concerned, if we get Brent Burns out of this- we are set up for a VERY good season. Even without Heatley, our offense is okay.

However, if we snag a left winger out of this deal as well- someone of the PMB or Brunette fame... we would be SET UP. We may need to trade Kelly for him- but imagine getting:

Burns and Pierre Marc Bouchard + Future considerations
for
Heatley + Kelly

I would do Burns for Heatley straight up. Nothing more needed IMO.

I'm still debating whether the Canucks would give up Kesler and Bieksa for Heatley.

They certainly wouldn't give up Hodgson the more I think about it.

That's a nice deal. Leaves the Canucks with a crappy bottom pairing though.

That's where...Lee comes in?