The Heatley Saga: What's in store in the next 30 days?

Acrobat wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Acrobat wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Acrobat wrote:

caissie_1 wrote:What concert are you going to see?

U2

Nice! I wonder if Bono will go on a rant mid-show about the plight of Africans. I've heard he does that.

Every tour....

I haven't missed a tour since Unforgettable Fire....and every damn time, he's done the same thing...a self-important rant

I wish singers would stick to singing, and leave politics to politicians.

Nice! I've never seen them in concert, but I've got a huge U2 Bootleg collection around somewhere.

I don't mind him getting involved in causes, but there is a time and place for a rant. People paying to see the band shouldn't be subjected to that. Otherwise, he does good in that he sheds light on some worthy causes.

i'm not a fan of U2 or bono but i like that he does that. i think anybody can spare 5 minutes... besides nobody stands up for anything anymore. i went to see The Cult on their last tour and before the encore they presented a 10 minute video on burma. not exactly rock n roll stuff but why not. alot of people could use a little "awakening".

I think it's one thing to make people aware of the issues - much of U2's music is politically motivated. I respect that. It's no different than anyone else taking a stand on something, only they have the "star power" and money to be more effective and be heard.

What troubles me is when it becomes a show, rather than a true mission. Last time U2 came to Canada, Bono sat down with Paul Martin. He was unhappy with the outcome of the meeting, and the show in Ottawa reflected this - it lacked energy, the timing was off, and his rant seemed to have a bit more vitriol and anger towards the politicians than usual.

I have an almost complete bootleg collection - CD singles, promo discs, out-takes, demos and remixes, as well as recordings of virtually every concert they have ever played. Not sure why exactly, but when you start collecting, sometimes it becomes a habit rather than a logical activity. I say this because I have never shared any of them, I have never checked most of them, and in fact I'm not even really interested in listening to 15 concerts from the same tour.

To go back to the original comment - Bono has done something effective. He was part of the group that initiated "Product Red". Pretty good for a guy with the stupidest looking sunglasses ever invented.

To address your comment that nobody stands for anything any more - that in itself is a mission to take up.
"Take a stand" "Have a Voice" "Make a Difference"
I try to teach my kids these principles (six year olds don't really get it though). Maybe their generation will be the ones to stop worshipping at the altar of the almighty dollar and see what can be done. More likely they'll be just as bad as us, though.

wprager wrote:

Dash wrote:How does NY plan on paying Gaborik (7.5), Heatley (7.5), Drury (7.05), Lundqvist (6.95), Redden (6.5), and Roszisval (5)?

It boggles the mind...

Like they're going to waive or buy out Redden, and good luck finding takers for those other salaries.

But ok, if they want him and he's happy to go there (Heatley that is), then I want Callahan, Dubinsky, Grachev and Sanguinetti... and a 1st.

That's assuming all those "reports" of the Rangers being interested are true. And if they are, then we're surely taking back salary.

pgood wrote:

wprager wrote:

Dash wrote:How does NY plan on paying Gaborik (7.5), Heatley (7.5), Drury (7.05), Lundqvist (6.95), Redden (6.5), and Roszisval (5)?

It boggles the mind...

Like they're going to waive or buy out Redden, and good luck finding takers for those other salaries.

But ok, if they want him and he's happy to go there (Heatley that is), then I want Callahan, Dubinsky, Grachev and Sanguinetti... and a 1st.

That's assuming all those "reports" of the Rangers being interested are true. And if they are, then we're surely taking back salary.

The only salary NY has that I'd be interested in is Lundqvist. So if they want to dump his contract, then so be it. Something tells me they don't want Heatley that bad and that Lundqvist is the only decent big contract they have on their books right now

FireOnIce wrote:

pgood wrote:

wprager wrote:

Dash wrote:How does NY plan on paying Gaborik (7.5), Heatley (7.5), Drury (7.05), Lundqvist (6.95), Redden (6.5), and Roszisval (5)?

It boggles the mind...

Like they're going to waive or buy out Redden, and good luck finding takers for those other salaries.

But ok, if they want him and he's happy to go there (Heatley that is), then I want Callahan, Dubinsky, Grachev and Sanguinetti... and a 1st.

That's assuming all those "reports" of the Rangers being interested are true. And if they are, then we're surely taking back salary.

The only salary NY has that I'd be interested in is Lundqvist. So if they want to dump his contract, then so be it. Something tells me they don't want Heatley that bad and that Lundqvist is the only decent big contract they have on their books right now

Totally agree.

I think I posted this earlier but I may have just been thinking it. The Rangers could be the worst trading partner out there for us. There is no way they are giving us Lundqvist and the only other thing we should want from them is this package and this package only. Dubinsky, Stall/Del Zotto, Grachev and their 1st. Maybe switch Callahan with Dubinsky too, either or just like the D guys.

Good luck on them giving us either deal.

FireOnIce wrote:
Totally agree.

I think I posted this earlier but I may have just been thinking it. The Rangers could be the worst trading partner out there for us. There is no way they are giving us Lundqvist and the only other thing we should want from them is this package and this package only. Dubinsky, Stall/Del Zotto, Grachev and their 1st. Maybe switch Callahan with Dubinsky too, either or just like the D guys.

Good luck on them giving us either deal.

SpezDispenser wrote:

FireOnIce wrote:
Totally agree.

I think I posted this earlier but I may have just been thinking it. The Rangers could be the worst trading partner out there for us. There is no way they are giving us Lundqvist and the only other thing we should want from them is this package and this package only. Dubinsky, Stall/Del Zotto, Grachev and their 1st. Maybe switch Callahan with Dubinsky too, either or just like the D guys.

Good luck on them giving us either deal.

Yeah, I have no idea why Sather is even in this to be honest. There's nothing he can offer us that would be adequate - and I highly doubt Murray wants Rozy's salary when dumping Heatley could - and should bring us some cap relief.

I don't like the Rangers because they're close to the cap - and besides Dubinsky - who I'm honestly not as sold on as most people - and Staal who must be untouchable, who is there? Nothing of consequence IMO. The first rounder from next year is double-edged too, if they get Heatley, they might finish 8th-10th - and that pick becomes average instead of stellar. Plus it's inter-conference.

Don't like it personally.

FireOnIce wrote:

Personally, I don't think Sather is trying to be honest. It's all media, and I am not a fan of jibberish.

Fool me once, shame on you . Fool me twice, shame on me.

SpezDispenser wrote:

FireOnIce wrote:

Personally, I don't think Sather is trying to be honest. It's all media, and I am not a fan of jibberish.

Fool me once, shame on you . Fool me twice, shame on me.

I think he is personally. The man needs to acquire whatever's on the market. He sees Heatley and the name - and he sees glory and 50 goals/100 points. And the Rangers making the playoffs and contending for a Cup. He sees a little Mark Messier in him and a little Brett Hull.

I'm telling you, the guy thinks like that. He's definitely in on this. Problem is (to me) he doesn't have the goods to make this transaction.

shabbs wrote:Dealing with San Jose will give us NO cap relief. As far as making a deal for cap relief... Ottawa and San Jose are probably the worst two partners.

wprager wrote:Let's just forget about this until March. Drop the puck, already, win the face off, pass it to Dany then back to the bench for some congratulatory high-fives.

FireOnIce wrote:

wprager wrote:Let's just forget about this until March. Drop the puck, already, win the face off, pass it to Dany then back to the bench for some congratulatory high-fives.

I sure hope so. That is what I voted for in the poll and have never really got on board with trading him anyway.

I don't understand the fascination with getting a Dubinsky, Michalek, Cogliano or D. Roy back as a centerpiece to trading a Top 10 player in the NHL away.

No thanks. Give me Heater anyday. He will play his heart (if he has one) out. We have two things working for us this season with him. He wants to prove his mettle and he wants a medal. :___:

wprager wrote:Hmm, if the Rangers dump salary to make room for Heatley, then perhaps their future picks would be actually worth something. I like Dubinsky, but I don't want another center.

Honestly, though, I want to not even think about dealing with another team up against the cap. I don't want significant salary back. I want to clear the cap space so that we can make informed decisions next year, rather than be forced to give up on players strictly on cap concerns.

Let's just call a mulligan on this year -- Heatley will play with the Sens, he'll play in the Olympics with his "buddy" Spezza, and when March rolls around some new destinations will suddenly have room to accommodate his remaining salary. I doubt we are pushing for a long playoff run, but there are probably going to be teams that could use a 50-goal scorer to better-balance their attack heading into the playoffs. Let's face it, Heatley can make *any* team better because there isn't one out there that has a top-six he can't crack. We may not get great picks from a contending team, but we could probably get a younger top-six and prospects.

Let's just forget about this until March. Drop the puck, already, win the face off, pass it to Dany then back to the bench for some congratulatory high-fives.

RobbyJ wrote:

FireOnIce wrote:

wprager wrote:Let's just forget about this until March. Drop the puck, already, win the face off, pass it to Dany then back to the bench for some congratulatory high-fives.

I sure hope so. That is what I voted for in the poll and have never really got on board with trading him anyway.

I don't understand the fascination with getting a Dubinsky, Michalek, Cogliano or D. Roy back as a centerpiece to trading a Top 10 player in the NHL away.

No thanks. Give me Heater anyday. He will play his heart (if he has one) out. We have two things working for us this season with him. He wants to prove his mettle and he wants a medal. :___:

Did you watch Heatley play last year ?? He was nowhere near Top 10 in the league other than by paycheck.

Dany (Tin Man) Heatley will not play hard for Ottawa, he will sulk and suck. He doesn't think he has anything to prove, or else he would have responded to Clousten last season when challenged.

RobbyJ wrote:

FireOnIce wrote:

wprager wrote:Let's just forget about this until March. Drop the puck, already, win the face off, pass it to Dany then back to the bench for some congratulatory high-fives.

I sure hope so. That is what I voted for in the poll and have never really got on board with trading him anyway.

I don't understand the fascination with getting a Dubinsky, Michalek, Cogliano or D. Roy back as a centerpiece to trading a Top 10 player in the NHL away.

No thanks. Give me Heater anyday. He will play his heart (if he has one) out. We have two things working for us this season with him. He wants to prove his mettle and he wants a medal. :___:

Did you watch Heatley play last year ?? He was nowhere near Top 10 in the league other than by paycheck.

Dany (Tin Man) Heatley will not play hard for Ottawa, he will sulk and suck. He doesn't think he has anything to prove, or else he would have responded to Clousten last season when challenged.