Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First?

SensFan71 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Is it possible that Clouston was disgusted with the shape Heatley was in when he took over and told him slash cut his time back because of that?

That's one of those things that I could see leading to a trade demand.

well that is a hell of a lot better than the whole messing around with other teammate's girls rumours that some people on other sites have been pushing as the cause.

ddt wrote:

davetherave wrote:The Sharks have done some housecleaning (Roenick, Plihal, Goc, Grier, Erhoff, Lukowich--none of them key assets) and in doing so, sent a message to their current roster that jobs are to be earned.

Really? To me, this tells the big guys to keep underachieving, because only lower level guys will pay the price.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

cas wrote:This is where it gets interesting. I expect there's a limit to how committed DH will be for this team. He'll play well for himself...not for them (but I'm assuming thats not much different from how its always been )

Clouston will limit his ice time regardless, I believe, and Heatley will know his place on this team. The others will know it too.

That's where I would disagree. Clouston, unlike Heatley, is about team success. If he sees that Heatey is doing something to help the team win he'll use that asset as much as possible.

ddt wrote:

davetherave wrote:The Sharks have done some housecleaning (Roenick, Plihal, Goc, Grier, Erhoff, Lukowich--none of them key assets) and in doing so, sent a message to their current roster that jobs are to be earned.

Really? To me, this tells the big guys to keep underachieving, because only lower level guys will pay the price.

SpezDispenser wrote:Is it possible that Clouston was disgusted with the shape Heatley was in when he took over and told him slash cut his time back because of that?

That's one of those things that I could see leading to a trade demand.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
That was Fartsburgs philosophy too. Let's sit Shean Donovan after he busts his Donkey and scores a goal why don't we. That'll wake the other guys up!

marakh wrote:
Do you remember that commetn from Clouston when he arrived here? He said the guys were out of shape.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
That was Fartsburgs philosophy too. Let's sit Shean Donovan after he busts his Donkey and scores a goal why don't we. That'll wake the other guys up!

No offense to Farts, but he blew.

marakh wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Is it possible that Clouston was disgusted with the shape Heatley was in when he took over and told him slash cut his time back because of that?

That's one of those things that I could see leading to a trade demand.

Do you remember that commetn from Clouston when he arrived here? He said the guys were out of shape.

SensFan71 wrote:except Alfie right? should be one hell of a grueling training camp then if the guys didn't do the necessary work in the off season.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:except Alfie right? should be one hell of a grueling training camp then if the guys didn't do the necessary work in the off season.

True enough actually. Just don't tire them out completely, or this team will be finished in January on (they probably are anyway, but why make it a slam dunk).

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I think there are opportunities on the PK, in particular, to let the likes of Ruutu, Winchester and others to pick up the slack and keep the big-minute guys a little more fresh.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I think there are opportunities on the PK, in particular, to let the likes of Ruutu, Winchester and others to pick up the slack and keep the big-minute guys a little more fresh.

You're gonna have Dany Heatley pissing and moaning in your office if you do that.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I think there are opportunities on the PK, in particular, to let the likes of Ruutu, Winchester and others to pick up the slack and keep the big-minute guys a little more fresh.

You're gonna have Dany Heatley pissing and moaning in your office if you do that.

He better bring a mop and I won't hear him with Iron Maiden blaring from my fancy office radio.

davetherave wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

shabbs wrote:Weren't the rumours all about Wilson not letting Michalek be a part of ANY deal?

I've said this before, but it bears repeated:

If Wilson isn't willing to include at least one of Michalek or Clowe (I'm assuming Pavelski and Setoguchi are off limits), then there simply is no deal to be had with SJ. You have to give some to get some, and it's time for Wilson to step up if he wants to get anything done. He is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks we're going to give Heatley away for a handful of salary dumps.

Faced with the alternatives of possibly endangering the team's prospects for this season, or for-sure damaging the team's long-term outlook, I have no doubts about what direction BM will go. I'm guessing he would rather roll the dice, maintain Heatley, and take his chances in terms of whether the team will or will not perform and so cost him his job; rather than lose his job for sure because he gave Heatley away for nothing / burdens. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Rooney, I'm not sure Doug Wilson was ever a serious trading partner in the 'HeatleyStakes'.

The media loves to pump these rumours up, but who knows what discussions were had, and at what level?

The Sharks have done some housecleaning (Roenick, Plihal, Goc, Grier, Erhoff, Lukowich--none of them key assets) and in doing so, sent a message to their current roster that jobs are to be earned.

They have no cap room now to do a deal, and while DH would be a definite addition to the offense, Wilson may simply open with the cards he has.

Taking a glance at CapGeek, in fact, there really isn't any contending team that has the room to take on DH's contract.

(Not to say Mad Mike Gillis might not do something totally off the wall, which he has been known to do...)

So both sides in the Murray-Heatley Showdown sit tight, and do up their chin straps.

Ya gotta wonder though...how DH showing up at camp--presuming he doesn't get moved--will sit with his soon-to-be ex-teammates...and how that affects the club's chemistry.

rooneypoo wrote:

davetherave wrote:
The Sharks have done some housecleaning (Roenick, Plihal, Goc, Grier, Erhoff, Lukowich--none of them key assets) and in doing so, sent a message to their current roster that jobs are to be earned.

They have no cap room now to do a deal, and while DH would be a definite addition to the offense, Wilson may simply open with the cards he has.

Taking a glance at CapGeek, in fact, there really isn't any contending team that has the room to take on DH's contract.

(Not to say Mad Mike Gillis might not do something totally off the wall, which he has been known to do...)

So both sides in the Murray-Heatley Showdown sit tight, and do up their chin straps.

Ya gotta wonder though...how DH showing up at camp--presuming he doesn't get moved--will sit with his soon-to-be ex-teammates...and how that affects the club's chemistry.

This is only true if you assume the team we're trading with isn't sending us about equal salary back in return for Heatley.

Which I don't buy for a second.

Any team under the cap by $2 mil or more is in a position to accommodate Heatley, in either a dollars-for-dollars deal, or close to thereabouts. That is a fact, plain and simple.