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What Should Bryan Murray Do About Dany Heatley?
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436 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:13 pm
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I didn't see the part where Murray gave Spezza Heatley's 'A'
437 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:17 pm
SensFan71
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MurderOnIce wrote:ElliottRules wrote:Video clip of the Spezza interview is online at the Sens site.
I didn't see the part where Murray gave Spezza Heatley's 'A'
I can't imagine you will see that, Spezz is not ready for that yet, if it wasn't for the language issues, A-Train should be the other A on the team.
438 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:27 pm
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SensFan71 wrote:MurderOnIce wrote:ElliottRules wrote:Video clip of the Spezza interview is online at the Sens site.
I didn't see the part where Murray gave Spezza Heatley's 'A'
I can't imagine you will see that, Spezz is not ready for that yet, if it wasn't for the language issues, A-Train should be the other A on the team.
Mike Fisher?
439 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:29 pm
PKC
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jamvan wrote:The deal to send Dany Heatley to Edmonton is dead.
Unless the Edmonton Oilers are willing to increase what they're going to pay for the disgruntled Senators winger, Heatley won't be going to the Oilers anytime soon.
"It's different now," said Murray. "I don't know whether we will continue or not. During the day, I will talk to Steve Tambellini again. Very definitely it's not the same deal it was yesterday."
Heatley refused to approve a deal at midnight that would have sent him to the Oilers in exchange for Dustin Penner, Andrew Cogliano and Ladislav Smid.
Murray said he had been given permission by Heatley's camp to speak to Edmonton on the weekend.
"They told me the circumstances had changed and implied that I didn't have permission to speak to Edmonton," said Murray.
Murray said there were no good offers.
"If you call around the league you will find out there were many calls made and many options made available," said Murray. "There were not a lot of teams that were interested in making an offer. In a couple of cases the offers were not very good and in one case they were insulting."
Centre Jason Spezza spoke for the first time publicly and stated he just wants Heatley to make a decision.
"If he doesn't want to be here, it's important for him to move on and for the organization to be able to make a trade," said Spezza
Quite what I suspected to hear after the shenanigans Heatley and his agent pulled yesterday calling out Murray for "not trying hard enough to make other deals happen".
You've Diddle us on this one Dany, and if you think we're going to just give you away, you can go play hide and go Diddle yourself for the next 5 years and then sign wherever the Diddle you want after that.
440 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:38 pm
jamvan
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If Heatley doesn't decide to waie once Edmonton comes back with their last offer, he will remain a Sen. It's going to cast a dark cloud over teh team right from the start.
What he also has done, is handcuffed Murray from signing anyone significant.
By the way Dany, Murray did his job full well when he signed you to that contract you are not obliging to!
I suppose the Sens may need a new media slogan too now; as "A Force United" doesn't seem fit. Just send the bill to: Attention: Dany Heatley...he can pay for that as well.
I'm getting a nameplate for the Heatley jersey I have, the new name will read: AR$HOLE
What he also has done, is handcuffed Murray from signing anyone significant.
By the way Dany, Murray did his job full well when he signed you to that contract you are not obliging to!
I suppose the Sens may need a new media slogan too now; as "A Force United" doesn't seem fit. Just send the bill to: Attention: Dany Heatley...he can pay for that as well.
I'm getting a nameplate for the Heatley jersey I have, the new name will read: AR$HOLE
441 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:45 pm
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/07/02/murray_heatley/
Sens may have grounds for a grievance. I wonder if Murray would work out 2 different types of deals one that requires more coming to Ottawa if they pay the 4m or 1 that has less coming back if the other team repays the 4m.
Sens may have grounds for a grievance. I wonder if Murray would work out 2 different types of deals one that requires more coming to Ottawa if they pay the 4m or 1 that has less coming back if the other team repays the 4m.
442 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:52 pm
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Phoenix30 wrote:http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/07/02/murray_heatley/
Sens may have grounds for a grievance. I wonder if Murray would work out 2 different types of deals one that requires more coming to Ottawa if they pay the 4m or 1 that has less coming back if the other team repays the 4m.
I would be happy if there was one decent deal left on the table, Heatley is really trying to screw this team big time, I really hope he does get on an eastern team, I want our big guys to hit this guy hard and make him pay for years to come.
443 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:40 pm
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SensFan71 wrote:Phoenix30 wrote:http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/07/02/murray_heatley/
Sens may have grounds for a grievance. I wonder if Murray would work out 2 different types of deals one that requires more coming to Ottawa if they pay the 4m or 1 that has less coming back if the other team repays the 4m.
I would be happy if there was one decent deal left on the table, Heatley is really trying to screw this team big time, I really hope he does get on an eastern team, I want our big guys to hit this guy hard and make him pay for years to come.
Send him to Edmonton so he can enjoy Phaneuf, Bouwmeester, Regehr, Burns, Bieksa and company 6 times a year.
444 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:41 pm
PTFlea
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I still think a deal with SJ can be had. I think the pieces are there, I think both teams want this kind of shake up. It seems pretty logical.
445 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:46 pm
PKC
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SpezDispenser wrote:I still think a deal with SJ can be had. I think the pieces are there, I think both teams want this kind of shake up. It seems pretty logical.
Then why hasn't it happened yet?
I think the pieces coming back from San Jose might not be the ones Ottawa is looking for.
446 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:48 pm
PKC
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Although something could potentially be worked out a la Heatley + Auld for Marleau + Cheechoo. Would give the Sharks a top line winger and a great backup for Nabokov, would give the Sens a solid second line center and another top 6 forward. We'd be taking on salary, so it might help entice San Jose to do the deal.
Question is: do both sides want this kind of deal to happen?
Question is: do both sides want this kind of deal to happen?
447 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:04 pm
davetherave
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ESPN columnist/HNIC Hot Stove panelist Pierre Lebrun surveys out the landscape in the aftermath of Dany Heatley's rejection of the Oilers deal...and gives us views from several sides of the story, including Heatley's agent JP Barry.
ONLY ONE WORD FOR HEATLEY DRAMA: MESS
Pierre Lebrun, ESPN.com/July 2, 2009
The Dany Heatley soap opera is far from over. But it's clear as mud as to what will happen next.
The Ottawa Senators have said all along they didn't want to trade Heatley after having to pay out his $4 million bonus, which they did Wednesday night when the clock struck midnight and a trade with the Edmonton Oilers never went through. Heatley still wants a trade to a location he desires. The Senators surely don't want a player on their team in September who doesn't want to be there. But the collective bargaining agreement doesn't allow for another team to simply pay back the July 1 bonus.
Urgh. What a mess.
"I think they believed there were a number of [trade] offers out there. There weren't," Senators GM Bryan Murray told ESPN.com on Thursday after the dust had cleared from a strange 48 hours.
Murray completed a deal with Oilers GM Steve Tambellini on Tuesday night that would have seen forwards Dustin Penner and Andrew Cogliano and defenseman Ladislav Smid go to Ottawa. All the deal needed was Heatley's waiving of his no-movement clause. It didn't happen Tuesday night, and it didn't happen Wednesday night. And then the bonus was paid by the Senators.
"Edmonton was the one offer that was somewhat legitimate," Murray said from Ottawa. "And they [the Heatley camp] didn't accept it, and certainly after telling me that I could talk to Edmonton. So I've said before and I'll say it again, in all likelihood, Dany will be a member of the Ottawa Senators. I don't know any other situation that may pop up. Maybe there will be, but that's my thinking today."
As is always the case in these matters, both sides have a different view of what transpired. Heatley's agent, J.P. Barry, strongly opposed the notion that the Oilers' package was the only good deal on the table.
"Bryan insists that he never really had any other options, which I completely disagree with," Barry told ESPN.com on Thursday from Stockholm, where he went to broker the Sedin twins' deals. "I believe there were several potential options. I think it was clearly their intent to trade him to Edmonton and only Edmonton. That was the approach they took.
"I specifically told him two days ago, long before the trade happened, 'Do not trade him to Edmonton until you have other options.' And he turned around and consummated the trade despite my request. The result of which is that I get a phone call from a guy that I really respect in Steve Tambellini, who was excited, and I had to inform him what happened.
"I think it was completely mishandled by [Murray]. It was a pressure tactic. He loaded up the gun and put the gun against our heads."
Barry said the New York Rangers, a team that was on Heatley's list of desired destinations, had a good offer on the table.
"Based on my understanding of the discussions that took place with the Rangers, the options the Rangers provided were every bit as good, or better, than the options provided by Edmonton," Barry said. "But I'm sure Bryan has a different opinion of that."
A Rangers source said Thursday the team did make "a competitive offer," although a Senators source insists it wasn't as good as Edmonton's three-player package, saying, "We couldn't even get a 13-goal scorer in the deal."
The Rangers moved on and signed Marian Gaborik. But does that still definitely rule them out of the Heatley talks? One industry source said Thursday it was his belief that the Rangers wanted to add two high-impact players, and so far Gaborik has been the only one. Does that leave the door open for Heatley? Hard to tell.
So now what?
The Heatley camp still wants the Senators to seek a trade.
"We would hope so," Barry said. "Just like there was a trade market before the bonus, there may be an even bigger trade market and very likely a better hockey deal after the bonus."
That's probably true, given that any team now picking up Heatley will have to pay him only $4 million in salary for next season after the Sens picked up the $4 million bonus. That's not something Senators owner Eugene Melnyk is terribly happy about and why this thing is muddied at best. You think the Sens' owner wants to move Heatley now after paying him $14 million ($10 million in salary last season) for 10 months of service on the new contract? With the bonus out of the way, Heatley has $31 million and five years left on his deal. We're pretty sure many a team would want to take on a two-time 50-goal scorer for an average of $6.2 million a year.
How can Ottawa try to recoup the bonus? The only way to do it under the CBA is to have the other team in question pick up extra salaries off the Sens' roster, players Murray may deem expendable. Easier said than done.
"The fact that we don't have any other extra players, there's not much of that opportunity," Murray said.
In the meantime, the Senators will win the public relations war outright in a landslide. Rich athlete asks for a trade, gets it, then turns it down. Doesn't get any easier than that in the PR battle.
But Barry explained it wasn't that simple.
"We advised Bryan continually that Dany requires more than one option [team] to make a decision and, as of last night, we still only had one option, so he still wasn't able to make a decision, given that there still was only one option in front of him," Barry said.
"We have a right to ask for a trade, and they have a right not to trade him. People seem to think that clubs are the only ones who have rights. What about players' rights?"
Point taken. Keep in mind that Heatley has a no-movement clause, a powerful tool for players in the CBA. It means they can't be sent to the minors or placed on waivers, or as one GM once told us, "You can't say boo to them." In other words, it is Heatley's negotiated right through the no-movement clause to have a strong say in where he gets traded.
But in the meantime, the Sens are paying the price. Even though Murray says he knew Heatley was leaning toward saying no to the Edmonton trade, the Sens' GM sat there on July 1 unable to really react on the first day of free agency.
"What it did do is basically tie my hands yesterday," Murray said. "There were a number of other scenarios that might have taken place, but if I was getting the Edmonton players, I didn't have to do it, or at least pay the price that a couple of guys got. If I thought otherwise, I could have pushed the envelope a bit more. We were in a couple of scenarios, but once it got to a certain level, I dropped out, simply because I was thinking I was adding three players to my roster."
One situation was the bidding on free-agent star Mike Cammalleri, in which Ottawa and Toronto battled Montreal and the Habs won out.
"We were interested in him, and as I said, if we would have known, I mean, I think I suspected [Heatley would say no], but until you know for sure, you don't want to get strung up with extra contracts," Murray said. "So it had an effect on what we did yesterday, or didn't do would be more like it."
So, everyone woke up unhappy Thursday:
• Heatley, because he was still a Senator and didn't like the way he was pressured into one single trade option;
• Barry, because his star client has been battered like a mule in the Ottawa market, and he didn't like the way the Senators handled the whole thing;
• Murray, because he was forced with a trade request from a month ago that he didn't like but still made a trade, only to have it rejected by the player;
• Melnyk, because he has paid a $4 million bonus to a player who wants out;
• The Senators' media, because they'll have their summers ruined by this ongoing saga;
• Senators fans, because they were robbed of a decent trade with Edmonton;
• Tambellini, because he made a good trade for a 50-goal scorer, but it fell through, and now he has to explain to his three players that he still likes them, even though he tried to trade them;
• And Oilers fans, because, once again, a high-profile player has decided their town isn't good enough for him.
Yikes. … Somebody get me an aspirin.
Pierre LeBrun covers the NHL for ESPN.com.
ONLY ONE WORD FOR HEATLEY DRAMA: MESS
Pierre Lebrun, ESPN.com/July 2, 2009
The Dany Heatley soap opera is far from over. But it's clear as mud as to what will happen next.
The Ottawa Senators have said all along they didn't want to trade Heatley after having to pay out his $4 million bonus, which they did Wednesday night when the clock struck midnight and a trade with the Edmonton Oilers never went through. Heatley still wants a trade to a location he desires. The Senators surely don't want a player on their team in September who doesn't want to be there. But the collective bargaining agreement doesn't allow for another team to simply pay back the July 1 bonus.
Urgh. What a mess.
"I think they believed there were a number of [trade] offers out there. There weren't," Senators GM Bryan Murray told ESPN.com on Thursday after the dust had cleared from a strange 48 hours.
Murray completed a deal with Oilers GM Steve Tambellini on Tuesday night that would have seen forwards Dustin Penner and Andrew Cogliano and defenseman Ladislav Smid go to Ottawa. All the deal needed was Heatley's waiving of his no-movement clause. It didn't happen Tuesday night, and it didn't happen Wednesday night. And then the bonus was paid by the Senators.
"Edmonton was the one offer that was somewhat legitimate," Murray said from Ottawa. "And they [the Heatley camp] didn't accept it, and certainly after telling me that I could talk to Edmonton. So I've said before and I'll say it again, in all likelihood, Dany will be a member of the Ottawa Senators. I don't know any other situation that may pop up. Maybe there will be, but that's my thinking today."
As is always the case in these matters, both sides have a different view of what transpired. Heatley's agent, J.P. Barry, strongly opposed the notion that the Oilers' package was the only good deal on the table.
"Bryan insists that he never really had any other options, which I completely disagree with," Barry told ESPN.com on Thursday from Stockholm, where he went to broker the Sedin twins' deals. "I believe there were several potential options. I think it was clearly their intent to trade him to Edmonton and only Edmonton. That was the approach they took.
"I specifically told him two days ago, long before the trade happened, 'Do not trade him to Edmonton until you have other options.' And he turned around and consummated the trade despite my request. The result of which is that I get a phone call from a guy that I really respect in Steve Tambellini, who was excited, and I had to inform him what happened.
"I think it was completely mishandled by [Murray]. It was a pressure tactic. He loaded up the gun and put the gun against our heads."
Barry said the New York Rangers, a team that was on Heatley's list of desired destinations, had a good offer on the table.
"Based on my understanding of the discussions that took place with the Rangers, the options the Rangers provided were every bit as good, or better, than the options provided by Edmonton," Barry said. "But I'm sure Bryan has a different opinion of that."
A Rangers source said Thursday the team did make "a competitive offer," although a Senators source insists it wasn't as good as Edmonton's three-player package, saying, "We couldn't even get a 13-goal scorer in the deal."
The Rangers moved on and signed Marian Gaborik. But does that still definitely rule them out of the Heatley talks? One industry source said Thursday it was his belief that the Rangers wanted to add two high-impact players, and so far Gaborik has been the only one. Does that leave the door open for Heatley? Hard to tell.
So now what?
The Heatley camp still wants the Senators to seek a trade.
"We would hope so," Barry said. "Just like there was a trade market before the bonus, there may be an even bigger trade market and very likely a better hockey deal after the bonus."
That's probably true, given that any team now picking up Heatley will have to pay him only $4 million in salary for next season after the Sens picked up the $4 million bonus. That's not something Senators owner Eugene Melnyk is terribly happy about and why this thing is muddied at best. You think the Sens' owner wants to move Heatley now after paying him $14 million ($10 million in salary last season) for 10 months of service on the new contract? With the bonus out of the way, Heatley has $31 million and five years left on his deal. We're pretty sure many a team would want to take on a two-time 50-goal scorer for an average of $6.2 million a year.
How can Ottawa try to recoup the bonus? The only way to do it under the CBA is to have the other team in question pick up extra salaries off the Sens' roster, players Murray may deem expendable. Easier said than done.
"The fact that we don't have any other extra players, there's not much of that opportunity," Murray said.
In the meantime, the Senators will win the public relations war outright in a landslide. Rich athlete asks for a trade, gets it, then turns it down. Doesn't get any easier than that in the PR battle.
But Barry explained it wasn't that simple.
"We advised Bryan continually that Dany requires more than one option [team] to make a decision and, as of last night, we still only had one option, so he still wasn't able to make a decision, given that there still was only one option in front of him," Barry said.
"We have a right to ask for a trade, and they have a right not to trade him. People seem to think that clubs are the only ones who have rights. What about players' rights?"
Point taken. Keep in mind that Heatley has a no-movement clause, a powerful tool for players in the CBA. It means they can't be sent to the minors or placed on waivers, or as one GM once told us, "You can't say boo to them." In other words, it is Heatley's negotiated right through the no-movement clause to have a strong say in where he gets traded.
But in the meantime, the Sens are paying the price. Even though Murray says he knew Heatley was leaning toward saying no to the Edmonton trade, the Sens' GM sat there on July 1 unable to really react on the first day of free agency.
"What it did do is basically tie my hands yesterday," Murray said. "There were a number of other scenarios that might have taken place, but if I was getting the Edmonton players, I didn't have to do it, or at least pay the price that a couple of guys got. If I thought otherwise, I could have pushed the envelope a bit more. We were in a couple of scenarios, but once it got to a certain level, I dropped out, simply because I was thinking I was adding three players to my roster."
One situation was the bidding on free-agent star Mike Cammalleri, in which Ottawa and Toronto battled Montreal and the Habs won out.
"We were interested in him, and as I said, if we would have known, I mean, I think I suspected [Heatley would say no], but until you know for sure, you don't want to get strung up with extra contracts," Murray said. "So it had an effect on what we did yesterday, or didn't do would be more like it."
So, everyone woke up unhappy Thursday:
• Heatley, because he was still a Senator and didn't like the way he was pressured into one single trade option;
• Barry, because his star client has been battered like a mule in the Ottawa market, and he didn't like the way the Senators handled the whole thing;
• Murray, because he was forced with a trade request from a month ago that he didn't like but still made a trade, only to have it rejected by the player;
• Melnyk, because he has paid a $4 million bonus to a player who wants out;
• The Senators' media, because they'll have their summers ruined by this ongoing saga;
• Senators fans, because they were robbed of a decent trade with Edmonton;
• Tambellini, because he made a good trade for a 50-goal scorer, but it fell through, and now he has to explain to his three players that he still likes them, even though he tried to trade them;
• And Oilers fans, because, once again, a high-profile player has decided their town isn't good enough for him.
Yikes. … Somebody get me an aspirin.
Pierre LeBrun covers the NHL for ESPN.com.
448 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:21 pm
PTFlea
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I don't think they want Marleau, but they may have to live with him.
449 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:22 pm
asq2
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Pierre Lebrun, via davetherave, wrote:In other words, it is Heatley's negotiated right through the no-movement clause to have a strong say in where he gets traded.
True. But does he have the right to say if he is traded?
450 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:23 pm
asq2
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SpezDispenser wrote:I still think a deal with SJ can be had. I think the pieces are there, I think both teams want this kind of shake up. It seems pretty logical.
Want to know what the alleged offer was? Cheechoo + Ehrhoff. :^^^^:
In my estimation, that's the "insulting" one Murray was referring to.
451 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:25 pm
Sens4thecup
Rookie
If a player has negotiated a no-trade NMC and later demands a trade out of that location, the no-trade-NMC should be nullified. I guess that I'm preaching to the choir now. Diddle I hate Heatley. Praise Alfie! (And Spezza!)
452 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:46 pm
Acrobat
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ElliottRules wrote:Centre Jason Spezza spoke for the first time publicly and stated he just wants Heatley to make a decision.
"If he doesn't want to be here, it's important for him to move on
and for the organization to be able to make a trade," said Spezza.
This is as good as him saying "GTFO"
Looks like he may have matured a bit (or he was coached to say that)
453 Re: Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First? Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:48 pm
davetherave
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asq2 wrote:Pierre Lebrun, via davetherave, wrote:In other words, it is Heatley's negotiated right through the no-movement clause to have a strong say in where he gets traded.
True. But does he have the right to say if he is traded?
Well, that's why NTCs are dangerous for management. You give a player an NTC, you're saying you're committing to them...
Of course, in the best of all worlds, that committment is mutual.
IMHO Heatley may have insisted on the NTC/NMC, because he remembered how Melynk and Muckler signed Hossa and then turned around and traded Marian to Atlanta.
I also have a feeling Heatley asked to be traded more than a few months ago...his play last season looked like that of a player who wanted to be somewhere else.
So who knows what went on behind the scenes...
But any way you look at it, this is a nasty piece of business.
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