Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First?

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Is his contract any more one-way(er)?

:^^^^:

cas wrote:

davetherave wrote:

cas wrote:Imo chemistry will be an issue for like 2 weeks...

...and we shall presumedly see how in about two weeks, eh...

I meant two weeks into the regular season Two weeks from now, Heatley will be getting heckled in the parking lot of SBP...by Nick Foligno and Chris Neil...

Seriously though, you remember those last ten games last season? Not fun to watch...and especially not the last one where DH was skating around waving his stick in the air, looking for that 40th goal...and being ignored...

You don't want that kind of disconnect happening again this year.

One word: Olympics.

davetherave wrote:

cas wrote:

davetherave wrote:

cas wrote:Imo chemistry will be an issue for like 2 weeks...

...and we shall presumedly see how in about two weeks, eh...

I meant two weeks into the regular season Two weeks from now, Heatley will be getting heckled in the parking lot of SBP...by Nick Foligno and Chris Neil...

Seriously though, you remember those last ten games last season? Not fun to watch...and especially not the last one where DH was skating around waving his stick in the air, looking for that 40th goal...and being ignored...

You don't want that kind of disconnect happening again this year.

Ignored by whom? It seemed to me like all the players were focussing on was getting Heatley that 40th goal.

cas wrote:One word: Olympics.

Hmmm....not so sure about that one.

Anyway, no sense in being pessimistic.

Just curious to see what happens.

asq2 wrote:

davetherave wrote:

cas wrote:

davetherave wrote:

cas wrote:Imo chemistry will be an issue for like 2 weeks...

...and we shall presumedly see how in about two weeks, eh...

I meant two weeks into the regular season Two weeks from now, Heatley will be getting heckled in the parking lot of SBP...by Nick Foligno and Chris Neil...

Seriously though, you remember those last ten games last season? Not fun to watch...and especially not the last one where DH was skating around waving his stick in the air, looking for that 40th goal...and being ignored...

You don't want that kind of disconnect happening again this year.

Ignored by whom? It seemed to me like all the players were focussing on was getting Heatley that 40th goal.

I guess one could interpret that game in different ways...in any case, all in the past now.

davetherave wrote:

cas wrote:One word: Olympics.

Hmmm....not so sure about that one.

Anyway, no sense in being pessimistic.

Just curious to see what happens.

Here's the logic:

Heatley wants the Olympics. He will play well.
Heatley playing well means the Sens will be winning.
Other players want to win. They will accept Heatley regardless of his trade request.

Bah...that game was so sad. Heatley floating around with his stick in the air...Diddle off man...you don't deserve the 40th.

cas wrote:
Here's the logic:

Heatley wants the Olympics. He will play well.
Heatley playing well means the Sens will be winning.
Other players want to win. They will accept Heatley regardless of his trade request.

You can add to that.

Heatley wants the Olympics. He will play well.
Healtey wants out of Ottawa. He will play well.
Heatley playing well means the Sens will be winning.
Other players want to win. They will accept Heatley regardless of his trade request.

We may all hate his rotten guts right now, but this still might be the best thing to happen, dissension or not.

cas wrote:

davetherave wrote:

cas wrote:One word: Olympics.

Hmmm....not so sure about that one.

Anyway, no sense in being pessimistic.

Just curious to see what happens.

Here's the logic:

Heatley wants the Olympics. He will play well.
Heatley playing well means the Sens will be winning.
Other players want to win. They will accept Heatley regardless of his trade request.

I agree with the logic. If playing well doesn't involve any form of hard work, I think Clouston will trim back his time though.

Is it possible that Clouston was disgusted with the shape Heatley was in when he took over and told him slash cut his time back because of that?

That's one of those things that I could see leading to a trade demand.

davetherave wrote:The Sharks have done some housecleaning (Roenick, Plihal, Goc, Grier, Erhoff, Lukowich--none of them key assets) and in doing so, sent a message to their current roster that jobs are to be earned.

Really? To me, this tells the big guys to keep underachieving, because only lower level guys will pay the price.

SpezDispenser wrote:Is it possible that Clouston was disgusted with the shape Heatley was in when he took over and told him slash cut his time back because of that?

That's one of those things that I could see leading to a trade demand.

well that is a hell of a lot better than the whole messing around with other teammate's girls rumours that some people on other sites have been pushing as the cause.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

cas wrote:

davetherave wrote:

cas wrote:One word: Olympics.

Hmmm....not so sure about that one.

Anyway, no sense in being pessimistic.

Just curious to see what happens.

Here's the logic:

Heatley wants the Olympics. He will play well.
Heatley playing well means the Sens will be winning.
Other players want to win. They will accept Heatley regardless of his trade request.

I agree with the logic. If playing well doesn't involve any form of hard work, I think Clouston will trim back his time though.

This is where it gets interesting. I expect there's a limit to how committed DH will be for this team. He'll play well for himself...not for them (but I'm assuming thats not much different from how its always been )

Clouston will limit his ice time regardless, I believe, and Heatley will know his place on this team. The others will know it too.

The key is that he helps the team win when he's on the ice. I don't expect any diving last minute blocks from him, but I fully expect to see a solid 2-way game right up until January. After that, its a crapshoot.

cas wrote:This is where it gets interesting. I expect there's a limit to how committed DH will be for this team. He'll play well for himself...not for them (but I'm assuming thats not much different from how its always been )

Clouston will limit his ice time regardless, I believe, and Heatley will know his place on this team. The others will know it too.

That's where I would disagree. Clouston, unlike Heatley, is about team success. If he sees that Heatey is doing something to help the team win he'll use that asset as much as possible.

SensFan71 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Is it possible that Clouston was disgusted with the shape Heatley was in when he took over and told him slash cut his time back because of that?

That's one of those things that I could see leading to a trade demand.

well that is a hell of a lot better than the whole messing around with other teammate's girls rumours that some people on other sites have been pushing as the cause.

Ya those rumours were getting ridiculously stupid

ddt wrote:

davetherave wrote:The Sharks have done some housecleaning (Roenick, Plihal, Goc, Grier, Erhoff, Lukowich--none of them key assets) and in doing so, sent a message to their current roster that jobs are to be earned.

Really? To me, this tells the big guys to keep underachieving, because only lower level guys will pay the price.

Oh wow, I missed that the first time, but I agree ddt. Doesn't exactly scream accountability.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

cas wrote:This is where it gets interesting. I expect there's a limit to how committed DH will be for this team. He'll play well for himself...not for them (but I'm assuming thats not much different from how its always been )

Clouston will limit his ice time regardless, I believe, and Heatley will know his place on this team. The others will know it too.

That's where I would disagree. Clouston, unlike Heatley, is about team success. If he sees that Heatey is doing something to help the team win he'll use that asset as much as possible.

Fair enough. I was thinking along the same lines of doing whats best for the team and Heatley's ice time being limited for that very reason :^^^^:

(and by "limited" I mean 18.5-19 minutes a night)