Upcoming Draft Talk

BassD>thanks. Great stuff.

Bryan Murray's draft record is pretty damn good looking at those numbers. I wish they listed by round of draft how many players went on to play in the NHL/200+ games...would be a good way to gauge how accurate his first round picks are and how he's done in the latter stages of the draft as well.

Fantastic stuff though...thanks for posting Bass.

marakh wrote:Ramadan is in July/August, so the only games it would affect is street hockey

Good thing, then, that Redden is not a Muslim. That would seriously cut into his street hockey career.

The true value of a GM is not the draft record, but the team. Team scouting is responsible for finding gems; the GM is responsible for arranging those gems into a crown -- or a ring. Holland has done the best job at that.

wprager wrote:The true value of a GM is not the draft record, but the team. Team scouting is responsible for finding gems; the GM is responsible for arranging those gems into a crown -- or a ring. Holland has done the best job at that.

I'd like to see them arranged in the shape of a CUP.

rooneypoo wrote:The Sens homepage is starting to put up detailed profiles of / interviews with the players we stand to pick with our 9th overall selection. So far:

Kadri: http://senators.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=425470&page=NewsPage&service=page

Cowen: http://senators.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=425338&page=NewsPage&service=page

Gotta say, after all I've read on Kadri in the last 24 hours, I'm starting to see why he's inching his way up the draft.

I haven't been a huge fan of his game, but I have to say that he interviews really well... The depth of his character seems to shine through.

I know a lot of Muslims and I can't honestly say I've met one who adheres strictly to all of their religious requirements. If thats true about him, then it says way more than his game ever could.

Right now, I'm 50-50 on him: I'm not exactly clamouring after him, but I could deal with him being our #1 pick.

PKC wrote:Bryan Murray's draft record is pretty damn good looking at those numbers. I wish they listed by round of draft how many players went on to play in the NHL/200+ games...would be a good way to gauge how accurate his first round picks are and how he's done in the latter stages of the draft as well.

Fantastic stuff though...thanks for posting Bass.

We're in luck!!! I'm really bored right now... I should be looking for a sublet in Toronto for the summer, but instead, I'm going to do this. Yay procrastination!

What's interesting though is that apparently they don't have all of Murray's GM experience, as he was also GM of Detroit from 90-94. I'm going to go do some research and get back to you on this... Check back later...

I'd be really excited with Kadri if we got him. Him and Foligno could be a second line duo for the next decade.

wprager wrote:

marakh wrote:Ramadan is in July/August, so the only games it would affect is street hockey

Good thing, then, that Redden is not a Muslim. That would seriously cut into his street hockey career.

Ramadan was in September last year. I was a frosh leader and we had muslims dropping of dehydration constantly. They couldn't eat or drink during the day (except for the extreme cases). I can see how it would be a factor.

rooneypoo wrote:The Sens homepage is starting to put up detailed profiles of / interviews with the players we stand to pick with our 9th overall selection. So far:

Kadri: http://senators.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=425470&page=NewsPage&service=page

Cowen: http://senators.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=425338&page=NewsPage&service=page

Gotta say, after all I've read on Kadri in the last 24 hours, I'm starting to see why he's inching his way up the draft.

Good lord, I'm nervous as Dung about Kadri. It's good to hear that people are starting to come around on him.

Bryan Murray's Draft record: (only going to include relevant players who have played over 200 games)

Round.Pick - Player - Games - Points

Detroit:
1990:
1.3 - Keith Primeau - 909 - 619
3.45 - Slava Kozlov - 1127 - 827
7.129 - Jason York - 727 - 229

1991:
1.10 - Martin Lapointe - 991 - 381
2.32 - Jamie Pushor - 521 - 60
3.54 - Chris Osgood - 710 - 19 career points
4.76 - Mike Knuble - 820 - 429

1992:
2.46 - Darren McCarty - 758 - 228
10.238 - Dan McGillis - 634 - 238

1993:
1.22 - Anders Eriksson - 552 - 171

1994 (Murray fired by Red Wings before draft, and hired by Panthers after draft)

Florida
1995:
1.10 - Radek Dvorak - 976 - 502
4.88 - Daniel Tjarnqvist - 352 - 90
7.166 - Peter Worrell - 391 - 46 (1554 PIM)
8.192 - Filip Kuba - 602 - 247

1996
1.20 - Marcus Nilsson - 521 - 168
3.65 - Oleg Kvasha - 493 - 217

1997
2.47 - Kristian Huselius - 547 - 365
4.95 - Ivan Novoselstev - 234 - 75

1998
3.61 - Joe DiPenta - 174 - 23 (only included him because he won a cup with Anaheim)
3.63 - Lance Ward - 209 - 16
5.117 - Jaroslav Spacek - 701 - 303

1999
2.40 - Alex Auld - 183 - 4 (only included b/c he's on the Sens)
3.70 - Niklas Hagman - 546 - 207

2000
No one makes the cut.

Fired from Florida in December, apparently, for refusing to fire his brother, then coach, Terry Murray.

Anaheim (Hired as GM, May 2nd, 2002)
2002
1.7 - Joffrey Lupul - 372 - 211

2003:
1.19 - Ryan Getzlaf - 297 - 270
1.28 - Corey Perry - 286 - 195
8.250 - Shane O'Brien - 234 - 47

Ottawa (Bryan Murray hired June 17, 2007, 5 days before the draft)
Obviously, no one has played 200 games yet.

Thus the breakdown per round for players who have played in 200 games ore more:

Round # = # picks, 200+ games ... of ... Total picks BM had that round

Round 1 = 8 ... of ... 11
Round 2 = 3 ... of ... 9
Round 3 = 5 ... of ... 18
Round 4 = 3 ... of ... 15
Round 5 = 1 ... of ... 9
Round 6 = 0 ... of ... 10
Round 7 = 2 ... of ... 10
Round 8 = 2 ... of ... 12
Round 9 = 0 ... of ... 11
Round 10 = 1 ... of ... 4
Round 11 = 0 ... of ... 4
Round 12 = 0 ... of ... 2

All rounds = 25 ... of ... 115

Conclusion: Draw your own... But it appears the Hockey News was a little off...

He drafted a lot of guys who played a lot of NHL games and won a lot of Stanley Cups.

EDIT: After further review of his draft record, I'm very excited to say the least. His success rate in the first two rounds gives us much hope considering we could potentially end up with 4 draft picks this year, at the very least 3.

He certainly does draft winners...

And his other strength, at least in my opinion, is in trades... Here is a list by team according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Murray_(ice_hockey)

Detroit

• November 27, 1990: Traded Lee Norwood to the New Jersey Devils for Paul Ysebaert.
  
• February 4, 1991: Acquired Brad Marsh from the Toronto Maple Leafs for Detroit's eighth round pick (Robb McIntyre) in 1991 Entry Draft.
  
• February 20, 1991: Traded Doug Houda to the Hartford Whalers for Doug Crossman.
  
• March 5, 1991: Acquired Allan Bester from the Toronto Maple Leafs for Detroit's sixth round pick in 1991 Entry Draft.
  
• March 5, 1991: Traded Joey Kocur and Per Djoos to the New York Rangers for Kevin Miller, Jim Cummins and Dennis Vial.
  
• October 18, 1991: Traded Rick Zombo to the St. Louis Blues for Vincent Riendeau.
  
• December 18, 1991: Traded Daniel Shank to the Hartford Whalers for Chris Tancill
  
• March 10, 1992: Traded Johan Garpenlov to the San Jose Sharks for Bob McGill and a 1992 8th round draft choice.
  
• December 26, 1991: Acquired Greg Millen from the New York Rangers for future considerations.
  
• June 22, 1992: Traded Doug Crossman and Dennis Vial to the Quebec Nordiques for cash considerations.
  
• January 29, 1993: Traded Jimmy Carson, Gary Shuchuk and Marc Potvin to the Los Angeles Kings for Paul Coffey, Sylvain Couturier and Jim Hiller.
  
• March 22, 1993: Acquired Steve Konroyd from the Hartford Whalers for a sixth round draft choice in the 1993 NHL Entry Draft.
  
• January 17, 1994: Traded Vincent Riendeau to the Boston Bruins for a 1995 conditional draft pick.
  
• March 8, 1994: Traded Tim Cheveldae and Dallas Drake to the Winnipeg Jets for Bob Essensa and Sergei Bautin.
  
• March 21, 1994: Traded Steve Konroyd traded to the Ottawa Senators for Daniel Berthiaume.
  

Florida

• February 28, 1996: Acquired Ray Sheppard from the San Jose Sharks for future considerations
  
• March 15, 1996: Claimed Martin Straka off waivers from the New York Islanders.
  
• March 20, 1996: Traded Jesse Belanger to the Vancouver Canucks for Vancouver's third round pick in 1996 Entry Draft and future considerations.
  
• November 19, 1996: Traded Stu Barnes and Jason Woolley to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Chris Wells.
  
• March 18, 1997: Acquired Kirk Muller from the Toronto Maple Leafs for Jason Podollan.
  
• January 16, 1998: Traded Mark Fitzpatrick and Jody Hull to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Jeff Norton and Dino Ciccarelli.
  
• March 24, 1998: Traded Tom Fitzgerald to the Colorado Avalanche for the rights of Mark Parrish and Anaheim’s third round pick in 1998 Entry Draft (previously acquired).
  
• March 24, 1998: Acquired Kirk McLean from the Carolina Hurricanes for Ray Sheppard.
  
• November 11, 1998: Traded Jeff Norton to the San Jose Sharks for Alex Hicks and round 5 pick in the 1999 draft (Adam Johnson)
  
• January 17, 1999: Acquired Pavel Bure, Bret Hedican, Brad Ference and Vancouver's 3rd round draft choice (Robert Fried) in 2000, from the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for Ed Jovanovski, Dave Gagner, Mike Brown, Kevin Weekes and Florida's 1st round draft choice (Nathan Smith) in 2000
  
• March 14, 2000: Traded Ryan Johnson and Dwayne Hay to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Mike Sillinger.
  
• June 24, 2000: Traded Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha to the New York Islanders for Olli Jokinen and Roberto Luongo.
  

Anaheim

• July 3, 2002: Traded Jeff Friesen, Oleg Tverdovsky and Maxim Balmochnykh to the New Jersey Devils for Petr Sykora, Mike Commodore, Jean-François Damphousse and Igor Pohanka.
  
• January 30, 2003: Traded Pavel Trnka, Matt Cullen and Anaheim's 2003 4th round draft choice to the Florida Panthers in exchange for Sandis Ozolinsh and Lance Ward.
  
• March 11, 2003: Traded Mike Commodore and Jean-François Damphousse to the Calgary Flames for Rob Niedermayer.
  
• March 11, 2003: Acquired Steve Thomas from the Chicago Blackhawks for a 2003 fifth round draft pick (Alexei Ivanov).
  
• January 17, 2004 : Traded Todd Reirden to the Phoenix Coyotes for future considerations.
  
• February 4, 2004: Traded Todd Simpson to the Ottawa Senators for Petr Schastlivy.
  
• February 21, 2004: Traded Kurt Sauer and a 2005 4th round pick to the Colorado Avalanche for Martin Skoula.
  

Ottawa

• July 17, 2007 - Traded Peter Schaefer to the Boston Bruins in exchange for Shean Donovan
  
• February 11, 2008 - Traded Joe Corvo and Patrick Eaves to the Carolina Hurricanes for Mike Commodore and Cory Stillman.
  
• February 26, 2008 - Traded a sixth-round draft pick in 2008 (#169, Ben Smith) to the Chicago Blackhawks for Martin Lapointe
  
• August 29, 2008 - Traded Andrej Meszaros to the Tampa Bay Lightning in exchange for Filip Kuba, Alexandre Picard and San Jose's first-round draft pick (previously acquired) in 2009.^{[1] [2]}
  
• September 2, 2008 - Traded Lawrence Nycholat to the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for Ryan Shannon
  
• February 20, 2009 - Traded Dean McAmmond and San Jose's first-round draft pick to the New York Islanders in exchange for Mike Comrie and Chris Campoli
  

June 24, 2000: Traded Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha to the New York Islanders for Olli Jokinen and Roberto Luongo.

It's bloody hilarious every time I see it.

Bass Destruction wrote:He certainly does draft winners...

Bryan Murray is the Dung.

PKC wrote:June 24, 2000: Traded Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha to the New York Islanders for Olli Jokinen and Roberto Luongo.

It's bloody hilarious every time I see it.

Well, to be balanced (if not fair) he also traded for Petr Schastlivy.

Man, he really does like to reaquire guys he drafted. Come on down Cory Perry !!!!

hemlock wrote:I'm not looking to start a religious debate here, but I've heard that Kadri is a strict Muslim, who obverses all the traditions and customs of Islam. I'm wondering how that may affect his game, particularly during Ramadan. I don't think it would affect his game much, I was just more curious than anything. Anyone know much about his London days and how his religion affected his game, if at all?

Apparently that was a question raised at the combine and he advised it wouldnt affect his game. If memory serves me correctly this issue had also come up at the beginning of his junior days. He had a choice to make and things appeared to have worked out.