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wprager wrote:Joseph is great, now, but he's a middle 6 forward. He and Formenton are best on L3 plus PK. Eventually there is probably just one spot between the two of them.

Pinto was injured while on the NHL roster so they could not send him down to the AHL (not even a paper transaction), so that makes him ineligible for the Calder Cup playoffs. I think it's the same deal with Crookshank.

Lodin, however, *is* eligible. Not sure how, but I think it's because he is "on loan" to the SHL so technically still on the AHL roster (at least from the playoff eligibility point of view). Rules are weird.

They don’t even play the same position so I don’t see them fighting for one spot. Joseph is probably a third liner next year but that’s what they said about players like marchessaulr as well

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Joseph is great, now, but he's a middle 6 forward. He and Formenton are best on L3 plus PK. Eventually there is probably just one spot between the two of them.

Pinto was injured while on the NHL roster so they could not send him down to the AHL (not even a paper transaction), so that makes him ineligible for the Calder Cup playoffs. I think it's the same deal with Crookshank.

Lodin, however, *is* eligible. Not sure how, but I think it's because he is "on loan" to the SHL so technically still on the AHL roster (at least from the playoff eligibility point of view). Rules are weird.

They don’t even play the same position so I don’t see them fighting for one spot. Joseph is probably a third liner next year but that’s what they said about players like marchessaulr as well

I think you slot Joseph in your top-six and do whatever you can to get a third line of Formenton-Pinto-Brown. If you get a top-six LW keep Joseph on the right. If you get a RW you can move Joseph to the left. Ottawa shouldn't be building their team around where he wants to play. A winger is a winger. They skate all over the ice anyway. Shouldn't make much of a difference. For all we know he only prefers the right based on opportunity in Tampa

I think we can all agree now that we’re looking to add a top 6 winger and possibly improve our RHD with a top 4 pairing.

Thankfully we’re not looking for a top line C anymore. Those were costly to acquire and usually the ones available via trade came with a level of uncertainty.

I'm not even sure we need a top four RHD. If they think Hamonic can play with Sanderson then I'd almost rather we let MDZ, Thomson, Brannstrom and JBD fight for the final spot. I don't like Brannstrom on the right, he's done nothing to impress me in Chabot's offense, and we have Kleven, JBD and Thomson waiting in the wings. I'd be totally okay with:

Chabot-Zub
Sanderson-Hamonic
MDZ-Holden

I think Thomson will be ready as well so he can enter the mix depending on injury/success.

I also feel like Gus is going to get traded this off-season. IMO his one way contract won't clear waivers and unless they buy out Murray he's the odd man out. That leaves Gus and Brann as two prospects that can be used to secure a top-six winger.

Kelly playing very well in his role in his recent callups. He might have a spot locked up next year

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I'm not even sure we need a top four RHD. If they think Hamonic can play with Sanderson then I'd almost rather we let MDZ, Thomson, Brannstrom and JBD fight for the final spot. I don't like Brannstrom on the right, he's done nothing to impress me in Chabot's offense, and we have Kleven, JBD and Thomson waiting in the wings. I'd be totally okay with:

Chabot-Zub
Sanderson-Hamonic
MDZ-Holden

I think Thomson will be ready as well so he can enter the mix depending on injury/success.

I also feel like Gus is going to get traded this off-season. IMO his one way contract won't clear waivers and unless they buy out Murray he's the odd man out. That leaves Gus and Brann as two prospects that can be used to secure a top-six winger.

So what do you do if Murray is injured next year?

The reality is you need 3 goalies that can play the NHL and those are the 3 in our depth that are there. I think Murray would be the guy that is waved. No one is picking him up and if they do. Good.

There’s no way Sanderson is out second pairing Dman right off the bat. You’re dreaming.

Flo The Action wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I'm not even sure we need a top four RHD. If they think Hamonic can play with Sanderson then I'd almost rather we let MDZ, Thomson, Brannstrom and JBD fight for the final spot. I don't like Brannstrom on the right, he's done nothing to impress me in Chabot's offense, and we have Kleven, JBD and Thomson waiting in the wings. I'd be totally okay with:

Chabot-Zub
Sanderson-Hamonic
MDZ-Holden

I think Thomson will be ready as well so he can enter the mix depending on injury/success.

I also feel like Gus is going to get traded this off-season. IMO his one way contract won't clear waivers and unless they buy out Murray he's the odd man out. That leaves Gus and Brann as two prospects that can be used to secure a top-six winger.

So what do you do if Murray is injured next year?

The reality is you need 3 goalies that can play the NHL and those are the 3 in our depth that are there. I think Murray would be the guy that is waved. No one is picking him up and if they do. Good.

There’s no way Sanderson is out second pairing Dman right off the bat. You’re dreaming.

I think he will be top four right away. He’s that good

Gus is on a one way. They're not going to carry three goalies next year. He's not going to clear waivers if he needs to be called up. The only other option is moving Murray which I'm not sure will happen.

Sanderson will be a top four to start 100%  I'm also not counting out Thomson to start with Ottawa. If you watch Belleville games (or even the highlights) you'll see he's a good skater, he's physical, and he can get his shots through traffic

The problem with Matt Murray is that he's paid to be a #1 goalie and he isn't. He doesn't perform consistently, and he is injured half the season. I don't even like the idea of just waiving him to Belleville, as we should be developing goalies down there, not burying a vet and having him eat up games (when he's healthy). So yeah, if we keep Murray, we need two other NHL calibre goalies at the ready.

tim1_2 wrote:The problem with Matt Murray is that he's paid to be a #1 goalie and he isn't.  He doesn't perform consistently, and he is injured half the season.  I don't even like the idea of just waiving him to Belleville, as we should be developing goalies down there, not burying a vet and having him eat up games (when he's healthy).  So yeah, if we keep Murray, we need two other NHL calibre goalies at the ready.

I think they’ll move on from Murray for sure

I’d also trade Gustavsson if he has value though. Sogaard is the better talent. You can get a backup nhl goalie easily if needed

tim1_2 wrote:The problem with Matt Murray is that he's paid to be a #1 goalie and he isn't.  He doesn't perform consistently, and he is injured half the season.  I don't even like the idea of just waiving him to Belleville, as we should be developing goalies down there, not burying a vet and having him eat up games (when he's healthy).  So yeah, if we keep Murray, we need two other NHL calibre goalies at the ready.

I 100% agree. What I am saying though is that it's not feasible given his one-way contract. Even if we carry three goalies he's not playing games and his development becomes even worse. I think the option is you roll the dice with Murray or you roll the dice with Gus (who has looked terrible this year - albeit he's barely played). So then you also need to weigh out what to do with Murray. Maybe under new ownership a buyout of $10M doesn't seem to bad but there was no way Melnyk was going to let that fly. The other option is LTIR which would be the preferred option but it's a long shot especially considering Murray is practicing right now.

Yeah, LTIR would be the perfect solution for Murray, but I don't see him basically giving up on his career when he's only 27 years old. Who knows....maybe he comes in healthy for training camp and steals the show and then stays healthy....but I doubt it.

Another option could be trading him + another asset + retaining a bunch of his salary. Pay a team to take him.

tim1_2 wrote:Yeah, LTIR would be the perfect solution for Murray, but I don't see him basically giving up on his career when he's only 27 years old.  Who knows....maybe he comes in healthy for training camp and steals the show and then stays healthy....but I doubt it.

Another option could be trading him + another asset + retaining a bunch of his salary.  Pay a team to take him.

Ya I mean maybe someone is willing to pick him up at 50% his salary. Problem is there are a ton of other goalies out there making $3.5-4M that are better. I just don't see it happening...

And with respect to a buyout, Colin White at 1/3 makes so much more sense unless they can trade him. If they can move White without retaining salary or taking a bad contract back then maybe they can justify buying out Murray. I just don't know what Montreal possibly has to offer Ottawa unless it includes Weber's cap hit + something else? If that's the case then I'd want a good asset coming back.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Yeah, LTIR would be the perfect solution for Murray, but I don't see him basically giving up on his career when he's only 27 years old.  Who knows....maybe he comes in healthy for training camp and steals the show and then stays healthy....but I doubt it.

Another option could be trading him + another asset + retaining a bunch of his salary.  Pay a team to take him.

Ya I mean maybe someone is willing to pick him up at 50% his salary. Problem is there are a ton of other goalies out there making $3.5-4M that are better. I just don't see it happening...

And with respect to a buyout, Colin White at 1/3 makes so much more sense unless they can trade him. If they can move White without retaining salary or taking a bad contract back then maybe they can justify buying out Murray. I just don't know what Montreal possibly has to offer Ottawa unless it includes Weber's cap hit + something else? If that's the case then I'd want a good asset coming back.

I told you, it’s white plus assets (likely a 2nd rounder and maybe prospect) for Petry.

Those comments from Dorion telling everyone to wait till the off-season before commenting on the acquisition of Hamonic was all too telling that he was planning on acquiring another top 4 Dman.

Then you have the leak that white was part of a deal being worked out with Hughes in Montreal.

Dominos….


I just wonder what happens with zaitsev

Flo The Action wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Yeah, LTIR would be the perfect solution for Murray, but I don't see him basically giving up on his career when he's only 27 years old.  Who knows....maybe he comes in healthy for training camp and steals the show and then stays healthy....but I doubt it.

Another option could be trading him + another asset + retaining a bunch of his salary.  Pay a team to take him.

Ya I mean maybe someone is willing to pick him up at 50% his salary. Problem is there are a ton of other goalies out there making $3.5-4M that are better. I just don't see it happening...

And with respect to a buyout, Colin White at 1/3 makes so much more sense unless they can trade him. If they can move White without retaining salary or taking a bad contract back then maybe they can justify buying out Murray. I just don't know what Montreal possibly has to offer Ottawa unless it includes Weber's cap hit + something else? If that's the case then I'd want a good asset coming back.

I told you, it’s white plus assets (likely a 2nd rounder and maybe prospect) for Petry.

Those comments from Dorion telling everyone to wait till the off-season before commenting on the acquisition of Hamonic was all too telling that he was planning on acquiring another top 4 Dman.

Then you have the leak that white was part of a deal being worked out with Hughes in Montreal.

Dominos….


I just wonder what happens with zaitsev

Ummm... have you looked at Petry's contract?

- He turns 35 in December. He will be 37 at the end of his contract. (Doesn't fit the rebuild mold)
- He has a $3M signing bonus this year, next year and $2M the year after (We don't do bonuses)
- He has a cap hit of $6.25M over the next three years (Why are we taking on a huge cap?)
- His total salary is $7.5M next year, $7.5M the year after, and $5M the year after that ($20M over the next three seasons)
- He has a M-NTC and a NMC (probably won't waive for Ottawa - it's a 15 team no trade list)

Some other points:
- He's -10 and is having his worst statistical season since 2015/16 when he played 6 fewer games
- White is a 1/3 buyout that in total costs $5.25M over 8 seasons ($875K per)
- We are already going to have issues moving Murray and Zaitsev - why make things worse by adding Petry?
- Why help the Habs out of their cap mess and give up a second doing so?

Sorry - Petry makes zero sense. I'm confident the deal was for Weber's cap hit + a sweetener coming back. We're not giving up a 1/3 buyout and a 2nd for Petry. Makes zero sense.

Edit: I'm re-reading your post and it's White, a 2nd, and a prospect. There's just no way

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Yeah, LTIR would be the perfect solution for Murray, but I don't see him basically giving up on his career when he's only 27 years old.  Who knows....maybe he comes in healthy for training camp and steals the show and then stays healthy....but I doubt it.

Another option could be trading him + another asset + retaining a bunch of his salary.  Pay a team to take him.

Ya I mean maybe someone is willing to pick him up at 50% his salary. Problem is there are a ton of other goalies out there making $3.5-4M that are better. I just don't see it happening...

And with respect to a buyout, Colin White at 1/3 makes so much more sense unless they can trade him. If they can move White without retaining salary or taking a bad contract back then maybe they can justify buying out Murray. I just don't know what Montreal possibly has to offer Ottawa unless it includes Weber's cap hit + something else? If that's the case then I'd want a good asset coming back.

I told you, it’s white plus assets (likely a 2nd rounder and maybe prospect) for Petry.

Those comments from Dorion telling everyone to wait till the off-season before commenting on the acquisition of Hamonic was all too telling that he was planning on acquiring another top 4 Dman.

Then you have the leak that white was part of a deal being worked out with Hughes in Montreal.

Dominos….


I just wonder what happens with zaitsev

Ummm... have you looked at Petry's contract?

- He turns 35 in December. He will be 37 at the end of his contract. (Doesn't fit the rebuild mold)
- He has a $3M signing bonus this year, next year and $2M the year after (We don't do bonuses)
- He has a cap hit of $6.25M over the next three years (Why are we taking on a huge cap?)
- His total salary is $7.5M next year, $7.5M the year after, and $5M the year after that ($20M over the next three seasons)
- He has a M-NTC and a NMC (probably won't waive for Ottawa - it's a 15 team no trade list)

Some other points:
- He's -10 and is having his worst statistical season since 2015/16 when he played 6 fewer games
- White is a 1/3 buyout that in total costs $5.25M over 8 seasons ($875K per)
- We are already going to have issues moving Murray and Zaitsev - why make things worse by adding Petry?
- Why help the Habs out of their cap mess and give up a second doing so?

Sorry - Petry makes zero sense. I'm confident the deal was for Weber's cap hit + a sweetener coming back. We're not giving up a 1/3 buyout and a 2nd for Petry. Makes zero sense.

Edit: I'm re-reading your post and it's White, a 2nd, and a prospect. There's just no way

I never said he’d be my pick. But it’s more bout what we know about Dorion and what he might do.

I don’t think he’d be horrible tho. He’d be an alright guy to have on board to show the way to lassi and JBD.

There’s definitely better guys availability on the trade market but knowing Dorion is likely trying to unload white, and previously reported discussions with Hughes on a trade., I think this is the move that happens.

And yes, you need to add to get Petry AND get rid of white.
That’s the 2nd rounder and possibly a midnight prospect. Maybe montreal retains salary.
There was discussions about Minnesota taking on webers contract and that being beneficial for them.
Why would they pay us to tke it on when minisota might pay for it?

I see no way they trade for Petry

Was checking the B-Sens standings and noticed that the top yeah I've the Atlantic hasn't clinched a playoff spot but the second place team has. What a crazy season.