08 Draft (a retrospection): Karlsson or Eberle?

SDH89 wrote:The fact that some are mentioning trading Karlsson is laughable.

Who mentioned trading Kalrsson?

Dash wrote:

SDH89 wrote:The fact that some are mentioning trading Karlsson is laughable.

Who mentioned trading Kalrsson?

He must be referring to SSF's sarcastic remark about the EDM Blockbuster.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

Dash wrote:

SDH89 wrote:The fact that some are mentioning trading Karlsson is laughable.

Who mentioned trading Kalrsson?

He must be referring to SSF's sarcastic remark about the EDM Blockbuster.

No.

SDH89 wrote:The fact that some are mentioning trading Karlsson is laughable.

I don't think anyone said we should trade Karlsson but a lot of people feel that maybe he was rushed. You just need to be patient with rookies and prospects. All of our best players and the other players developed here didn't become the players they are overnight. It's a process and fans need to respect that process as hard as it might be sometimes.

That's why Cowen playing horribly in the WJ's doesn't really worry me. I'm sure he took a lot out of the tournament and he'll go back to Spokane and be ready next year if he goes back to the WJ's. I still think he will be a great NHL defensemen one day but it's going to take some time.

Dash wrote:

asq2 wrote:

Dash wrote:Will Karlsson ever be more than a 5th/6th PP specialist?

What?

Well, he could be nothing more, or he could be a top pairing, who knows? Same can be said for Eberle.

Dash wrote:Do you think Edmonton would trade a highly touted prospect and WJ hero for an injured, under-performing Spezza? What if Ottawa traded Karlsson for Tom Gilbert?

What?!

You think Edmonton would trade Eberle for Spezza? I'm not certain they would, nor am I certain Spezza's even available nor would it be, and it probably isn't, enough to get Murray interested.

Dash wrote:But I think Edmonton has no intentions of moving Eberle whatsoever unless it is Crosby, Ovechkin or maybe Kovalchuk.

What?!?!

Jeez louise you need to calm down about the importance of the WJHC. Marc Crawford outscored Doug Gilmour in one tournament.

I am aware that there is always the possibility of a WJ hero being an NHL zero, and yes, Eberle may not amount to much in the NHL, or he very well could. The point is he broke records, and came up huge when it mattered. The clutch performance is crucial. But you have to be aware that the same could happen for Karlsson. He was sent down to the AHL, only to be recalled. He's not been too impressive, maybe it's the coaching, who knows. He's no Doughty or Bogosian. Even Myers is playing better.

Jordan Eberle is a good prospect. He's not the second coming, though.

That was a little quick to judge. How do you know he won't be "the second coming"? He could be the 3rd, 4th or even 5th? :***:

Just don't discount the possibilities. I know you love Karlsson, so that could be affecting your opinion, no? Sure, I am a fan of Eberle (who isn't right now?), but I am aware the possibility that he could be an epic disappointment. But right now, which drafted player not in the NHL has more momentum? Filatov, who was pretty disappointing in the WJ's and had the C removed from him, and seems to have controversy and coaching conflicts everywhere he goes lately.

If Edmonton trades Eberle for less than a huge return, the fans will be pissed off. If they keep him and he busts, the fans will be disappointed as well. But if you are Edmonton, it would take a lot to convince me to trade him.

I doubt Edmonton fans would be as outraged if Eberle is moved. I have spent considerable time in Edmonton in the past few years and they are more excited about MPS. All the fans I have spoken too that Eberle is a piece they have to help get them a star player but his far from the end all be all.

Phoenix30 wrote:I doubt Edmonton fans would be as outraged if Eberle is moved. I have spent considerable time in Edmonton in the past few years and they are more excited about MPS. All the fans I have spoken too that Eberle is a piece they have to help get them a star player but his far from the end all be all.

Damn Edmonton fans and their knowledgeableness!!!

A good thing KLowe, er, Tambellini knows he's smarter than all of them put together.

You want to get a good pulse on the Oilers by listening to Just a Game on the fan 1260 in Edmonton

Phoenix30 wrote:You want to get a good pulse on the Oilers by listening to Just a Game on the fan 1260 in Edmonton

They also have a tab on the Edmonton Sun homepage called myOilers or something like that. We get CheapShots Brennan and the like.

I used to be in the habit of listening to out of market sportscasts during the College/Pro US Sports Bonanza on 1200.

Dash wrote:All I am trying to say is I doubt Eberle will be traded in the NHL right now, unless it is an offer Edmonton simply cannot refuse. It would likely have to be a bonafide NHL star, and what GM is going to trade away a star for a prospect, albeit a highly touted one? If Atlanta is going to trade Kovalchuk, is Edmonton going to offer up Eberle, who is younger and cheaper, and has potential to perhaps be as good as Ilya? Not to mention Edmonton, while they have everything a trading partner needs (cap space and prospects), they are out of a position to make a playoff run at this time. Unless they go on a tear, I don't see it as a possibility.

If Edmonton was offered Ilya Kovalchuk for Jordan Eberle straight up, they would do it 1,0000,0000,0000 times out of 10. And Eberle will not be nearly as good as Kovalchuk. There's about a 0.5% chance of that happening.

Anyway, I'm still not following this whole trade value conversation. You've mentioned that prospects aren't going to get traded, but you seem to be citing what you suppose Eberle's current value to be in a debate over whether or not Ottawa should have taken Karlsson or Eberle.

Man people over value these tournaments.
Max Talbot scored two goals in last year's Stanley Cup Finals game 7...doesn't mean he's worth Ilya Kovalchuk even though a Stanley Cup is far more valuable than a world junior gold medal.

Eberle might be an above average hockey player, but I don't think he's going to be an NHL superstar. As a matter of fact, I don't think he's going to be a star either.

I see him in the same mold as a Rene Bourque or a Michael Cammalleri, but with significantly lower goal totals.

I'm not sure he's going to make as big an impact as he did in the world juniors. But, who knows, I could definitely be wrong. He may blossom into a top first line player who scores game winner after game winner for the Oilers.

As for Karlsson, I think he's development is light years ahead of Eberle's to be completely honest.

His shot, positioning, skating and mental awareness are all significantly better than Eberle's. By a long margin.

We'll see how they both pan out. I think if both turn out into the players they should be, that Karlsson will be more valuable to this team than a Jordan Eberle.

Huge Eberle fan but at the time Karlsson was the rigth move and still is... We needed him more then we needed Eberle and that's what we went for...

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Dash wrote:Subban is a good player, but nothing like Eberle. Subban probably isn't even near Karlsson at this point. And Edmonton has a really deep defensive prospect chart.

Yeah. But is Eberle gregarious and engaging?

I think you're missing the point Dash.

TeamRenzo wrote:what is everyone's opinion on the play of Cowen this year?

Cowen didn't look great for most of it, but I really liked what I saw in the final game.<<< strange, right? The thing that stood out to me all game long was "who is a big game player?" That's all you can really see in that tournament. There were players like Kadri, Allen, and Tuebert (among others) who stuck out like a sore thumb, in terms of being non-big game... On the other hand, there was Kozun, Eberle, and yes, Cowen.

Kozun and Cowen may not have factored into the scoring all that much, but they didn't seem to be taken over by the moment. I can't explain it any other way than saying that there's a reason why Cowen has a mem cup. You could see the lack of mobility and early in the game you could clearly see the lack of confidence (which I don't blame on him) but he was reliable in his TOI. It's hard to get a read on a guy when he plays one shift every 10 minutes, but what I saw from Cowen is a guy I will be comfortable with in the clutch until the day he is no longer a member of the org.

And on topic, Karlsson (as mentioned by asq) was last year's top defenseman at 18.

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Eberle is small in stature, the guy we could have had that they have who will be a stud is the other swede MSP! Mark my words.

Have you seen how much size that kid put on in the past year?

MSP, Karlsosn and Petersson have all grown a lot IMO.

marakh wrote:MSP, Karlsosn and Petersson have all grown a lot IMO.

Good point on Petersson, I hope they get him over here next year because I think this kid; most of all, would benefit playing under Alfie's wing.

Petersson looked a long way from NHL ready from what I saw at the WJHC.