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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I think they'll buy our korpi

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Ev wrote:Sounds like we will get Ullmark for sure

Chych, #25, Forsberg and a prospect is what I've heard. Maybe something else coming back from Boston too. I'm assuming they're trying to hammer out an extension which could be what's holding things up.

Philly trade may include Korpi but it would mean Ottawa moves back to #12 and throws in other pieces too. Farabee could be the player coming back to Ottawa with Johanson or Atkinson as a contract dump. Brann could be included too. I imagine this becomes a much bigger trade if Ottawa decides to add in Boucher or Greig who both have ties to Philly. Anything bigger probably means an extended Konecny and a d-man come back (Bonk or York). Sens would take a forward with #12 if this were the case.

How is that not an overpayment ?
It should be chychrun for Ullmark. I don’t care about the extention because Boston will try to extend him aslo.
If that’s the deal, it means we still don’t have a competent GM. No other team is seriously after Ullmark. Plus we don’t even know if he’s gonna be that good outside of Boston.

This is idiotic.

Also, why would we be trading Ullmark and then dealing korpisalo if we traded Forsberg?
I’m down to move back but only if it helps our team and it’s worth quite a bit to move back. Make it work.

I really don’t believe there is any truth to Konecny.hes a guy they want to keep. Couturier might be available. At your own risk tho.   So much fans dreaming with these trades. Same for Bonk I don’t see Philly trading prospects. If anything, it’s players they’re trading.

I don’t think it’s terrible with an extension. Forsberg has no value and the 25th pick is basically like a second round pick. Ottawa would probably get a forward or D in return as well. Chychryun may only return a second round pick at this stage.

If there’s no extension then it should be Cychrun or the pick, not both

Yes, chychrun, OR the pick.

No way both because let’s look at it this way.
The sens lost on market rom in comparison to what NJ was offering. Why would they turn around and pay almost double what they likely offered to NJ?

Makes no sense.
It’s gonna likely be a first OR chychrun, Forsberg (which is neutral), and an average prospect.
Forsberg might not be included in the trade if it means they have to pay for it. A buyout of Forsberg is less than a million for 2 years.
They can carry 3 goalies to start the season and waive him or korpisalo without fear of getting picked up and maybe some team loses a goalie and we end up trading him for a song with a mill retained for a year.

All this to say it’s dumb to pay to get rid of Forsberg.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:5 x $7M per is the asking price apparently

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Ev wrote:Sounds like we will get Ullmark for sure

Chych, #25, Forsberg and a prospect is what I've heard. Maybe something else coming back from Boston too. I'm assuming they're trying to hammer out an extension which could be what's holding things up.

Philly trade may include Korpi but it would mean Ottawa moves back to #12 and throws in other pieces too. Farabee could be the player coming back to Ottawa with Johanson or Atkinson as a contract dump. Brann could be included too. I imagine this becomes a much bigger trade if Ottawa decides to add in Boucher or Greig who both have ties to Philly. Anything bigger probably means an extended Konecny and a d-man come back (Bonk or York). Sens would take a forward with #12 if this were the case.

How is that not an overpayment ?
It should be chychrun for Ullmark. I don’t care about the extention because Boston will try to extend him aslo.
If that’s the deal, it means we still don’t have a competent GM. No other team is seriously after Ullmark. Plus we don’t even know if he’s gonna be that good outside of Boston.

This is idiotic.

Also, why would we be trading Ullmark and then dealing korpisalo if we traded Forsberg?
I’m down to move back but only if it helps our team and it’s worth quite a bit to move back. Make it work.

I really don’t believe there is any truth to Konecny.hes a guy they want to keep. Couturier might be available. At your own risk tho.   So much fans dreaming with these trades. Same for Bonk I don’t see Philly trading prospects. If anything, it’s players they’re trading.

I don’t think it’s terrible with an extension. Forsberg has no value and the 25th pick is basically like a second round pick. Ottawa would probably get a forward or D in return as well. Chychryun may only return a second round pick at this stage.

If there’s no extension then it should be Cychrun or the pick, not both

Yes, chychrun, OR the pick.

No way both because let’s look at it this way.
The sens lost on market rom in comparison to what NJ was offering. Why would they turn around and pay almost double what they likely offered to NJ?

Makes no sense.
It’s gonna likely be a first OR chychrun, Forsberg (which is neutral), and an average prospect.
Forsberg might not be included in the trade if it means they have to pay for it. A buyout of Forsberg is less than a million for 2 years.
They can carry 3 goalies to start the season and waive him or korpisalo without fear of getting picked up and maybe some team loses a goalie and we end up trading him for a song with a mill retained for a year.

All this to say it’s dumb to pay to get rid of Forsberg.

I don’t think Forsberg would affect the return either way. An extended ullmark would be worth two late firsts or a first and second, so that’s why I think chychrun and a first is fair.

Markstrom is four years older and has no extension, so he would be worth less than an extended ullmark

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Ev wrote:Sounds like we will get Ullmark for sure

Chych, #25, Forsberg and a prospect is what I've heard. Maybe something else coming back from Boston too. I'm assuming they're trying to hammer out an extension which could be what's holding things up.

Philly trade may include Korpi but it would mean Ottawa moves back to #12 and throws in other pieces too. Farabee could be the player coming back to Ottawa with Johanson or Atkinson as a contract dump. Brann could be included too. I imagine this becomes a much bigger trade if Ottawa decides to add in Boucher or Greig who both have ties to Philly. Anything bigger probably means an extended Konecny and a d-man come back (Bonk or York). Sens would take a forward with #12 if this were the case.

How is that not an overpayment ?
It should be chychrun for Ullmark. I don’t care about the extention because Boston will try to extend him aslo.
If that’s the deal, it means we still don’t have a competent GM. No other team is seriously after Ullmark. Plus we don’t even know if he’s gonna be that good outside of Boston.

This is idiotic.

Also, why would we be trading Ullmark and then dealing korpisalo if we traded Forsberg?
I’m down to move back but only if it helps our team and it’s worth quite a bit to move back. Make it work.

I really don’t believe there is any truth to Konecny.hes a guy they want to keep. Couturier might be available. At your own risk tho.   So much fans dreaming with these trades. Same for Bonk I don’t see Philly trading prospects. If anything, it’s players they’re trading.

I don’t think it’s terrible with an extension. Forsberg has no value and the 25th pick is basically like a second round pick. Ottawa would probably get a forward or D in return as well. Chychryun may only return a second round pick at this stage.

If there’s no extension then it should be Cychrun or the pick, not both

Yes, chychrun, OR the pick.

No way both because let’s look at it this way.
The sens lost on market rom in comparison to what NJ was offering. Why would they turn around and pay almost double what they likely offered to NJ?

Makes no sense.
It’s gonna likely be a first OR chychrun, Forsberg (which is neutral), and an average prospect.
Forsberg might not be included in the trade if it means they have to pay for it. A buyout of Forsberg is less than a million for 2 years.
They can carry 3 goalies to start the season and waive him or korpisalo without fear of getting picked up and maybe some team loses a goalie and we end up trading him for a song with a mill retained for a year.

All this to say it’s dumb to pay to get rid of Forsberg.

I don’t think Forsberg would affect the return either way. An extended ullmark would be worth two late firsts or a first and second, so that’s why I think chychrun and a first is fair.

Markstrom is four years older and has no extension, so he would be worth less than an extended ullmark

The minute Chychrun plays half the season, they’ll resign him and we will have paid a first too much.

Flo The Action wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:5 x $7M per is the asking price apparently

I think it’s a bit of an overpayment. He hasn’t shown to be a great goalie in the playoffs for Boston and that in a system that is great defensively.

I might be the outlier but I think Ullmark is an average goalie. 5 mill is fair. 6 is what he should get on the open market. 7 and we are paying a premium we should not be paying. The term of 5 is acceptable but boy do I hope he doesn’t turn into my worst fear.

Hockeyhero22000 wrote:Ullmark is a sen for kastelic Boston's Original and Korpi 25% retained. Surprised with Korpi going and 25% retained is so much better than buy out

Ev wrote:

Hockeyhero22000 wrote:Ullmark is a sen for kastelic Boston's Original and Korpi 25% retained. Surprised with Korpi going and 25% retained is so much better than buy out

Yeah geez that’s a steal even if Ullmark is here for one year. Worst case scenario you can deal him at the deadline for a similar pick

Flo The Action wrote:Dimelo signs 4 years at a shade under 5million. Here’s a potential target for the sens that’s off the board