Prospecting Prospect - End of Season 18/19

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Given the post from a few days ago (comparing prospects to former Sens/NHL players) would this team push for a cup?

Tkachuk-Spezza(L.Brown)-Stone/Hossa(Bath)
Havlat(Stutzle)-Turris(Norris)-Dadonov
Silfverberg(Jarventie)-Bonk(Pinto)-C.Brown
Vermette(Formenton)-Pageau(Greig)-Dzingel(Abamov)
Extra: Schubert(Balcers)

Chabot-Redden(JBD)
Suter(Sanderson)-Gonchar(Brann)
Wolanin-Laukkanen(Thomson)
Extra: Sutton (Klevin)

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I still have a lot of faith in Logan Brown. I think a year off of hockey will do nothing but good things for his health and confidence. Not sure if you saw but he fired his agent. Not sure his agent was doing him any favours as he publicly made statement about Brown being wronged.

I think he comes into camp ready to go. He may not put up 90+ points like Spezza but 60 isn't out of the question

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I still have a lot of faith in Logan Brown. I think a year off of hockey will do nothing but good things for his health and confidence. Not sure if you saw but he fired his agent. Not sure his agent was doing him any favours as he publicly made statement about Brown being wronged.

I think he comes into camp ready to go. He may not put up 90+ points like Spezza but 60 isn't out of the question

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Oh I think his long-time friend Tkachuk and his best-friend Norris ride him and make him more competitive. Otherwise I think the locker room will turn on Brown and that will be the end of him in Ottawa. This is exactly why they drafted Tkachuk - for those leadership skills. You better bet they're going to be an awfully tough team to play against. If Brown can't live up to what the rest of the team is doing then he'll likely be gone. Whether he has a 'C' on his jersey or not, this it Tkachuk's team. We just need him to sign the next 8 years of his life away

PTFlea wrote:People who know what they're talking about on HF sing the praises of Sanderson.  Specifically a guy named BondraTime who knows his stuff.  Thinks many, many people will be reversing their opinions soon.

Incidentally, he liked the first three rounds this year, then felt they went off.

It's basically the only place i read in hf, that and the detailed threads on prospects.

Under ottawa Senators, then sub link prospects.  Most are people who just like to chat, but there are a few legit guys there if people want opinions.

PTFlea wrote:Diddle, no Greig for Canada as he has Covid

tim1_2 wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:what has been concerning to me is what the sens deem BPA. time and time again they have prioritized character over skill and have time and time again been wrong about the character of players left to develop.

i'm not saying these are bad picks but for some reason they have left a lot better players on the board according to fans, analysts and scouts.
it's not like we're saying individually they are making bad choices but we did not swing for skill enough for the fences with the number of picks we had. Ottawa drafting is obsessed with a certain type of players and it hasn't produced that Corey Perry player they think it will one day yield.  

I heard that same sentiment when tkachuk was selected and so far he is developing exactly as intended. Sens took two huge skill players in stutzle and jarventie in two of their first four picks this year.

I agree Ottawa drafted a bit narrrow minded and poorly in some years but I think the years under Trent Mann have been great and have yielded us a great mix of skill, size, and character. I think people confuse skill with flash.

as much as i didn't know if Tkachuck would turn out when they did draft him (i admit to that), i think at that point the team had such lack in every position that they could have drafted any BPA and that could have been fine.

Stuetzle is a skill player (even if i have my reservations) and i'll give them that. I think the hiccup comes why we drafted both Sanderson and Grieg where we got them with who was available.
we may be proven wrong down the road with how good Sanderson is (and i'll be the first to admit it) but i feel like there will be much more obvious choices that we should have taken ahead of him and definitely ahead of Grieg.
it's just a recognizable pattern from the sens and one many are getting tired of.

i have no doubt that if the sens can retain their players we will be a good team but it's how good of a team we could have been had we drafted other players available that will be in question.

I always love that people are willing to crap all over guys like Sanderson and Grieg while they likely haven't seen them play...ever.

tim1_2 wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Diddle, no Greig for Canada as he has Covid

Well that sucks!

Flo The Action wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Diddle, no Greig for Canada as he has Covid

Well that sucks!

isn't he rejoining the team once he gets tested negative?

Flo The Action wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Diddle, no Greig for Canada as he has Covid

Well that sucks!

isn't he rejoining the team once he gets tested negative?

Flo The Action wrote:I'd say it doesn't look good for Logan Brown. the key things he seems to have been missing so far have yet to materialize. he's really got to develop that extra gear which is likely linked to motivation and if he's been unable to develop it until now it may be that his overall compete just isn't there at an NHL level.

i certainly hope the sens have that scenario built into their plans.

I, for one, don't know if Stuetzle will be a C but more of a winger so i still see a gap on the 1st line to fill. i don't see us trading for that easily. we'll see.  

PTFlea wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I'd say it doesn't look good for Logan Brown. the key things he seems to have been missing so far have yet to materialize. he's really got to develop that extra gear which is likely linked to motivation and if he's been unable to develop it until now it may be that his overall compete just isn't there at an NHL level.

i certainly hope the sens have that scenario built into their plans.

I, for one, don't know if Stuetzle will be a C but more of a winger so i still see a gap on the 1st line to fill. i don't see us trading for that easily. we'll see.  

Wait, why do you say that regarding Brown?   He was being a baby and they let him simmer in the AHL, but he didn't exactly do nothing.   He produced at a great pace  - 28 points in 25 games and they would have gone deep, if not challenged for the Cup had the year not been cut short.

Basically, he did everything he could have to impress.  8 points in 23 in the NHL isn't awesome, but it's pretty standard for a young player coming up the ranks.

Let's not pull another Zibanejad here!