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wprager wrote:I an not sure there is any need to protect either Dzingel or Pageau. Of the thirty teams out there,  you don't think there would be better options for a couple third liners?  Don't forget,  they will also have players taken in the entrance draft as well as free agent signings.  

They have to draft a players from the sens. If Pageau is there you can bet your peanuts he will be taken.

PTFlea wrote:Dorion might still go the 4 forward, 4 D,  1 goalie route.   Who knows...

Phaneuf needs to waive nothing,  we need him right here

4 forwards would leave way too many forwards open for us. I can't see that happening at all

Flo The Action wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:So I guess that adds smith to the list of protected players? Ryan, turris , hoff, stone, smith, Pageau, dzingel? Lazar is gonna be moved if that's the list as I doubt they will let him get picked up. Of course it could be methot. If ceci is still around.

I don't see Ryan being protected. My guess is Turris, Hoffman, Brassard, Smith, Dzingel, Stone and Pageau.  I think Lazar is used as a chip.  If Phaneuf waves his NMC for the expansion draft he can be traded for help, and if Phaneuf won't wave you hope Lazar is taken in the expansion draft before Methot.  

Oh I forgot about brass! Well isn't up to Ryan if he's protected or not with his partial NTC/NMC? You would have to ask him to waive it and it doesn't sound like he wants to leave Ottawa and IMO I think he could very well be picked up if left unprotected.

I dunno, as it stands right now we may lose dzingel or methot or lazar.

Ryan was on the list of players that do not need to be protected. Over 7M for a 20 goal scorer? If he got selected it would be a blessing.

wprager wrote:Whether Smith was getting signed regardless is true or not (not convinced) you better believe the urgency to sign him sky rocketed on Mac's news,  and the budget space for it certainly became a lot more clear.

They have been working on this for a while and Dorion flew down to St Louis to meet face to face with the agent before the Mac news was known. The trade deadline was likely a factor in the timing.

wprager wrote:I an not sure there is any need to protect either Dzingel or Pageau. Of the thirty teams out there,  you don't think there would be better options for a couple third liners?  Don't forget,  they will also have players taken in the entrance draft as well as free agent signings.  

I think Dorion and Boucher know the league is all about speed now. BMurr was slow to adapt, if he did at all, but Dzingel especially, is someone who needs to be protected.

Turris, Stone, Hoffman, Brassard and Smith will likely be protected, meaning yeah, Pageau and Dzingel will both be exposed. And then it'll be Methot or Ceci exposed on the back end if they don't convince Phaneuf to let himself be exposed.

tim1_2 wrote:Turris, Stone, Hoffman, Brassard and Smith will likely be protected, meaning yeah, Pageau and Dzingel will both be exposed. And then it'll be Methot or Ceci exposed on the back end if they don't convince Phaneuf to let himself be exposed.

You can protect 7 forwards.

Oglethorpe wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Turris, Stone, Hoffman, Brassard and Smith will likely be protected, meaning yeah, Pageau and Dzingel will both be exposed. And then it'll be Methot or Ceci exposed on the back end if they don't convince Phaneuf to let himself be exposed.

You can protect 7 forwards.

Lol right. Don't know what I was smoking this morning. So yeah, then they protect Dzingel and Pageau too, and Bob's your uncle!

I understand the logic of exposing Ryan but we create another hole on the line-up.maube they try and trade him before the draft.

Flo The Action wrote:I understand the logic of exposing Ryan but we create another hole on the line-up.maube they try and trade him before the draft.

I'm sure if there were trade offers, Dorion would be trying to make it work. His contract is really big and long though, making him a tough sell.

1.Turris
2.Hoffman
3.Stone
4.Brassard
5.Smith
6.Pageau
7.CECI TRADE

1.Karlsson
2.Phaneuf
3.Methot

1.Anderson

That's how it'll have to go down, I think.

PTFlea wrote:1.Turris
2.Hoffman
3.Stone
4.Brassard
5.Smith
6.Pageau
7.CECI TRADE

1.Karlsson
2.Phaneuf
3.Methot

1.Anderson

That's how it'll have to go down, I think.

If Ceci is traded it would not likely be in season as there is no one to take his minutes. One thing I guarantee is that whatever happens with Phaneuf the organization will expose Methot 100 times out of 100 before they expose Ceci.

tim1_2 wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I understand the logic of exposing Ryan but we create another hole on the line-up.maube they try and trade him before the draft.

I'm sure if there were trade offers, Dorion would be trying to make it work.  His contract is really big and long though, making him a tough sell.

That logic makes no sense, if you can't trade him because of his contract why would you be worried about Vegas selecting him in the expansion draft ? Same logic applies to exposing Phaneuf if he waives.

Oglethorpe wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I understand the logic of exposing Ryan but we create another hole on the line-up.maube they try and trade him before the draft.

I'm sure if there were trade offers, Dorion would be trying to make it work.  His contract is really big and long though, making him a tough sell.

That logic makes no sense, if you can't trade him because of his contract why would you be worried about Vegas selecting him in the expansion draft ?  Same logic applies to exposing Phaneuf if he waives.

I don't know what is confusing. The Sens should 100% expose Ryan for the expansion draft. I don't think he'll be taken. At the same time, if they can trade him before then, they should consider that too due to his declining production and silly contract.

On another note:

Topical: http://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-suggested-target-for-senators-1.656870

Oglethorpe wrote:

PTFlea wrote:1.Turris
2.Hoffman
3.Stone
4.Brassard
5.Smith
6.Pageau
7.CECI TRADE

1.Karlsson
2.Phaneuf
3.Methot

1.Anderson

That's how it'll have to go down, I think.

If Ceci is traded it would not likely be in season as there is no one to take his minutes.  One thing I guarantee is that whatever happens with Phaneuf the organization will expose Methot 100 times out of 100 before they expose Ceci.

You'd be taking an awful risk losing Karlsson's partner, that had better work or you'd look like a fool.

tim1_2 wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I understand the logic of exposing Ryan but we create another hole on the line-up.maube they try and trade him before the draft.

I'm sure if there were trade offers, Dorion would be trying to make it work.  His contract is really big and long though, making him a tough sell.

That logic makes no sense, if you can't trade him because of his contract why would you be worried about Vegas selecting him in the expansion draft ?  Same logic applies to exposing Phaneuf if he waives.

I don't know what is confusing.  The Sens should 100% expose Ryan for the expansion draft.  I don't think he'll be taken.  At the same time, if they can trade him before then, they should consider that too due to his declining production and silly contract.

On another note:

Topical: http://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-suggested-target-for-senators-1.656870

I meant to respond to Flo's comment about creating a hole in the lineup. My bad.

On your other note: We don't have the prospect depth or current blueline depth to get Duchesne IMO.

PTFlea wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

PTFlea wrote:1.Turris
2.Hoffman
3.Stone
4.Brassard
5.Smith
6.Pageau
7.CECI TRADE

1.Karlsson
2.Phaneuf
3.Methot

1.Anderson

That's how it'll have to go down, I think.

If Ceci is traded it would not likely be in season as there is no one to take his minutes.  One thing I guarantee is that whatever happens with Phaneuf the organization will expose Methot 100 times out of 100 before they expose Ceci.

You'd be taking an awful risk losing Karlsson's partner, that had better work or you'd look like a fool.

I'll keep the 23 year old who is playing big minutes and trust that Karlsson's game has advanced enough that he will make his partner look good.

Karlsson won a Norris with Kuba, so it's safe to assume he can make a lot of different d-men look good.