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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:So apperently garrioch reports that Dorion has been kicking tires on Russell and seidenberg and may be looking to the FA for another forward. Interesting to say the least. Russell would be great on a two year contract but I doubt we're at the top of the his list. As far as forwards I wonder which position he's interested in filling.

I'm not a huge fan of Russell and I think that he's waiting for the highest bid anyway. Seidenberg is fine, we're talking about the bottom D pairing here after all.

As far as forwards he should be looking to fill that #3 RW spot. That's a lot more important than the bottom pairing D, IMO. It's pretty late now too to add anything worthwhile, although I would look at Tanguay.
I agree that that 3rd RW is what needs addressing I'm just not sure if he sees it that way. That said, so far, Dorion seems to have addressed or has talked about addressing all the positions we've said needed addressing.
There's a lot of questions regarding seindenberg's speed on the ice. He seems like a PTO candidate if you ask me. Russell would be fine if you ask me. He can easily slide into the top 4 if need be also. But yeah, likely looking for the highest bidder and that ain't us.

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Here's Garrioch's article:
http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Ottawa/2016/09/12/22666277.html?cid=rsssportsslam!%20hockey

Titled "Dorion: on the right course". Interviewed during the team's charity golf tournament. Well of course he was on the right course.

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Flo The Action wrote:
PTFlea wrote:That proposed trade with nashville would have been amazing.
Would it? Patrick hornqvist and Nick spaling? Spaling has been average going from team to team and hornqvist is decent but he's benefited from playing with some amazing centermen.
I still find this return pretty underwelming. No matter how you look at it we got Cussed on any return. God damn NTC's.

I like Paul, but Hornqvist would have immediately made a big impact for Ottawa. It was a perfect trade, too bad about the NTC. Even Spaling would have been decent, then his trade value was a 2nd rounder, I would guess, considering he and Polak got 2 2nd rounders.

So basically Hornqvist and 2nd. Excuse me while I go cry myself to sleep.

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Flo The Action wrote:So apperently garrioch reports that Dorion has been kicking tires on Russell and seidenberg and may be looking to the FA for another forward. Interesting to say the least. Russell would be great on a two year contract but I doubt we're at the top of the his list. As far as forwards I wonder which position he's interested in filling.

This is what we need for sure. A veteran defender who can come in and let Boro and Wideman alternate so they don't play 82 games and we're not relying on Claesson to come in if there's an injury.

As mentioned previously, Seidenberg's speed and mobility is a major issue. I doubt he's useful, but Russell would be nice as a third pairing guy to say the least.

Also nice to hear he's looking at 3rd liners, as Lazar would have to prove himself offensively if I was at the helm.

But...I'll believe it when I see a signing.

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SensChirp had an article up and I must agree, a guy like Tanguay or especially Fleishmann would be a huge addition to the club. Not to mention they'd take 1 million - or if they wouldn't they can go elsewhere.

Interesting...

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PTFlea wrote:SensChirp had an article up and I must agree, a guy like Tanguay or especially Fleishmann would be a huge addition to the club.  Not to mention they'd take 1 million - or if they wouldn't they can go elsewhere.

Interesting...

Hard to say about tanguay. He's one season away from a very decent season but last year was quite the drop off. Seems like allow cost option though. Fleishmann too could be an interesting option. I bet we end up with someone on a PTO and if lazar doesn't set himself apart from some vets than I hope they have the inclination to send him down to Bingo.

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PTFlea wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:So apperently garrioch reports that Dorion has been kicking tires on Russell and seidenberg and may be looking to the FA for another forward. Interesting to say the least. Russell would be great on a two year contract but I doubt we're at the top of the his list. As far as forwards I wonder which position he's interested in filling.

This is what we need for sure.  A veteran defender who can come in and let Boro and Wideman alternate so they don't play 82 games and we're not relying on Claesson to come in if there's an injury.

As mentioned previously, Seidenberg's speed and mobility is a major issue.  I doubt he's useful, but Russell would be nice as a third pairing guy to say the least.

Also nice to hear he's looking at 3rd liners, as Lazar would have to prove himself offensively if I was at the helm.

But...I'll believe it when I see a signing.
Again PTO's might be our best option for anyone else than Russel. I don't like relying on Boro for 82 games either and although I think it's time to see if claesson can be a regular NHLer I'd rather see that in the case of injuries.
Rather get some depth we need now at the price of signing someone than later at the price of a draft pick at the deadline.

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Flo The Action wrote:
PTFlea wrote:SensChirp had an article up and I must agree, a guy like Tanguay or especially Fleishmann would be a huge addition to the club.  Not to mention they'd take 1 million - or if they wouldn't they can go elsewhere.

Interesting...

Hard to say about tanguay. He's one season away from a very decent season but last year was quite the drop off. Seems like allow cost option though. Fleishmann too could be an interesting option. I bet we end up with someone on a PTO and if lazar doesn't set himself apart from some vets than I hope they have the inclination to send him down to Bingo.

I'm probably wrong, but Dorion seems slightly 'no nonsense' in terms of wanting to win. Not really sure why I feel that, I guess the Brassard trade was a big indicator, as was the hiring of Crawford and Boucher. That said, I hope he's aggressive in his handling of the youth. If they're not ready, don't play they. If he thinks Paul could use a year, great, bring up Blunden, if he thinks Lazar could use time, great, sign Fleishmann. If Dzingel is only gonna be used on the 4th line, send him down and use a vet.

Don't be afraid to send guys down, especially Lazar and Paul. It doesn't happen overnight.

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Flo The Action wrote:
PTFlea wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:So apperently garrioch reports that Dorion has been kicking tires on Russell and seidenberg and may be looking to the FA for another forward. Interesting to say the least. Russell would be great on a two year contract but I doubt we're at the top of the his list. As far as forwards I wonder which position he's interested in filling.

This is what we need for sure.  A veteran defender who can come in and let Boro and Wideman alternate so they don't play 82 games and we're not relying on Claesson to come in if there's an injury.

As mentioned previously, Seidenberg's speed and mobility is a major issue.  I doubt he's useful, but Russell would be nice as a third pairing guy to say the least.

Also nice to hear he's looking at 3rd liners, as Lazar would have to prove himself offensively if I was at the helm.

But...I'll believe it when I see a signing.
Again PTO's might be our best option for anyone else than Russel. I don't like relying on Boro for 82 games either and although I think it's time to see if claesson can be a regular NHLer I'd rather see that in the case of injuries.
Rather get some depth we need now at the price of signing someone than later at the price of a draft pick at the deadline.

Yeah, no chance Seidenberg gets a real contract unless it's for 700K and even then...I'd wait and see how he plays against some speed in pre-season and even training camp.

None of these old players deserves a contract. This is a show me league and a league built on and for youth. If you're a veteran without a contract, you're fighting for a PTO right now. It's very good for us.

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I'd rather not even waste a PTO on Seidenberg, there's no way he can keep up in this NHL.

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I disagree with some of what's been said. I prefer Paul playing on the 4th line rather than getting an old rental there. We already have Kelly for veteran 4th line leadership and we still have Neil. Why would you want to carry more similar players. Paul has the size and speed and some skill to be just as good a 4th line player. On the 3rd line, we have Smith on left wing. Sure, he's not going to score 25, but is he a downgrade over Fleischman (30 in his last 3 seasons) or Tanguay (8 goals last season and aging fast). And since all three of Kelly, Smith and Paul are left-hand centers they can all rotate through that spot if anyone struggles.

Now, Lazar as a third liner expected to provide some scoring scares me a little. But let's see what he does in his first 10-15 games with a new coach and a new attitude.

All that said, I'm not against bringing in a couple of vets on PTOs just to light a bit of a fire under their asses.

Hoffman-Turris-Stone
MacArthur-Brassard-Ryan
Smith-Pageau-Lazar
Paul-Kelly-Neil
Puempel-Dzingel as extras

I can get behind that.


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wprager wrote:I disagree with some of what's been said.  I prefer Paul playing on the 4th line rather than getting an old rental there. We already have Kelly for veteran 4th line leadership and we still have Neil.  Why would you want to carry more similar players.  Paul has the size and speed and some skill to be just as good a 4th line player.  On the 3rd line, we have Smith on left wing.  Sure, he's not going to score 25, but is he a downgrade over Fleischman (30 in his last 3 seasons) or Tanguay (8 goals last season and aging fast).  And since all three of Kelly, Smith and Paul are left-hand centers they can all rotate through that spot if anyone struggles.  

Now, Lazar as a third liner expected to provide some scoring scares me a little.  But let's see what he does in his first 10-15 games with a new coach and a new attitude.

All that said, I'm not against bringing in a couple of vets on PTOs just to light a bit of a fire under their asses.  

Hoffman-Turris-Stone
MacArthur-Brassard-Ryan
Smith-Pageau-Lazar
Paul-Kelly-Neil
Puempel-Dzingel as extras

I can get behind that.
It can look good on paper but it is paper thin. Is MacArthur really good to go or is one hit away from IR? Smith's shoot % was off the charts last year, I really don't even want to forecast a number of goals for him or whether he can provide offence on a somewhat regular basis, at least it's his contract year so he'll be trying. Lazar=big question mark.
That's already 3 maybes as far as I'm concerned and who knows about Kelly's health and how Neil will look a year older. Hey Hoffman has a new contract, is he lights out again? Lots and lots of question marks.

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PTFlea wrote:I'd rather not even waste a PTO on Seidenberg, there's no way he can keep up in this NHL.

Let's not sell him that short, he got picked for the Europe team in the World Cup. I'd be willing to give him a chance on a PTO and sincerely hope that's what the sens do. I've been calling sens getting seidenberg since July 1

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Flo The Action wrote:
wprager wrote:I disagree with some of what's been said.  I prefer Paul playing on the 4th line rather than getting an old rental there. We already have Kelly for veteran 4th line leadership and we still have Neil.  Why would you want to carry more similar players.  Paul has the size and speed and some skill to be just as good a 4th line player.  On the 3rd line, we have Smith on left wing.  Sure, he's not going to score 25, but is he a downgrade over Fleischman (30 in his last 3 seasons) or Tanguay (8 goals last season and aging fast).  And since all three of Kelly, Smith and Paul are left-hand centers they can all rotate through that spot if anyone struggles.  

Now, Lazar as a third liner expected to provide some scoring scares me a little.  But let's see what he does in his first 10-15 games with a new coach and a new attitude.

All that said, I'm not against bringing in a couple of vets on PTOs just to light a bit of a fire under their asses.  

Hoffman-Turris-Stone
MacArthur-Brassard-Ryan
Smith-Pageau-Lazar
Paul-Kelly-Neil
Puempel-Dzingel as extras

I can get behind that.
It can look good on paper but it is paper thin.

Yep. Paper thin indeed. We lost Turris last season and that was enough to ruin our season. I like our bottom 6 for the most part but it's not like any of those guys are real top 6 candidates when we have injuries.

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Flo The Action wrote:
wprager wrote:I disagree with some of what's been said.  I prefer Paul playing on the 4th line rather than getting an old rental there. We already have Kelly for veteran 4th line leadership and we still have Neil.  Why would you want to carry more similar players.  Paul has the size and speed and some skill to be just as good a 4th line player.  On the 3rd line, we have Smith on left wing.  Sure, he's not going to score 25, but is he a downgrade over Fleischman (30 in his last 3 seasons) or Tanguay (8 goals last season and aging fast).  And since all three of Kelly, Smith and Paul are left-hand centers they can all rotate through that spot if anyone struggles.  

Now, Lazar as a third liner expected to provide some scoring scares me a little.  But let's see what he does in his first 10-15 games with a new coach and a new attitude.

All that said, I'm not against bringing in a couple of vets on PTOs just to light a bit of a fire under their asses.  

Hoffman-Turris-Stone
MacArthur-Brassard-Ryan
Smith-Pageau-Lazar
Paul-Kelly-Neil
Puempel-Dzingel as extras

I can get behind that.
It can look good on paper but it is paper thin. Is MacArthur really good to go or is one hit away from IR? Smith's shoot % was off the charts last year, I really don't even want to forecast a number of goals for him or whether he can provide offence on a somewhat regular basis, at least it's his contract year so he'll be trying. Lazar=big question mark.
That's already 3 maybes as far as I'm concerned and who knows about Kelly's health and how Neil will look a year older. Hey Hoffman has a new contract, is he lights out again? Lots and lots of question marks.

I'm concerned about Lazar on yhe 3rd line more than anything personally. One hit away is the chance you take, and the Sens dud nothing when mac got knocked out , hopefully dorion is more proactive

Dzingel is probably the guy to fill in if there are injuries, maybe Puempel, or realistically pageau moves up and takes overy whatever forward position is open, but as you say...a little thin.

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Hoff-Machine wrote:
PTFlea wrote:I'd rather not even waste a PTO on Seidenberg, there's no way he can keep up in this NHL.

Let's not sell him that short, he got picked for the Europe team in the World Cup.  I'd be willing to give him a chance on a PTO and sincerely hope that's what the sens do.  I've been calling sens getting seidenberg since July 1

How's he doing? I can't watch an all star tourney right now. I think he's phillips part 2 personally. Done...but who knows...

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Kelly, Smith, Paul can all play either center or left wing. If CMac is out they'll try Smith up there and Paul moves up to the third line. If Smith struggles on wing then swap him an Kelly. It's the Ottawa way.

Look, when Turris went down two things were at play. First, he stayed in instead of sitting out. Second, Zibanejad did not rise to the occasion. We have replaced Zibanejad with Brassard and also brought in Kelly. If Turris goes down you still have Brassard-Pageau-Kelly. Pageau is not a 2LC but he can play one for a stretch -- he showed that last year. And then you have Kelly and Smith to pick up the slack on face offs (lefties). That will make it easier for Pageau. It's not ideal but we have better depth than last year.


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wprager wrote:Kelly, Smith, Paul can all play either center or left wing.  If CMac is out they'll try Smith up there and Paul moves up to the third line.  If Smith struggles on wing then swap him an Kelly.  It's the Ottawa way.

Look, when Turris went down two things were at play.  First, he stayed in instead of sitting out.  Second, Zibanejad did not rise to the occasion.  We have replaced Zibanejad with Brassard and also brought in Kelly.  If Turris goes down you still have Brassard-Pageau-Kelly.  Pageau is not a 2LC but he can play one for a stretch -- he showed that last year.  And then you have Kelly and Smith to pick up the slack on face offs (lefties).  That will make it easier for Pageau.  It's not ideal but we have better depth than last year.

JGP finished 56th in scoring for centres. I suppose that puts him at the bottom end of 2LCs in the league, statistically. Not bad. Obviously stats aren't everything, but I agree with prags. JGP showed that in a pinch he can move up the lineup.

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