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Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

wprager wrote:

Michallica wrote:

spader wrote:

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Trading someone isn't the same as giving up on them.

Fair enough.  Semantics aside, it still would make us much weaker on defense by trading Ceci.  I however haven't seen Chabot play in person so the only rationale of trading Ceci would be that Murray/Dorion are convinced Chabot will make the team next season and be better.  

I guess I'm sick of taking one step forward and two steps back all the time.  

Will it, though?  A little, yes, but not that much.  Look at Ceci's stats -- they aren't great.  Maybe he's being hampered by Weircioch?  But just tell me how much worse would we be if we replaced Ceci-Weircioch with Wideman-Cowen.  It's hardly a huge drop-off.

wprager wrote:

Michallica wrote:

spader wrote:

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Trading someone isn't the same as giving up on them.

Fair enough.  Semantics aside, it still would make us much weaker on defense by trading Ceci.  I however haven't seen Chabot play in person so the only rationale of trading Ceci would be that Murray/Dorion are convinced Chabot will make the team next season and be better.  

I guess I'm sick of taking one step forward and two steps back all the time.  

Will it, though?  A little, yes, but not that much.  Look at Ceci's stats -- they aren't great.  Maybe he's being hampered by Weircioch?  But just tell me how much worse would we be if we replaced Ceci-Weircioch with Wideman-Cowen.  It's hardly a huge drop-off.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:

Michallica wrote:

spader wrote:

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Trading someone isn't the same as giving up on them.

Fair enough.  Semantics aside, it still would make us much weaker on defense by trading Ceci.  I however haven't seen Chabot play in person so the only rationale of trading Ceci would be that Murray/Dorion are convinced Chabot will make the team next season and be better.  

I guess I'm sick of taking one step forward and two steps back all the time.  

Will it, though?  A little, yes, but not that much.  Look at Ceci's stats -- they aren't great.  Maybe he's being hampered by Weircioch?  But just tell me how much worse would we be if we replaced Ceci-Weircioch with Wideman-Cowen.  It's hardly a huge drop-off.

Wideman is, at worst, a modest downgrade on Ceci, if I'm being generous towards Ceci. I'd be more inclined to say that Wideman is as good or better than Ceci though.

You could offer up just about anybody and it makes no difference to me but to worry about losing Ceci when you're getting Duchene is a litte silly.

SeawaySensFan wrote:Duche-stakes update?

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Duche-stakes update?

I'm hearing it's a done deal. They are just arguing about 6th round pick Murray doesn't want to give up.

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Duche-stakes update?

I'm hearing it's a done deal. They are just arguing about 6th round pick Murray doesn't want to give up.

North American rights to Da Costa is what they are haggling over right now.  Sens are countering with Regin+Filatov.

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Duche-stakes update?

I'm hearing it's a done deal. They are just arguing about 6th round pick Murray doesn't want to give up.

Ev wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:We let the Preds D shoot all over the ice and the Leafs were able to limit them big time.
You are a stats guy, look at this:
Against Ottawa: 23 SOG for the Preds defensemen
Against Toronto: 5 SOG

So Yes, it's the babcock factor, how can you disagree?

do you honestly believe Bacbock has any effect on that roster

SeawaySensFan wrote:Duche-stakes update?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Duche-stakes update?

I'm hearing he's still a "Duche".