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tim1_2 wrote:

wprager wrote:Hammond is very different from Andy in taking blame.  He stops 33 of 35 shots (including two zingers off the head) and says he was not good, whereas Anderson says a weak AHL-side goal in OT was a perfect shot, 12" off the ice, just inside the post.  Not saying Anderson is not a very good goalie, but he does come with a little more drama than Hammond.

Jesus christ, will you ever stop with this?

We have two very good goalies at this point in time. There's no real point in discussing the goaltending position, as it's the one position we're 100% fine with.

I actually did say that both goalies have played well (only one bad game from each one, frankly). But are you going to sit there and tell me I'm wrong in saying that Anderson comes with some personal baggage? There was a reason why he was run out of Colorado.

Michallica wrote:Pierre is just an Donkey kisser.  He loves babcock so I take it he's just crediting babcock more than he's throwing dave cameron under the bus.  As soon as he said that, I just rolled my eyes. Should have seen that coming a mile away.

That said, sens probably could look in the mirror and hopefully realize they're doing something fundamentally wrong if the lowly leafs can limit the preds.  Then again, it's a strange league.  Dallas has lost twice to toronto.  

It's the Babcock Effect!

tim1_2 wrote:Don't underestimate how much Bryan Murray loves ZBad and Ceci. He has said that he sees ZBad as a future #1 centre. I really don't see him trading both guys for Duchesne. I think, in addition to Karlsson and Methot, that Ceci is pretty much untouchable in his mind.

Steep price? Sure. I think you're upgrading on ZIBANEJAD as well as making Ryan and whoever is on left better on that line. You gotta swing for the fences here.

tim1_2 wrote:

Michallica wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

wprager wrote:Hammond is very different from Andy in taking blame.  He stops 33 of 35 shots (including two zingers off the head) and says he was not good, whereas Anderson says a weak AHL-side goal in OT was a perfect shot, 12" off the ice, just inside the post.  Not saying Anderson is not a very good goalie, but he does come with a little more drama than Hammond.

Jesus christ, will you ever stop with this?

We have two very good goalies at this point in time. There's no real point in discussing the goaltending position, as it's the one position we're 100% fine with.

He's not wrong though.  There is some more drama with anderson.  Hamburglar is just very humble and that's a good thing, but each goalie handles adversity their own way.  Anderson doesn't like to be overly critical of himself and that works for him.

That said, the team just flat out plays better when hammond plays....I don't know what it is but results don't lie.

Yes, they have different mentalities.  Anderson has a starting goalie's mentality, and Hammond has a backup goalie's mentality.  Marty Brodeur was a pretty good goalie, and he used to never take blame for any bad goals...it's a strategy for dealing with bad games that goaltending coaches are teaching.  I've posted about this before, directly in response to W.P. Rager posting stuff about how Anderson never takes blame.  This is a circular discussion that leads no where.  

Hammond was the starter for a third of the season, with both the Sens' #1 and #2 on the IR and an ECHL callup as his backup. Oh and the season on the line. I realize that's not anywhere near the resume that Anderson has built for himself but it's not nothing. The more Hammond plays the more I keep thinking, hmm, maybe he's not just a backup.

havlat on unconditional waivers, looks like he's done with the blues. Perhaps the NHL too.

On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go. Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve. Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way. As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded. No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.

My guess? Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Do any of our D prospects shoot right? Wikstrand, Chabot, Englund, Harpur, Boyle -- all lefties. And it took Wideman *how many* years to break through?

wprager wrote:

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Do any of our D prospects shoot right?  Wikstrand, Chabot, Englund, Harpur, Boyle -- all lefties.  And it took Wideman *how many* years to break through?  

lol

Michallica wrote:havlat on unconditional waivers, looks like he's done with the blues.  Perhaps the NHL too.

Citing personal reasons. Interesting.

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Trading someone isn't the same as giving up on them.

wprager wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Michallica wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

wprager wrote:Hammond is very different from Andy in taking blame.  He stops 33 of 35 shots (including two zingers off the head) and says he was not good, whereas Anderson says a weak AHL-side goal in OT was a perfect shot, 12" off the ice, just inside the post.  Not saying Anderson is not a very good goalie, but he does come with a little more drama than Hammond.

Jesus christ, will you ever stop with this?

We have two very good goalies at this point in time. There's no real point in discussing the goaltending position, as it's the one position we're 100% fine with.

He's not wrong though.  There is some more drama with anderson.  Hamburglar is just very humble and that's a good thing, but each goalie handles adversity their own way.  Anderson doesn't like to be overly critical of himself and that works for him.

That said, the team just flat out plays better when hammond plays....I don't know what it is but results don't lie.

Yes, they have different mentalities.  Anderson has a starting goalie's mentality, and Hammond has a backup goalie's mentality.  Marty Brodeur was a pretty good goalie, and he used to never take blame for any bad goals...it's a strategy for dealing with bad games that goaltending coaches are teaching.  I've posted about this before, directly in response to W.P. Rager posting stuff about how Anderson never takes blame.  This is a circular discussion that leads no where.  

Hammond was the starter for a third of the season, with both the Sens' #1 and #2 on the IR and an ECHL callup as his backup.  Oh and the season on the line.  I realize that's not anywhere near the resume that Anderson has built for himself but it's not nothing.  The more Hammond plays the more I keep thinking, hmm, maybe he's not just a backup.

And look at what happened in the playoffs.

Anyway, I don't want to talk about the goalies anymore. Let's get back to that Duchene trade that will obviously never happen.

spader wrote:

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Trading someone isn't the same as giving up on them.

Fair enough. Semantics aside, it still would make us much weaker on defense by trading Ceci. I however haven't seen Chabot play in person so the only rationale of trading Ceci would be that Murray/Dorion are convinced Chabot will make the team next season and be better.

I guess I'm sick of taking one step forward and two steps back all the time.

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Do any of our D prospects shoot right?  Wikstrand, Chabot, Englund, Harpur, Boyle -- all lefties.  And it took Wideman *how many* years to break through?  

lol

Yeah, not the right Boyle.

tim1_2 wrote:

wprager wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

Michallica wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

wprager wrote:Hammond is very different from Andy in taking blame.  He stops 33 of 35 shots (including two zingers off the head) and says he was not good, whereas Anderson says a weak AHL-side goal in OT was a perfect shot, 12" off the ice, just inside the post.  Not saying Anderson is not a very good goalie, but he does come with a little more drama than Hammond.

Jesus christ, will you ever stop with this?

We have two very good goalies at this point in time. There's no real point in discussing the goaltending position, as it's the one position we're 100% fine with.

He's not wrong though.  There is some more drama with anderson.  Hamburglar is just very humble and that's a good thing, but each goalie handles adversity their own way.  Anderson doesn't like to be overly critical of himself and that works for him.

That said, the team just flat out plays better when hammond plays....I don't know what it is but results don't lie.

Yes, they have different mentalities.  Anderson has a starting goalie's mentality, and Hammond has a backup goalie's mentality.  Marty Brodeur was a pretty good goalie, and he used to never take blame for any bad goals...it's a strategy for dealing with bad games that goaltending coaches are teaching.  I've posted about this before, directly in response to W.P. Rager posting stuff about how Anderson never takes blame.  This is a circular discussion that leads no where.  

Hammond was the starter for a third of the season, with both the Sens' #1 and #2 on the IR and an ECHL callup as his backup.  Oh and the season on the line.  I realize that's not anywhere near the resume that Anderson has built for himself but it's not nothing.  The more Hammond plays the more I keep thinking, hmm, maybe he's not just a backup.

And look at what happened in the playoffs.

Anyway, I don't want to talk about the goalies anymore.  Let's get back to that Duchene trade that will obviously never happen.

Indeed, look at what happened in the playoffs. A lot of people were suggesting that this might happen *to the team* because they would either run out of steam or because just making the playoffs was such a rush. Don't forget that Hammond was the 3rd start in the second game. He played well enough to give his team a chance. Sure, the goal was perhaps soft, but there's no way Galchenyuk should have been allowed to shoot.

Michallica wrote:

spader wrote:

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Trading someone isn't the same as giving up on them.

Fair enough.  Semantics aside, it still would make us much weaker on defense by trading Ceci.  I however haven't seen Chabot play in person so the only rationale of trading Ceci would be that Murray/Dorion are convinced Chabot will make the team next season and be better.  

I guess I'm sick of taking one step forward and two steps back all the time.  

Will it, though? A little, yes, but not that much. Look at Ceci's stats -- they aren't great. Maybe he's being hampered by Weircioch? But just tell me how much worse would we be if we replaced Ceci-Weircioch with Wideman-Cowen. It's hardly a huge drop-off.

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

That trade makes sense. Although I see a team asking for wier before cowen unless they really think they can turn him around. Wilk makes a lot of sense too. He's still not playing isn't he?

wprager wrote:

Michallica wrote:

spader wrote:

Michallica wrote:On the Duchene front, if sens are to trade for him, I would hate to see ceci go.  Not that he's untradeable but I think we get much weaker without him. We keep pining for a right-handed shot and we'd give up on Ceci just as he's starting to improve.  Wouldn't make much sense.

Zibanejad would be the obvious choice going the other way.  As much as I like hoffman, I think he might also be a candidate to be traded.  No contract next year and considering how it went to arbitration last year, he'll be swinging for the fences.  

My guess?  Zibanejad + Cowen + Wikstrand + 2nd rounder

Trading someone isn't the same as giving up on them.

Fair enough.  Semantics aside, it still would make us much weaker on defense by trading Ceci.  I however haven't seen Chabot play in person so the only rationale of trading Ceci would be that Murray/Dorion are convinced Chabot will make the team next season and be better.  

I guess I'm sick of taking one step forward and two steps back all the time.  

Will it, though?  A little, yes, but not that much.  Look at Ceci's stats -- they aren't great.  Maybe he's being hampered by Weircioch?  But just tell me how much worse would we be if we replaced Ceci-Weircioch with Wideman-Cowen.  It's hardly a huge drop-off.

Wideman is, at worst, a modest downgrade on Ceci, if I'm being generous towards Ceci. I'd be more inclined to say that Wideman is as good or better than Ceci though.

You could offer up just about anybody and it makes no difference to me but to worry about losing Ceci when you're getting Duchene is a litte silly.

It would be something like Zibanejad+Ceci for Duchene. Plus take on Greening.