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SpezDispensed wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Ya, I'd say there are maybe 8-10 teams that can afford ROR and of those teams maybe 4-6 that have the assets to make a move.

I can see the Laffs making a move for him but I am not sure they want to give up futures given their current state of disarray.

I think you could re-sign him theoretically.  He'd look for Bobby Ryan money, 7.5 X 8 I assume, which is a lot of loot, but he's damn good.

OK so Bobby Ryan money for a slight upgrade on Zibanejad, point-wise anyway. Add on a little for "intangibles" but let's not get ridiculous. How do you pay that guy more than "Karls" Karlsson? Or Bobby O'Ryan, for that matter? You don't.

Those intangibles are what win championships.  Imagine having two of the top 5 takeaway players on one line?  That's hard to play against.

Bobby Ryan got paid because he was a pending UFA, Karlsson got 6.5 because he was an RFA, huge difference.  With ROR you're paying for UFA years period, no RFA years, straight to UFA years and he'd be worth a fortune on the open market.

Let's see...top line C?  Perhaps, but a perfect 2C.
Plays wing?  Yes.
One of the best two way players in the league?  Yep.
Kills penalties and plays powerplay?  Yep.

Him on the left side with Turris and Stone as the other two forwards, then Zibanejad, MacArthur, Ryan on line 1B,  Pageau, Lazar, Michalek/Puempel or acquisition = three sick lines.

In this case you can trade Hoffman for a defender to replace Ceci if he's gone, or you can put Michalek where Lazar is if he's moved, or you can put Puempel/Prince there.  So many options - all of which looks a hell of a lot better with ROR.

Alas...I doubt we get him.

Then good luck to him!

I'd still take him but I don't see how anyone pictures a lineup that includes both ROR and Zibanejad. I still say they might be swapped if we bag The RORinator.

It's quite simple really.
ROR / zib/ Ryan
Mac/Turris/stone
Hoff/pageau/Lazar or chiasson
Pumpel/smith/lazar or chiasson
Neil condra

Get the Diddle out of the way!
That's a crazy line-up!
Of course it all depends what it costs us to trade for ROR. I think Cowen a first next year and possibly lazar(if you can't make it prince and a 2nd you do it instead obviously.)

ROR plays either LW or centre. And I think zib would probably score even more with a playmaker on his wing.

They'd want Ceci OR Lazar plus a pick I assume.

And yes, Diddle yeah, ROR on LW with Stone and Turris is filthy.

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Dreger, in one of his morning radio interviews, sort of said to keep an eye on either Edmonton or Buffalo swapping a current or developing Top 6 forward for Robin Lehner.

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I'd be surprised if Murray risks sending a goalie to another division rival after Ben Bishop.  

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Dreger, in one of his morning radio interviews, sort of said to keep an eye on either Edmonton or Buffalo swapping a current or developing Top 6 forward for Robin Lehner.

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I'd be surprised if Murray risks sending a goalie to another division rival after Ben Bishop.  

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Ya, I'd say there are maybe 8-10 teams that can afford ROR and of those teams maybe 4-6 that have the assets to make a move.

I can see the Laffs making a move for him but I am not sure they want to give up futures given their current state of disarray.

I think you could re-sign him theoretically.  He'd look for Bobby Ryan money, 7.5 X 8 I assume, which is a lot of loot, but he's damn good.

OK so Bobby Ryan money for a slight upgrade on Zibanejad, point-wise anyway. Add on a little for "intangibles" but let's not get ridiculous. How do you pay that guy more than "Karls" Karlsson? Or Bobby O'Ryan, for that matter? You don't.

Those intangibles are what win championships.  Imagine having two of the top 5 takeaway players on one line?  That's hard to play against.

Bobby Ryan got paid because he was a pending UFA, Karlsson got 6.5 because he was an RFA, huge difference.  With ROR you're paying for UFA years period, no RFA years, straight to UFA years and he'd be worth a fortune on the open market.

Let's see...top line C?  Perhaps, but a perfect 2C.
Plays wing?  Yes.
One of the best two way players in the league?  Yep.
Kills penalties and plays powerplay?  Yep.

Him on the left side with Turris and Stone as the other two forwards, then Zibanejad, MacArthur, Ryan on line 1B,  Pageau, Lazar, Michalek/Puempel or acquisition = three sick lines.

In this case you can trade Hoffman for a defender to replace Ceci if he's gone, or you can put Michalek where Lazar is if he's moved, or you can put Puempel/Prince there.  So many options - all of which looks a hell of a lot better with ROR.

Alas...I doubt we get him.

Then good luck to him!

I'd still take him but I don't see how anyone pictures a lineup that includes both ROR and Zibanejad. I still say they might be swapped if we bag The RORinator.

It's quite simple really.
ROR / zib/ Ryan
Mac/Turris/stone
Hoff/pageau/Lazar or chiasson
Pumpel/smith/lazar or chiasson
Neil condra

Get the Diddle out of the way!
That's a crazy line-up!
Of course it all depends what it costs us to trade for ROR. I think Cowen a first next year and possibly lazar(if you can't make it prince and a 2nd you do it instead obviously.)

ROR plays either LW or centre. And I think zib would probably score even more with a playmaker on his wing.

They'd want Ceci OR Lazar plus a pick I assume.

And yes, Diddle yeah, ROR on LW with Stone and Turris is filthy.

?? Why would you put him with Turris and stone? If anything Turris is a great playmaker. If there's a tiny, bit of playmaking missing it's on the zib line. Zib has that great shot, could use a playmaker even on the wing that sets him up.

I'd rather give up lazar over ceci personally. Maybe I'm wrong. But with nick Paul in the system I find that an area of weakness we have is a solid PMD in the top 4 if we lose ceci. Lazar brings a lot of intangibles but the book is still out on wether he'll ever be a top 6 scoring forward or more of a Solid 3rd liner.

I'm with ssf. I'd start him in bingo so he can figure out his offensive game.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Dreger, in one of his morning radio interviews, sort of said to keep an eye on either Edmonton or Buffalo swapping a current or developing Top 6 forward for Robin Lehner.

more to come

I'd be surprised if Murray risks sending a goalie to another division rival after Ben Bishop.  

The return is way more important than the destination. The only real impact of the Bishop trade is that we got garbage back. The fact that Bishop is in Tampa Bay as opposed to Vancouver makes no real difference.

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Dreger, in one of his morning radio interviews, sort of said to keep an eye on either Edmonton or Buffalo swapping a current or developing Top 6 forward for Robin Lehner.

more to come

I'd be surprised if Murray risks sending a goalie to another division rival after Ben Bishop.  

The return is way more important than the destination. The only real impact of the Bishop trade is that we got garbage back. The fact that Bishop is in Tampa Bay as opposed to Vancouver makes no real difference.

I dunno, I don't like that we set Tampa Bay up in net for a while.  I'd rather not be doing favours.  Yeah, if the return is fantastic, you do it, but what the hell does Buffalo have that's fantastic?

I'd really rather not face Lehner for the next decade if I can avoid it - and I think we can.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Dreger, in one of his morning radio interviews, sort of said to keep an eye on either Edmonton or Buffalo swapping a current or developing Top 6 forward for Robin Lehner.

more to come

I'd be surprised if Murray risks sending a goalie to another division rival after Ben Bishop.  

The return is way more important than the destination. The only real impact of the Bishop trade is that we got garbage back. The fact that Bishop is in Tampa Bay as opposed to Vancouver makes no real difference.

I dunno, I don't like that we set Tampa Bay up in net for a while.  I'd rather not be doing favours.  Yeah, if the return is fantastic, you do it, but what the hell does Buffalo have that's fantastic?

I'd really rather not face Lehner for the next decade if I can avoid it - and I think we can.

So if you trade him to the west and the only possible way you face him in the playoffs is by going to the Cup Final, that's something you wish to avoid too, right?

I agree that Buffalo doesn't have much but I still don't see the problem dealing him in the Conference or Division for the best possible return.

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Ya, I'd say there are maybe 8-10 teams that can afford ROR and of those teams maybe 4-6 that have the assets to make a move.

I can see the Laffs making a move for him but I am not sure they want to give up futures given their current state of disarray.

I think you could re-sign him theoretically.  He'd look for Bobby Ryan money, 7.5 X 8 I assume, which is a lot of loot, but he's damn good.

OK so Bobby Ryan money for a slight upgrade on Zibanejad, point-wise anyway. Add on a little for "intangibles" but let's not get ridiculous. How do you pay that guy more than "Karls" Karlsson? Or Bobby O'Ryan, for that matter? You don't.

Those intangibles are what win championships.  Imagine having two of the top 5 takeaway players on one line?  That's hard to play against.

Bobby Ryan got paid because he was a pending UFA, Karlsson got 6.5 because he was an RFA, huge difference.  With ROR you're paying for UFA years period, no RFA years, straight to UFA years and he'd be worth a fortune on the open market.

Let's see...top line C?  Perhaps, but a perfect 2C.
Plays wing?  Yes.
One of the best two way players in the league?  Yep.
Kills penalties and plays powerplay?  Yep.

Him on the left side with Turris and Stone as the other two forwards, then Zibanejad, MacArthur, Ryan on line 1B,  Pageau, Lazar, Michalek/Puempel or acquisition = three sick lines.

In this case you can trade Hoffman for a defender to replace Ceci if he's gone, or you can put Michalek where Lazar is if he's moved, or you can put Puempel/Prince there.  So many options - all of which looks a hell of a lot better with ROR.

Alas...I doubt we get him.

Then good luck to him!

I'd still take him but I don't see how anyone pictures a lineup that includes both ROR and Zibanejad. I still say they might be swapped if we bag The RORinator.

It's quite simple really.
ROR / zib/ Ryan
Mac/Turris/stone
Hoff/pageau/Lazar or chiasson
Pumpel/smith/lazar or chiasson
Neil condra

Get the Diddle out of the way!
That's a crazy line-up!
Of course it all depends what it costs us to trade for ROR. I think Cowen a first next year and possibly lazar(if you can't make it prince and a 2nd you do it instead obviously.)

ROR plays either LW or centre. And I think zib would probably score even more with a playmaker on his wing.

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Dreger, in one of his morning radio interviews, sort of said to keep an eye on either Edmonton or Buffalo swapping a current or developing Top 6 forward for Robin Lehner.

more to come

I'd be surprised if Murray risks sending a goalie to another division rival after Ben Bishop.  

The return is way more important than the destination. The only real impact of the Bishop trade is that we got garbage back. The fact that Bishop is in Tampa Bay as opposed to Vancouver makes no real difference.

I dunno, I don't like that we set Tampa Bay up in net for a while.  I'd rather not be doing favours.  Yeah, if the return is fantastic, you do it, but what the hell does Buffalo have that's fantastic?

I'd really rather not face Lehner for the next decade if I can avoid it - and I think we can.

So if you trade him to the west and the only possible way you face him in the playoffs is by going to the Cup Final, that's something you wish to avoid too, right?

I agree that Buffalo doesn't have much but I still don't see the problem dealing him in the Conference or Division for the best possible return.

well nothing they'd part with that is.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Dreger, in one of his morning radio interviews, sort of said to keep an eye on either Edmonton or Buffalo swapping a current or developing Top 6 forward for Robin Lehner.

more to come

I'd be surprised if Murray risks sending a goalie to another division rival after Ben Bishop.  

The return is way more important than the destination. The only real impact of the Bishop trade is that we got garbage back. The fact that Bishop is in Tampa Bay as opposed to Vancouver makes no real difference.

I dunno, I don't like that we set Tampa Bay up in net for a while.  I'd rather not be doing favours.  Yeah, if the return is fantastic, you do it, but what the hell does Buffalo have that's fantastic?

I'd really rather not face Lehner for the next decade if I can avoid it - and I think we can.

So if you trade him to the west and the only possible way you face him in the playoffs is by going to the Cup Final, that's something you wish to avoid too, right?

I agree that Buffalo doesn't have much but I still don't see the problem dealing him in the Conference or Division for the best possible return.

well nothing they'd part with that is.

I don't think it's fair that you know who they won't part with and none of the rest of us do. Spill the beans, already!!!!!!

SeawaySensFan wrote:Dreger, in one of his morning radio interviews, sort of said to keep an eye on either Edmonton or Buffalo swapping a current or developing Top 6 forward for Robin Lehner.

more to come

spader wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Dreger, in one of his morning radio interviews, sort of said to keep an eye on either Edmonton or Buffalo swapping a current or developing Top 6 forward for Robin Lehner.

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The Latvian Locomotive, perhaps? 

SpezDispensed wrote:You've got two of the best takeaway artists/2-way players in the league on one line with Turris and it allows MacArthur to shift down to Zibanejad's line and Michalek to move down and Hoffman to be trade bait for a defender.

My personal opinion is  - if you have the 2 Selke style guys on your team, you put them together, but it wouldn't matter I guess, you could put him with Z-Bad.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

spader wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Dreger, in one of his morning radio interviews, sort of said to keep an eye on either Edmonton or Buffalo swapping a current or developing Top 6 forward for Robin Lehner.

more to come

The Latvian Locomotive, perhaps? 

Alllll Abooooaaaaard!!!!

spader wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:You've got two of the best takeaway artists/2-way players in the league on one line with Turris and it allows MacArthur to shift down to Zibanejad's line and Michalek to move down and Hoffman to be trade bait for a defender.

My personal opinion is  - if you have the 2 Selke style guys on your team, you put them together, but it wouldn't matter I guess, you could put him with Z-Bad.

Am I the only one that wants to keep the Hoffer? I think our leading goal-scorer should stay here and keep working on his game. Sure there are holes in his game, but why cut bait now after developing him for five or six years? He demonstrated that he's a goal-scorer at the NHL level. His numbers might be inflated, but he put more pucks in the net than any other Sen. I don't get why everyone seems so interested in moving the guy.

wprager wrote:Impossible to say about Hoffman for sure but he is not going to score another 27 plying 3rd line minutes and not scoring on the PP.  Something will change, either his shooting % or the goalies' SV% -- in other words his PDO will regress to the mean.  So if you find a GM who thinks this is just his rookie season and he will get better, then you won't get a better trade value from him ever again.