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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:
don't think you want to lay too much at his feet, he's in a groove, playing well with the minutes and the role he's in, leave it.  No real upside right now in terms of doing more with Hoffman.

Give him some PP time. Not at the point but down low around the net.

I think they sign him and Zib to similar deals. In the area of 3 years $8-9M. No idea what Chiasson is worth to this team.

I'd even consider switching him and Turris, ie: half Hoffman take the one-timers from the half boards

Chiasson will become trade bait - if he isn't already.  Not a knock on him, he's very good in front of the net and cycles really well, but you could use turning him + say a pick or 2 or other prospect to get an impact winger.  Plus, I assume he's below Stone and Hoffman on the depth chart as far as future top 6 wingers go.

We were talking in passing about perhaps Chiasson + both 2nds this year for ROR if that made sense to Colorado.  My argument was that the Avs could get more, but perhaps they settle on this kind of a deal.

And yes, I agree.  Hoffman can play either the left side of the PP or you could slot him along the half wall so Karlsson opens up some room for him and he can move in and use that lethal shot.  

c'mon spezz. you know better. the Avs are looking for a defense man and a good one at that in any deal which is going to land ROR. that deal won't do it, not by a long shot.

Our biggest assets at the deadline are Phillips (vet leadership and/or defensive depth), Methot (if indications are he won't budge on his salary), Condra (cheap depth forward, good on PK), and to some extent Michalek, Legwand, Smith, Greening (if there is a market for them). I do agree though that our 2nd rd picks do have some value. The Sens ultimately have to decide if we're buyers, sellers, or both. IMO, I think we should use this opportunity to add since the UFA market is slim, the cap is going up, and we have lots of depth players, prospects, and picks to play around with.

SpezDispensed wrote:

NEELY wrote:Interesting Methot is close to resigning, I think both sides might see the writing on the wall here.  1) Sens won't do much better than Methot in UFA and would probably do worse, 2) Method has been injured all year and will not get a long term deal at the salary he believed he might be worth.

If they can come to an agreement of 5 years x 4 mil, or 4 years x 4.5 mil... that should satisfy both sides but we will see.  

I'm expecting 4.5 per year at this point.  He can come down a little for being injured all year.  Probably 3 years, but yeah, bring it on please.

Oglethorpe wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:
don't think you want to lay too much at his feet, he's in a groove, playing well with the minutes and the role he's in, leave it.  No real upside right now in terms of doing more with Hoffman.

Give him some PP time. Not at the point but down low around the net.

I think they sign him and Zib to similar deals. In the area of 3 years $8-9M. No idea what Chiasson is worth to this team.

I'd even consider switching him and Turris, ie: half Hoffman take the one-timers from the half boards

Chiasson will become trade bait - if he isn't already.  Not a knock on him, he's very good in front of the net and cycles really well, but you could use turning him + say a pick or 2 or other prospect to get an impact winger.  Plus, I assume he's below Stone and Hoffman on the depth chart as far as future top 6 wingers go.

We were talking in passing about perhaps Chiasson + both 2nds this year for ROR if that made sense to Colorado.  My argument was that the Avs could get more, but perhaps they settle on this kind of a deal.

And yes, I agree.  Hoffman can play either the left side of the PP or you could slot him along the half wall so Karlsson opens up some room for him and he can move in and use that lethal shot.  

Sure why not trade a developing power forward.  It's not like we've been looking for one since the late '90s.  This fan base has no patience, no wonder Murray keeps talking about being a buyer.  

NEELY wrote:Seriously, people have to be more patient with guys like Chaisson, he's a year and a half to two years in the NHL at this point, on a new team, and on a team that's working hard to try and find an identity, the right roles for players, and just the general struggles of a young team.  Chaisson has NHL speed, size, skill, and work ethic.   Could he be traded?  Yah, in a deal for ROR as a package then yah, you give to get but other than that no, you have patients.

Same with Stone, ups and downs are to be expected.  The only guy on this team that has somehow come in and done everything at an NHL level none stop is Ceci... how?  No idea, I was never high on him before or after he was drafted but what he's done is nothing short of amazing.  He's the exception, not the rule.

SpezDispensed wrote:I really don't think some people get how this 'retool' is going to be completed.  You make a list of your core players, then you look for holes in the lineup and you make major trades to fill them.  Is Chiasson a core guy?  Perhaps, but not moreso than say Hoffman or Stone is proving to be, so is he the guy to go?  Deduction says probably.

I think it's cute that people think we can trot out Puempel + Smith + Wiercioch + 2nd and get an impact forward.

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I really don't think some people get how this 'retool' is going to be completed.  You make a list of your core players, then you look for holes in the lineup and you make major trades to fill them.  Is Chiasson a core guy?  Perhaps, but not moreso than say Hoffman or Stone is proving to be, so is he the guy to go?  Deduction says probably.

I think it's cute that people think we can trot out Puempel + Smith + Wiercioch + 2nd and get an impact forward.

I think it's cute that you think there's an impact forward really available.

SpezDispensed wrote:I really don't think some people get how this 'retool' is going to be completed.  You make a list of your core players, then you look for holes in the lineup and you make major trades to fill them.  Is Chiasson a core guy?  Perhaps, but not moreso than say Hoffman or Stone is proving to be, so is he the guy to go?  Deduction says probably.

I think it's cute that people think we can trot out Puempel + Smith + Wiercioch + 2nd and get an impact forward.

SpezDispensed wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:
don't think you want to lay too much at his feet, he's in a groove, playing well with the minutes and the role he's in, leave it.  No real upside right now in terms of doing more with Hoffman.

Give him some PP time. Not at the point but down low around the net.

I think they sign him and Zib to similar deals. In the area of 3 years $8-9M. No idea what Chiasson is worth to this team.

I'd even consider switching him and Turris, ie: half Hoffman take the one-timers from the half boards

Chiasson will become trade bait - if he isn't already.  Not a knock on him, he's very good in front of the net and cycles really well, but you could use turning him + say a pick or 2 or other prospect to get an impact winger.  Plus, I assume he's below Stone and Hoffman on the depth chart as far as future top 6 wingers go.

We were talking in passing about perhaps Chiasson + both 2nds this year for ROR if that made sense to Colorado.  My argument was that the Avs could get more, but perhaps they settle on this kind of a deal.

And yes, I agree.  Hoffman can play either the left side of the PP or you could slot him along the half wall so Karlsson opens up some room for him and he can move in and use that lethal shot.  

Sure why not trade a developing power forward.  It's not like we've been looking for one since the late '90s.  This fan base has no patience, no wonder Murray keeps talking about being a buyer.  

Did I say trade him for the sake of trading him?  Or did I clearly say we need an upgrade in our top 6 and he's the bait?  

Cap'n Clutch wrote:You might say that the Chiass-is-ON?

Oglethorpe wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:
don't think you want to lay too much at his feet, he's in a groove, playing well with the minutes and the role he's in, leave it.  No real upside right now in terms of doing more with Hoffman.

Give him some PP time. Not at the point but down low around the net.

I think they sign him and Zib to similar deals. In the area of 3 years $8-9M. No idea what Chiasson is worth to this team.

I'd even consider switching him and Turris, ie: half Hoffman take the one-timers from the half boards

Chiasson will become trade bait - if he isn't already.  Not a knock on him, he's very good in front of the net and cycles really well, but you could use turning him + say a pick or 2 or other prospect to get an impact winger.  Plus, I assume he's below Stone and Hoffman on the depth chart as far as future top 6 wingers go.

We were talking in passing about perhaps Chiasson + both 2nds this year for ROR if that made sense to Colorado.  My argument was that the Avs could get more, but perhaps they settle on this kind of a deal.

And yes, I agree.  Hoffman can play either the left side of the PP or you could slot him along the half wall so Karlsson opens up some room for him and he can move in and use that lethal shot.  

Sure why not trade a developing power forward.  It's not like we've been looking for one since the late '90s.  This fan base has no patience, no wonder Murray keeps talking about being a buyer.  

Did I say trade him for the sake of trading him?  Or did I clearly say we need an upgrade in our top 6 and he's the bait?  

It's a stupid move either way, Chaisson may become the power forward we have never had, give him 2 or 3 more years and he could be special.  

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:You might say that the Chiass-is-ON?