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Ev wrote:Paajarvi on waivers as well

Yes, please.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Ev wrote:Paajarvi on waivers as well

Yes, please.

that's a bit of a surprise.

Wiercioch out, Phillips in. OK, good. Now let's keep him with Gryba.

Flo The Action wrote:it's twice now that i read that the sens might be linked to nail yakupov... for better or worse. his value is way down so I doubt they would offer much the oilers would want. personally i'm not sure i'd want him but he's a high risk, high reward type of trade. if it would pan out we could benefit largely.
i'm not sure what type of offer we would have to make. i'm sure they'd want Cowen but maybe a mix of Patty Weir with dallas second and smith or pageau? I dunno, that's probably not good enough.

I think you're over-valuing Yakupov. Keep in mind he's the stereotypical candidate for booking it to the KHL, and he's been a huge disappointment ever since being drafted by the Oilers. His worth is at an all-time low and his ceiling is nowhere near the rest of Edm's young stars.

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Ev wrote:Paajarvi on waivers as well

Yes, please.

that's a bit of a surprise.

I'd take a chance in a heartbeat. IMO, I'd prefer we traded for him (1 for 1) than picking him up on waivers, but I think STL is doing it so they can add Elliott back to the active roster.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Ev wrote:Paajarvi on waivers as well

Yes, please.

that's a bit of a surprise.

I'd take a chance in a heartbeat. IMO, I'd prefer we traded for him (1 for 1) than picking him up on waivers, but I think STL is doing it so they can add Elliott back to the active roster.

Also $1.2M (or closer to $800K for the rest of the season) with RFA rights at the end of the season. Be stupid not to add him for free and give him a shot.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Ev wrote:Paajarvi on waivers as well

Yes, please.

that's a bit of a surprise.

I'd take a chance in a heartbeat. IMO, I'd prefer we traded for him (1 for 1) than picking him up on waivers, but I think STL is doing it so they can add Elliott back to the active roster.

Also $1.2M (or closer to $800K for the rest of the season) with RFA rights at the end of the season. Be stupid not to add him for free and give him a shot.

LET'S DO IT!!!!

Paajarvi is a good add if you take him for what he is, a bottom 6 guy ala Condra or Michalek

Ev wrote:Paajarvi is a good add if you take him for what he is, a bottom 6 guy ala Condra or Michalek

Agree completely. The issue is adding more players to an already over-saturated roster. You would ultimately need to move Michalek or Smith for this to work.

I still think you need to find Turris a bonafide RW. Stone is good, but he's not the dominant forward this group needs.

By the way the Sens PP has been awful, lately. Maybe the fact that our leading goal scorer has zero PP points has something to do with it. And that may have something to do with PP ice time.

Hoffman is 10th on the team in PP TOI per game. The forwards ahead of him (highest to lowest) are Turris, Ryan, MacArthur, Legwand, Zibanejad, Chiasson, Stone, Michalek.

Perhaps a slight adjustment needs to be made.

Our forwards don't have enough skill period. We pretty much stay in the opposing zone for the whole PP but nobody's good enough to put the puck in the net.

Here are some other interesting numbers.  Power Play points per 60 (PP Pts divided by total PP TOI and then multiplied by 60).

Chris Neil with his 1 points in just under 4 minutes of PP ice time is more than 2x ahead of the 2nd highest.  But I think it's safe to toss his 15.06 out due to the very low sample size.  After that it goes like this:

Erik Karlsson                      6.132182603
Milan Michalek                    5.39083558
David Legwand                   5.11605874
Mark Stone                        4.132231405
Kyle Turris                         4.091490269
Mika Zibanejad                  4.04873477
Bobby Ryan                       3.967879074
Alex Chiasson                    2.88
Clarke MacArthur               2.7178016
Cody Ceci 1.922050187
Mike Hoffman 0


Surprising, isn't it.  MacArthur is the third highest forward in terms of PP ice time and he's producing dead-last (other than Hoffman -- but it's possible Hoffman just needs more PP ice time).  Stone and Michalek are the two lowest (ahead of Hoffman) yet their normalized production is way up there. 

Now, those stats don't show the full picture (quality of competition, for example) but what this tells me is play Legwand/Michalek/Stone more than MacArthur and Chiasson (I'd keep Ryan in as he's a proven scorer and we really need to get him started). 

And I'd still like to get Hoffman in there more.  His speed and shot are needed.

wprager wrote:By the way the Sens PP has been awful, lately.  Maybe the fact that our leading goal scorer has zero PP points has something to do with it.  And that may have something to do with PP ice time.

Hoffman is 10th on the team in PP TOI per game.  The forwards ahead of him (highest to lowest) are Turris, Ryan, MacArthur, Legwand, Zibanejad, Chiasson, Stone, Michalek.  

Perhaps a slight adjustment needs to be made.

Likely because they are missing The Neiler.

LeCaptain wrote:Our forwards don't have enough skill period. We pretty much stay in the opposing zone for the whole PP but nobody's good enough to put the puck in the net.

Yet they have pretty much the same amount of power play goals as Chicago, tampa, philly and more than Dallas, anaheim, colorado, etc

That's why you have to consider yak. Sure there's some red flags on him but you have to think it's worth it depending on what we gave to give up for him. I'm sure the oilers are still asking too much in return still

LeCaptain wrote:Our forwards don't have enough skill period. We pretty much stay in the opposing zone for the whole PP but nobody's good enough to put the puck in the net.

Disagree. Zibanejad, Hoffman, Ryan, Stone can be lethal (hard/accurate shot, quick release). Zibanejad and Karlsson (Ryan, too?) can fire one-timers. Problem has to be in the PP itself. Who has which role? Positioning. Movement. We have the right tools.

wprager wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:Our forwards don't have enough skill period. We pretty much stay in the opposing zone for the whole PP but nobody's good enough to put the puck in the net.

Disagree. Zibanejad, Hoffman, Ryan, Stone can be lethal (hard/accurate shot, quick release). Zibanejad and Karlsson (Ryan, too?) can fire one-timers. Problem has to be in the PP itself. Who has which role? Positioning. Movement. We have the right tools.

Ottawa hasn't established a down-low presence on the PP. Their plan is to get the puck back to Karlsson or to Turris on the side boards, shoot, and hope to get a rebound in. They need to start creating chances from the goal-line out, not through a bunch of perimeter passes that end up with a shot missing the net.

Ev wrote:

LeCaptain wrote:Our forwards don't have enough skill period. We pretty much stay in the opposing zone for the whole PP but nobody's good enough to put the puck in the net.

Yet they have pretty much the same amount of power play goals as Chicago, tampa, philly  and more than Dallas, anaheim, colorado, etc

Overall the Sens PP is not bad. It's been very cold recently, though, and the people getting the ice time are not necessarily the ones getting the points.