Ottawa Prospect Number 7

Yeah lol, I'd say the Turris trade is pretty simply now.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/senators-prospect-nick-paul-makes-strong-impression-team-052930397.html

NEELY wrote:No... it really couldn't have.  Rundblad was awful and people just liked the idea of another highly skilled D man... he was no where near NHL ready nor is he now.  Guy won't make it, was never going to make it, and he's just about done now.  

Turris was a guy breaking out in the NHL playoffs during that same time, a guy that was being held back.  It was a no brainer then, it's even simpler now.

The Spezza trade is similar, people love their player and believed he was worth more than he actually was.  Can't get passed the names involved because they weren't 1st rounders.  It's possible the Sens end up with 4 NHL players out of that trade for Spezza who's career could very well go off a cliff in the near future.

We don't have to go back. You loved rundblad in Sweden just like everybody else. Then you soured on him like others did. I loved the Turris deal.

The spezza trade is good and people are hypocrites when they say we gave up a ton for Ryan yet got nothing for for spezza.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:No... it really couldn't have.  Rundblad was awful and people just liked the idea of another highly skilled D man... he was no where near NHL ready nor is he now.  Guy won't make it, was never going to make it, and he's just about done now.  

Turris was a guy breaking out in the NHL playoffs during that same time, a guy that was being held back.  It was a no brainer then, it's even simpler now.

The Spezza trade is similar, people love their player and believed he was worth more than he actually was.  Can't get passed the names involved because they weren't 1st rounders.  It's possible the Sens end up with 4 NHL players out of that trade for Spezza who's career could very well go off a cliff in the near future.

We don't have to go back. You loved rundblad in Sweden just like everybody else. Then you soured on him like others did. I loved the Turris deal.

The spezza trade is good and people are hypocrites when they say we gave up a ton for Ryan yet got nothing for for spezza.

Saw him play about 2 games and thought to myself "the SEL is an overrated league".

You're right about the people being total hypocrites though, somehow Silfverberg (who was the main piece) is soooooooo much better than Chaisson when in fact Chaisson thus far has been the better NHLer and plays way more of a North American game. Noesen is a guy I liked but does he have more value than Paul as of today? No chance... was he a bigger piece at the time? Sure but Paul did the EXACT same thing as Noesen did in the OHL to get noticed and taken in the 1st round but Paul is some scrub that is just a throw in? Right.

Spezza deal and Ryan deal are very similar but Ottawa had a rough season and the 1st rounder ended up being 10th... oh well.

Dallas gave up more getting Spezza than we did getting Ryan, though the 1st rd pick we gave up to Anaheim ended up really hurting.

It always comes back to that first round, a top ten pick. It starts and ends there. In a couple of years we may be able to say with more certainty, but for more that first rounder is the trump card. Everyone from Murray to all the analysts to the game of both teams were saying the Sens didn't get enough for Spezza.

On Rundblad, go back and check my posts. I was impressed with his record setting season, until I went to check who the other highest scoring defensemen were in the SEL. Out of the top ten or so (single season scoring) I recognized one name -- some fringe player who lasted a couple of seasons in the NHL. High scoring forwards in the SEL often do well here, but not so for defensemen.

On Silfverberg, of course he had more value than anyone in the Spezza trade. He just won everything in the SEL, broke Alfie'a record, and made Price look like a rookie with that lethal release.

Value at trade time it's very different than not, of course.

Ryan is still getting better. Spezza is declining. Spezza is one more serious back injury away from being a cripple.

Can't declare either trade a "success" for Ottawa yet anyway.

wprager wrote:It always comes back to that first round, a top ten pick.  It starts and ends there.  In a couple of years we may be able to say with more certainty, but for more that first rounder is the trump card.  Everyone from Murray to all the analysts to the game of both teams were saying the Sens didn't get enough for Spezza.

On Rundblad, go back and check my posts.  I was impressed with his record setting season, until I went to check who the other highest scoring defensemen were in the SEL.  Out of the top ten or so (single season scoring) I recognized one name -- some fringe player who lasted a couple of seasons in the NHL. High scoring forwards in the SEL often do well here, but not so for defensemen.  

On Silfverberg, of course he had more value than anyone in the Spezza trade.  He just won everything in the SEL, broke Alfie'a record, and made Price look like a rookie with that lethal release.  

Value at trade time it's very different than not, of course.

Value to who? It's completely in the eye of the beholder.

tim1_2 wrote:Ryan is still getting better.  Spezza is declining.  Spezza is one more serious back injury away from being a cripple.  

Can't declare either trade a "success" for Ottawa yet anyway.  

Thats's the other point... Ryan had way more value than Spezza.

We will see.

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