Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion

LeKing wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

LeKing wrote:

wprager wrote:First time I've had to go "Huh??" after something Bobby Mac said:

"With Kesler out there, that's a center that most teams will target before they go after Spezza.” ~ Bob McKenzie on Insider Trading

The rest of the hockey world knows what kind of players succeed in the playoffs.

If that's what the measuring stick it's Spezza and his 52 pts in 56 games over Kesler's mere 38 pts. in 57 games by a country mile.   

I'm not even gonna go into the defensive side of things, but how about we stop taking stats from 7 years ago   

Since 09-10:
Kesler : 46 GP, 34 pts
Spezza: 16 GP, 13 pts

SO, what works in the playoffs? How about winning some games   

Sure. Let's do that and while we're at it, let's count the last 2 years in which both players were in the playoffs.   

Kesler : 9 GP, 5 pts
Spezza: 10 GP, 6 pts

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Be careful. Who's to say Vancouver isn't interested in Spezza with Kesler coming back. He was an ideal 2nd line center until injuries caught up with him and he stopped producing - but so did the rest of the team. Kesler is a cap hit of only $5M next season and the year after, and he'd replace our requirement for a gritty, two-way power forward.

Would you? Kesler for Spezza straight up.

Few produced on Tortorella's Canucks. The team was a train wreck. I think you look past last season when considering Kesler. I also think his 70+ point seasons were examples of him overachieving, and I think he's more of a 50-60 point guy. I think he'd be a very good player for the Sens if he came aboard. Of course, his No-Trade is pretty restrictive, and it's unlikely he'd have Ottawa on his go-to list.

I'd love to have Kesler, but that body of his is not gonna hold out. He plays that style of hockey that isn't condusive to long careers. I'd like to trade Spezza for him, but deep down I think that's probably a mistake in the long term.

SpezDispenser wrote:I'd love to have Kesler, but that body of his is not gonna hold out.  He plays that style of hockey that isn't condusive to long careers.  I'd like to trade Spezza for him, but deep down I think that's probably a mistake in the long term.

Kesler would love to have you as well, old friend.

I'd also really like to keep Hemsky. No reason for us not to offer him a 5 million dollar X 3 contract - although I'm sure someone will beat that. That guy competed really hard here and was never hesitent to drive the net and go to the dirty areas.

LeKing wrote:

wprager wrote:First time I've had to go "Huh??" after something Bobby Mac said:

"With Kesler out there, that's a center that most teams will target before they go after Spezza.” ~ Bob McKenzie on Insider Trading

The rest of the hockey world knows what kind of players succeed in the playoffs.

He certainly doesn't succeed on the score sheet. Under a 0.5 PPG player in the playoffs, so his offensive production takes a drop after the regular season.

Plus he's a diver.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:Oh we talking about Spezza's points again?  Always a fun discussion.

Isn't it?   

We don't have to talk about *Spezza's* points, but we can talk about Kesler's points. In the post-season his production takes a significant drop.

I'd consider the majority of posters as knowledgeable, so I am not sure what the fuss is about Kesler being more of a trade target that Spezza. The only knock that Spezza has that Kesler doesn't is one less year on his contract. I guess Keslet is also a year younger....

SpezDispenser wrote:I'd also really like to keep Hemsky.  No reason for us not to offer him a 5 million dollar X 3 contract - although I'm sure someone will beat that.  That guy competed really hard here and was never hesitent to drive the net and go to the dirty areas.

We'll see how well Hemsky does once he signs his deal.

wprager wrote:

LeKing wrote:

wprager wrote:First time I've had to go "Huh??" after something Bobby Mac said:

"With Kesler out there, that's a center that most teams will target before they go after Spezza.” ~ Bob McKenzie on Insider Trading

The rest of the hockey world knows what kind of players succeed in the playoffs.

He certainly doesn't succeed on the score sheet.  Under a 0.5 PPG player in the playoffs, so his offensive production takes a drop after the regular season.  

Plus he's a diver.

Get with the times, Rager. Offensive production is irrelevant in the playoffs.

NEELY wrote:Can't wait until he is traded and out of sight out of mind.

Hear f'ing hear.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I'd consider the majority of posters as knowledgeable, so I am not sure what the fuss is about Kesler being more of a trade target that Spezza. The only knock that Spezza has that Kesler doesn't is one less year on his contract. I guess Keslet is also a year younger....

Kesler plays the game a lot tougher than Spezza. He doesn't have the talent that Spezza has, but he can score when healthy, he's a pain in the arse to play against, he's a good forechecker, he's a strong hitter, he plays both sides of the puck. Spezza doesn't do that.

So, if you want a more all around player, you go for Kesler. If you want offense you go with Spezza.

This is all pretty moot though because Kesler has only 6 teams he'll agree to go to.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'd also really like to keep Hemsky.  No reason for us not to offer him a 5 million dollar X 3 contract - although I'm sure someone will beat that.  That guy competed really hard here and was never hesitent to drive the net and go to the dirty areas.

We'll see how well Hemsky does once he signs his deal.

Will he end up with the same team that Spezza does, if that team is a playoff team. Hemsky wants to play in the playoffs. The Sens aren't there this season.

sandysensfan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'd also really like to keep Hemsky.  No reason for us not to offer him a 5 million dollar X 3 contract - although I'm sure someone will beat that.  That guy competed really hard here and was never hesitent to drive the net and go to the dirty areas.

We'll see how well Hemsky does once he signs his deal.

Will he end up with the same team that Spezza does, if that team is a playoff team.  Hemsky wants to play in the playoffs.  The Sens aren't there this season.

God damn I'm sick of people saying that. How the heck do you know that? You must be one heck of a GM in training to be able to assess a team that hasn't even made its moves yet and say they're not making the playoffs - particularly one that made the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years.

Very impressive stuff. Didn't we make the playoffs in the shortened season without Spezza? Didn't the team buy into the system MacLean was preaching without Spezza and without Karlsson for the most part?

No one expects Anderson and Lehner to post the numbers they did when we made it in the shortened season, but they are two quality goalies who need some semblence of support to do their job. Last season we had D-men crapping their pants, we had forwards cheating out of the zone early and we had a Captain that not only didn't play the system, but flat out sucked 5 on 5 - and his +/- bears that out pretty accurately for once.

We had Michalek playing like Dung for half the season and we didn't have a proper winger for that line from the start.

I'd say that's all something that can be remedied personally. Don't you?

I'd also say that Cowen's due to have a much better year. Karlsson's due to have a huge year.

Have some bloody faith. And you're a Sens fan to boot.   

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'd also really like to keep Hemsky.  No reason for us not to offer him a 5 million dollar X 3 contract - although I'm sure someone will beat that.  That guy competed really hard here and was never hesitent to drive the net and go to the dirty areas.

We'll see how well Hemsky does once he signs his deal.

I don't see why he'd be any different really. He needed a change of scenary - and I think it's pretty obvious he needed away from Eakins. I like him, I think he'll succeed big time if he doesn't encounter injuries.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'd also really like to keep Hemsky.  No reason for us not to offer him a 5 million dollar X 3 contract - although I'm sure someone will beat that.  That guy competed really hard here and was never hesitent to drive the net and go to the dirty areas.

We'll see how well Hemsky does once he signs his deal.

I don't see why he'd be any different really. He needed a change of scenary - and I think it's pretty obvious he needed away from Eakins. I like him, I think he'll succeed big time if he doesn't encounter injuries.

Hemsky's career comparable: Martin Havlat

sandysensfan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'd also really like to keep Hemsky.  No reason for us not to offer him a 5 million dollar X 3 contract - although I'm sure someone will beat that.  That guy competed really hard here and was never hesitent to drive the net and go to the dirty areas.

We'll see how well Hemsky does once he signs his deal.

Will he end up with the same team that Spezza does, if that team is a playoff team.  Hemsky wants to play in the playoffs.  The Sens aren't there this season.

Holy frig man, can people stop talking about Hemsky like he's going to follow Spezza or that him and Spezza have instantly become best friends.  They looked ok together when the season was basically over, that's it.  Hemsky isn't worth 5.5 mil on a long term deal, Spezza isn't worth 7 plus mil on a long term deal, the Sens are saying bye to both.  Maybe they somehow end up on the same team, cool beans.  Those two players would keep Ottawa from doing what they organization needs to do and that's wipe the slate clean and focus on the new core of players coming in.

As for the Sens aren't being there... well there's a chance because they don't have Spezza.  It amazes me how you and a lot of other people can claim the Sens "suck" or "won't be able to compete" with the other teams in the East.  Who were the 2 conference finalist again?  Montreal and NYR?  Was that the same Montreal team they beat in 5 games last year?  Think so.  Is it the same Ranger team they took to 7 games 2 seasons ago?  Pretty much.  The Sens have as solid a foundation as any team in the NHL... only thing they MIGHT be missing is some scoring on the wings and even then they have some guys coming up ready to challenge for a spot.

Sandy, you should change your name to chicken little because I have never seen so many posts crying about something, why this doesn't work, why that doesn't work, why the Sens will suck, why the Sens will forever be ruined.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I'd also really like to keep Hemsky.  No reason for us not to offer him a 5 million dollar X 3 contract - although I'm sure someone will beat that.  That guy competed really hard here and was never hesitent to drive the net and go to the dirty areas.

We'll see how well Hemsky does once he signs his deal.

I don't see why he'd be any different really.  He needed a change of scenary - and I think it's pretty obvious he needed away from Eakins.  I like him, I think he'll succeed big time if he doesn't encounter injuries.

Hemsky's career comparable: Martin Havlat

Maybe, but without the near career ending injuries to shoulders, no? I might be wrong. It actually doesn't sound that far-fetched.

That's why I wanted him on a 3 year deal personally.