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Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion

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196Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 5:43 pm

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wprager wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
wprager wrote:Interesting article here:
http://www.silversevensens.com/2014/5/13/5711884/why-trading-jason-spezza-might-not-be-so-great-after-all

Early on NEELY was all over Spezza for not being able to produce 5-on-5.  Well, guess what, he's 2nd on the team when adjusted for ice time (Ryan is first).  Here's the full table:

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Look at Conacher up there above Karlsson.  Look at Condra!  Proof positive that stats lie, right?

Then the 5-on-4 numbers have Spezza on top, followed by Karlsson and, umm, Phillips?  

BTW, Wiercioch is on both lists -- 10th 5-on-5 and 4th 5-on-4.

All that is great, but also consider how much of a horrendous defensive liability Spezza is when on the ice 5 on 5.

Point was that NEELY was pounding the table on how bad Spezza's 5-5 production was and how he was getting most of his points on the PP.  Actually, he may have been talking about Spezza's goal production, not points.

No one here is arguing that Spezza can't put up points. It's the fact that he's a defensive liability and a turnover machine that has made him public enemy #1

197Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 5:43 pm

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Actually it was his 5 on 5 play more so than his production. His 5 on 5 play was awful most of the year.

198Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 6:18 pm

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NEELY wrote:Actually it was his 5 on 5 play more so than his production.  His 5 on 5 play was awful most of the year.

Agreed. His 5 on 5 point production is definitely overshadowed by his lackluster 5 on 5 defensive play.

199Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 6:38 pm

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Weber's contract is front-loaded. He's earning $14M each of the next two years, and another $12M the two years after that. No way Melnyk absorbs that salary. It's more than the entire Turris line combined!

Sportsnet is reporting that Spezza is interested in St. Louis: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-rumours-roundup-latest-hearsay-from-around-the-national-hockey-league/.

I'd imagine that any deal with Stl begins with Berglund and a 1st. Maybe add in Ty Rattie? Not sure Sens would entertain that offer, but I am personally a big Berglund fan.

The most intriguing team to me is Florida. Lots of interesting players like Barkov, Gudbranson, Huberdeau, Pirri, Bjugstad, Kulikov, Hayes, Trocheck, 1st overall pick, etc available.

I won't speculate on a trade but I'd imagine Gudbranson and Bjugstad could be had - maybe even the 1st overall pick if we sweeten the deal.
those are not going anywhere. you can bet on that. i'd be immensely surprised if Bjugstad goes anywhere either.

200Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 7:19 pm

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Agreed that Huberdeau and Barkov probably stay in Florida but I don't think Gudbranson is untouchable.

201Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 7:30 pm

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NEELY wrote:Actually it was his 5 on 5 play more so than his production.  His 5 on 5 play was awful most of the year.

Nah, I distinctly remember you saying how he could not produce 5 on 5.

Again, this was earlier in the season and it may have been goals and not points.


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202Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 7:58 pm

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Said goals for sure, he has 1 in something like 25 games at ES.

203Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 8:52 pm

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The Blues will get him just to avoid letting him go to Chicago/LA/Anaheim/Dallas...

204Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 9:22 pm

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LeKing wrote:The Blues will get him just to avoid letting him go to Chicago/LA/Anaheim/Dallas...
Never thought of it that way.. Let the bidding begin...

205Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 9:52 pm

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LeKing wrote:The Blues will get him just to avoid letting him go to Chicago/LA/Anaheim/Dallas...
to be honest if there is a bidding war between those(well not chicago) then i'm sorry but berglund isn't what i'm asking for. i'm asking for a better player. Tarasanko, would love schwartz even though i can't see how that would happen.

206Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 10:14 pm

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Flo The Action wrote:
LeKing wrote:The Blues will get him just to avoid letting him go to Chicago/LA/Anaheim/Dallas...
to be honest if there is a bidding war between those(well not chicago) then i'm sorry but berglund isn't what i'm asking for. i'm asking for a better player. Tarasanko, would love schwartz even though i can't see how that would happen.

You have to give something to get something.

207Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Tue May 13, 2014 10:38 pm

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Oshie and Schwartz are better assets than Spezza in their respective careers so forget it. We're probably gonna do a Spezza+ Gryba for Shattenkirk+ kind of deal

208Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 14, 2014 8:12 am

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LeKing wrote:The Blues will get him just to avoid letting him go to Chicago/LA/Anaheim/Dallas...

If you think Chicago would take him on, you're crazy. But yeah, the rest of the teams you mention could certainly all take a run at Spezza.

209Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 14, 2014 8:16 am

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I wonder how much of a bidding war will really happen... he only has 1 year left... gonna be close to a rental situation.

210Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 14, 2014 8:22 am

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shabbs wrote:I wonder how much of a bidding war will really happen... he only has 1 year left... gonna be close to a rental situation.


Yeah, his contract situation coupled with his injury history certainly affect his trade value, but if you have 4 or 5 teams interested, that could help drive up the price. Super-interesting leading into the draft.

211Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 14, 2014 8:36 am

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tim1_2 wrote:
LeKing wrote:The Blues will get him just to avoid letting him go to Chicago/LA/Anaheim/Dallas...

If you think Chicago would take him on, you're crazy.  But yeah, the rest of the teams you mention could certainly all take a run at Spezza.  

Sure they would. They have no depth behind Toews

212Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 14, 2014 8:42 am

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Ev wrote:
tim1_2 wrote:
LeKing wrote:The Blues will get him just to avoid letting him go to Chicago/LA/Anaheim/Dallas...

If you think Chicago would take him on, you're crazy.  But yeah, the rest of the teams you mention could certainly all take a run at Spezza.  

Sure they would. They have no depth behind Toews

No cap room at all for him. Unless they could get him signed to a contract under $6M, I just can't see it happening.

213Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 14 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 14, 2014 8:58 am

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There will be teams that want Spezza and you just hope he waives for all teams out West.

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