Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion

SpezDispenser wrote:The singular best thing that can happen is that we allow the team to negotiate an extension with him and that he wants to sign it with whatever team is stepping up.  Then you're looking at maximum return.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:Well 19 but who's counting?

If Spezza is going to be in high demand then that is nothing but good.

Exactly. So the real question is what's Spezza's value?
- 30+ years old
- Chronic back injury
- Terrible plus/minus
- Poor defensive player
- Two back-to-back years of poor production (lockout + this season except for the end)
- One year left on his contract
- Elite player?
- Team Leader?

I don't think it's fair to compare the Spezza trade to the Ryan trade. I think at most you're getting a solid roster player and a high-end prospect in return. That is unless there really is a large market and you start a bidding war.

If Friedman is stating that Spezza will be traded prior to the draft then for all we know they already have a trade in place.

spader wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:The singular best thing that can happen is that we allow the team to negotiate an extension with him and that he wants to sign it with whatever team is stepping up.  Then you're looking at maximum return.

Or they can let the interested teams talk to him about the potential of re-signing. They're allowed to do that under the new CBA. That might be enough to maximize the return.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

spader wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:The singular best thing that can happen is that we allow the team to negotiate an extension with him and that he wants to sign it with whatever team is stepping up.  Then you're looking at maximum return.

Or they can let the interested teams talk to him about the potential of re-signing. They're allowed to do that under the new CBA. That might be enough to maximize the return.

Totally agree. It sounds like they will handle this situation in a much more professional manner than the Alfie situation.

spader wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

spader wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:The singular best thing that can happen is that we allow the team to negotiate an extension with him and that he wants to sign it with whatever team is stepping up.  Then you're looking at maximum return.

Or they can let the interested teams talk to him about the potential of re-signing. They're allowed to do that under the new CBA. That might be enough to maximize the return.

Totally agree. It sounds like they will handle this situation in a much more professional manner than the Alfie situation.

I wish we had more details on that. I'm still unclear. Has anything new come to light on the Alfie breakdown?

spader wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:Well 19 but who's counting?

If Spezza is going to be in high demand then that is nothing but good.

Exactly. So the real question is what's Spezza's value?
- 30+ years old
- Chronic back injury
- Terrible plus/minus
- Poor defensive player
- Two back-to-back years of poor production (lockout + this season except for the end)
- One year left on his contract
- Elite player?
- Team Leader?

I don't think it's fair to compare the Spezza trade to the Ryan trade. I think at most you're getting a solid roster player and a high-end prospect in return. That is unless there really is a large market and you start a bidding war.

If Friedman is stating that Spezza will be traded prior to the draft then for all we know they already have a trade in place.

It's easy to undervalue any player when you only list negatives.  

tim1_2 wrote:Friedman said on TGOR this morning that he expects Spezza to be traded before the draft.

SpezDispenser wrote:It's happening.  We're not paying Spezza 50 million dollars to play here for the next 7 years, so it's happening.  We can't let him walk for nothing, so it's happening.  We can't risk him getting hurt and not being able to deal him at the deadline.

Etc. etc. etc.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Nashville is 100% the team that makes the most sense, there is no question in my mind about that one but the big question there is will Spezza waive for Nashville?  IMO he damn well should because that's the kind of place he could be somewhat of the guy (Weber and Renne run the show) and be totally invisible off the ice.

I used to think Wilson is a guy you would want on the wing on your top 2 lines but his lack of aggressiveness for his size and the way he is build to play the game makes him a huge question mark, I would try and avoid him plus they have that player in Mark Stone.  You would probably have a choice between Forsberg and Jarnkrok but not totally sure which one to pick there, you would also be getting Nashville's 1st (hopefully next year) but probably this year.  The prospect I would want would be Salomaki, not a huge guy but plays with an edge and he is kind of in the mold of a Lazar but not the high end potential either.

So basically if they could swing Spezza for Jarnkrok/Forsberg, Salomaki, and a 1st I think the Sens should be taking that and putting it to good use.

That's pretty bad, you're not even getting one established player in return. I'd trade him for Fisher, Hornqvist, or one of their d-men.

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:It's happening.  We're not paying Spezza 50 million dollars to play here for the next 7 years, so it's happening.  We can't let him walk for nothing, so it's happening.  We can't risk him getting hurt and not being able to deal him at the deadline.

Etc. etc. etc.

So part of the reason that Spezza is traded is Owner finances.  Part is his health going forward.. and the team doesn't want to commit to a long term contract.  

I get the health part and agree a 6 or 7 yr contract with Spezza is risky.  

But I don't want to see this team start losing key players.. like Alfie & Spezza .. solely because of the Cussing Owner and his lack of money...

NEELY wrote:Well 19 but who's counting?

If Spezza is going to be in high demand then that is nothing but good.

sandysensfan wrote:

NEELY wrote:Well 19 but who's counting?

If Spezza is going to be in high demand then that is nothing but good.

IF that is true.. why do so many teams value him.. and his current team doesn't?  Makes no sense to me...

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

spader wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:Well 19 but who's counting?

If Spezza is going to be in high demand then that is nothing but good.

Exactly. So the real question is what's Spezza's value?
- 30+ years old
- Chronic back injury
- Terrible plus/minus
- Poor defensive player
- Two back-to-back years of poor production (lockout + this season except for the end)
- One year left on his contract
- Elite player?
- Team Leader?

I don't think it's fair to compare the Spezza trade to the Ryan trade. I think at most you're getting a solid roster player and a high-end prospect in return. That is unless there really is a large market and you start a bidding war.

If Friedman is stating that Spezza will be traded prior to the draft then for all we know they already have a trade in place.

It's easy to undervalue any player when you only list negatives.  

The only positives are that he's making $4M salary ($7M cap hit) and he'd be a top-five 2nd line center in the league. My issue is he's not a top line center to the teams wanting to bring him in so I don't expect a return where we get the best player coming back.

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:It's happening.  We're not paying Spezza 50 million dollars to play here for the next 7 years, so it's happening.  We can't let him walk for nothing, so it's happening.  We can't risk him getting hurt and not being able to deal him at the deadline.

Etc. etc. etc.

So part of the reason that Spezza is traded is Owner finances.  Part is his health going forward.. and the team doesn't want to commit to a long term contract.  

I get the health part and agree a 6 or 7 yr contract with Spezza is risky.  

But I don't want to see this team start losing key players.. like Alfie & Spezza .. solely because of the Cussing Owner and his lack of money...

Hoags wrote:Spezza will get traded because the team/owner can't afford to sign him long term only to have him sit on LTIR all the time(although I think insurance covers salary in that case).

Even if the Sens were a loaded cap team I wouldn't resign him.