2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk

sandysensfan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

Ev wrote:

Hayden wrote:Correct me if I am wrong. Spezza has never won, the exception being the Spengler Cup. No Ohl, ahl, NHL, world junior, world championship, Olympics.

the only thing he has won is AHL MVP

Not winning a world championship, world junior, etc. when you're a Canadian point per game career player is pretty sad

So him not winning anything doesn't have anything to do with whoever else was on the team with him?

OHL, CHL, AHL, NHL, WJC, and WC, never won a thing.  There's a reason for it and there always has been.  Like buddy said below, he entered the NHL as a guy who never learned how to win because he refused to change his game and adapt and there is a good possibility he leaves the league one day is the exact same manner.

Try not using other people's thought, Sandy.  Might want to form your own opinion at some point.

That was my opinion..  But I'm fighting a losing battle in trying to support Spezza when everyone else wants him gone...

There is a good reason, this isn't Sens chirp.  This isn't a place without original thought hang on the idea's and thoughts of some random internet blogger with a somewhat uninformed opinion.  Has he ever even laced up a pair of skates?  Does he have any media credentials?  Any interviews with players? GM's? Coaches?  No.

No sheep here, Sandy.  Anyone who watches the Sens and knows the game knows that Spezza has gone through coach after coach and none have changed him.  

Let me ask you this, Sandy.  Would you not say that after Murray's presser today that the logical conclusion to everything this year would be a disconnect between MacLean and his players?  His star perhaps that Murray was talking about?  Perhaps like everyone speculated by the way he played early in the season that the team and especially the coach was asking more of Spezza, to fall in line with what they were trying to sell to the rest?  If so, wouldn't you say perhaps it's time to change the player, not the coach for what?  The 7th, 8th time?

Put your love for Spezza and the PPG player aside, he doesn't play the way the Sens are trying to teach and to be the Boston Bruins of the NHL you need to build towards that.  Spezza is the player the Bruins don't have so why should the Sens even consider extending him know that he is in full control if they do?  It's a disaster waiting to happen.

I heard McLean yesterday and Murray today about Paul being too demanding.. and more or less that was a mistake..

I have never played the game.. I've just been watching it for about 50 yrs... I'm that old.  I don't maybe 'study' it like those who have played do.  So maybe I do look at it differently.

Spezza is far from perfect... but his point production won't be replaced by whoever you bring in..  He has defensive issues but so do a lot of other players on the Sens and other teams...  This Sens team will never be the Bruins..  Maybe if Muckler would have kept Chara.. things might have been different.

There are Spezza haters and Spezza supporters..  There is no reason to trash either side..

One thing I'm am glad for is Kassian is gone.  I don't support having a player on the team that plays about 10-15 games a season for about 2-3 min a game.  Waste of space..

Murray wants a 'tough' player for the 3rd line.. that can play and defend his team.  Is he looking in the direction of Ott?  What are the chances that a 'tough' UFA will come to Ottawa?

sandysensfan wrote:

Michallica wrote:I think it was growing pains for spezza, really honestly feel he'll be better for the experience.  That said, it won't be in ottawa and I think that's clear now.  But not gonna give him the bum's rush like some ppl here, hope he gets traded at the draft.

@ sandy, i'm on the fence on whether I want spezza back but I think I'm leaning towards moving on from him, merely based on the fact he's got one year left only.  We can't, just can't not get anything for him.  He also sounds frustrated, I think fresh start for both the sens and spezza is needed.  

I'll give spezza one thing....at least he never said 'probably not'...and I loved alfie.  

I think a lot of fans think if Spezza is traded it will be at the draft.. or most likely before July 1st.   So if St Louis & LA go out in the first round... would one of them be the likely landing spot if he is traded?  St Louis has a lot to offer in way of young players.  LA needs scoring and Mike Richards appears to have fallen out of favour with Sutter.. now that he's apparently on the 4th line.  Could you see Spezza traded for Richards + or is he not in the mold that LA would want?  Someone mentioned Swartz from St Louis.  That would be a good young player to get...

Flo The Action wrote:with all that's been discussed i'm going mad thinking that we have to wait till the end of the playoffs to even start thinking of possible moves, probably the draft weekend.

oh and sandy, if LA offered Richards to the sens for spezza then yes, you do that. i haven't followed what's happening in LA too closely i must admit but if they're not valuing him much then you try to get something else also. that said i very much doubt sutter would want spezza on his team. he wants more out of his players then points, spezza doesn't offer the effort and they would be playing spezza on the fourth line...  

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:with all that's been discussed i'm going mad thinking that we have to wait till the end of the playoffs to even start thinking of possible moves, probably the draft weekend.

oh and sandy, if LA offered Richards to the sens for spezza then yes, you do that. i haven't followed what's happening in LA too closely i must admit but if they're not valuing him much then you try to get something else also. that said i very much doubt sutter would want spezza on his team. he wants more out of his players then points, spezza doesn't offer the effort and they would be playing spezza on the fourth line...  

Gonna take more than that, that's a heavy ticket on a guy that's banged up to all hell who may have partied his way to the 4th line.  Richards is not what you are looking for in a return for Spezza.

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:with all that's been discussed i'm going mad thinking that we have to wait till the end of the playoffs to even start thinking of possible moves, probably the draft weekend.

oh and sandy, if LA offered Richards to the sens for spezza then yes, you do that. i haven't followed what's happening in LA too closely i must admit but if they're not valuing him much then you try to get something else also. that said i very much doubt sutter would want spezza on his team. he wants more out of his players then points, spezza doesn't offer the effort and they would be playing spezza on the fourth line...  

Gonna take more than that, that's a heavy ticket on a guy that's banged up to all hell who may have partied his way to the 4th line.  Richards is not what you are looking for in a return for Spezza.

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:with all that's been discussed i'm going mad thinking that we have to wait till the end of the playoffs to even start thinking of possible moves, probably the draft weekend.

oh and sandy, if LA offered Richards to the sens for spezza then yes, you do that. i haven't followed what's happening in LA too closely i must admit but if they're not valuing him much then you try to get something else also. that said i very much doubt sutter would want spezza on his team. he wants more out of his players then points, spezza doesn't offer the effort and they would be playing spezza on the fourth line...  

Gonna take more than that, that's a heavy ticket on a guy that's banged up to all hell who may have partied his way to the 4th line.  Richards is not what you are looking for in a return for Spezza.

i know you're saying st-louis and i understand their lack of offence is likely to put them on the market for some offense but i can't help but look at the rags with the numbers of C depth. a guy like Stepan that can play center and wing would be great here. especially when you wonder if you might lose one of through injuries.
they'd probably try to trade us Brassard but Stepan is who i'd want. i'd gladly make it a bigger deal to try and nab two of the forwards with Kreider or Hagelin coming back but that's day dreaming from me. plus you have to think that spezza would re-sign in NY for sure. more or less spezza, methot for stepan and kreider. yes please. depending how they view methot probably would get a pick back on that deal. they need a guy to replace staal soon.

Michallica wrote:Anyone thinking this is deja vu happening?  Melnyk and Murray got close when murray was the head coach....and then shortly after, melnyk replaced muckler with murray.  Fast forward 7 years later.....melnyk is the first one giving a vote of confidence to head coach pmac amid internal struggle between pmac and bmurr...

Michallica wrote:Anyone thinking this is deja vu happening?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:Anyone thinking this is deja vu happening?

The only deja vu happening here is all the Spezza trade talk. There will be more deja vu come next fall when young Spezza is, as he will always be, right in the Senatores lineup.     

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:Anyone thinking this is deja vu happening?

The only deja vu happening here is all the Spezza trade talk. There will be more deja vu come next fall when young Spezza is, as he will always be, right in the Senatores lineup.     

What do you actually think as I am somewhat curious.  

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:Anyone thinking this is deja vu happening?

The only deja vu happening here is all the Spezza trade talk. There will be more deja vu come next fall when young Spezza is, as he will always be, right in the Senatores lineup.     

What do you actually think as I am somewhat curious.  

NEELY wrote:Spezza will attract a lot of teams to him, no question.  Those teams working on an internal budget (the Blues & Ducks) will take big runs at Spezza.  This is absolutely the perfect time to trade him because even if he does help the Sens short term, long term a trade for the right package could set the Sens up for a decade and they can build the core they truly want.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:Spezza will attract a lot of teams to him, no question.  Those teams working on an internal budget (the Blues & Ducks) will take big runs at Spezza.  This is absolutely the perfect time to trade him because even if he does help the Sens short term, long term a trade for the right package could set the Sens up for a decade and they can build the core they truly want.

I'd basically watch for whoever gets bounced in round 1 of the playoffs and make that my short list.