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6612014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:08 pm

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LeKing wrote:WHere's Peter Mueller these days? That's the perfect player for Ottawa.

I think Switzerland.

6622014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:24 pm

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Michallica wrote:A glimpse of spezza's last moments at his last home game.....?



lol some fans are hilarious.  'we love you jason!' 'sign my sweater andy!'

oh dear... that's convincing.... urghhh...

6632014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:27 pm

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NEELY wrote:
Hoags wrote:
NEELY wrote:And they are probably letting Spezza, Michalek, and Hemsky go along with at least another 2 mil on the back end.  Would you not call that a very similar situation?

It is all the same.  Money out, money in, total $ spent on salary not much different from previous year.

Hopefully the team will be better.

Well that's exactly my point right now.  I don't agree with a lot of what Melnyk says but in terms of spending right now he's right, throwing money out the window for guys who are just available and don't really have a fit in Ottawa is stupid.  They will be spending money on a UFA and they probably have a target (I know one is Stastny) and if the deal they make for Spezza involves wingers and D then they have money to use to get the center they need.

Wouldn't it be something if the Sens could walk away with a guy like Boedker, Samulsson, and a 1st?  Something along those lines?  Trade for Stewart.  Go out sign Stastny.  Salary would end up being around 56-57 mil, right where the Sens and Melnyk wanted to be.  Team is also way better than it was in game 82 as well.

IF he would have spent on Alfie last season.. still traded for Ryan and signed McArthur... that would have been two very good top lines for the entire season at about 5.5-6M more in salary... Which would have been offset by playoff revenue.

Alfie-Spezza-Michalek
Ryan-Turris-McArthur

So you think those top 6 could have helped the Sens to 3 more wins... They missed the playoffs by 5 bloody points after a terrible season.. I get the defense was bad... but that top 6 would have offset that bad defense with more goals..

I would most likely be going to playoff games... Now I'm just watching it on TV.

6642014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:32 pm

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Ev wrote:Spezza bounced back as the year went on, and if he's given the chance to next year, and he stays healthy, he will bounce back to being one of the top 10 - 15 players in the league. If the Sens want to compete he's going to be a very important part of that, if the Sens don't want to compete they'll move him and we're in for a few rough years.

 Laugh1 

We should get a nice close-up view since he's probably headed to The Big Smoke.

If he is traded.. Murray will try to send him West... Some fans.. can't remember if it was on here or not.. mentioned St Louis or LA if they fall out in round 1...

6652014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:38 pm

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LeKing wrote:I don't care if we replace the Spezza line with kids from Bingo who will come in, follow the system and give 100% every night.
When I watch Stamkos, Krejci, Kopitar, Getzlaf, Couture etc all back check like crazy it just makes me sick to have talented lazy players on this team.

Please don't mention Kopitar... coulda, woulda, shoulda.. f'in Muckler.. couldn't draft to save his life.

6662014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:57 pm

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sandysensfan wrote:
NEELY wrote:
Hoags wrote:
NEELY wrote:And they are probably letting Spezza, Michalek, and Hemsky go along with at least another 2 mil on the back end.  Would you not call that a very similar situation?

It is all the same.  Money out, money in, total $ spent on salary not much different from previous year.

Hopefully the team will be better.

Well that's exactly my point right now.  I don't agree with a lot of what Melnyk says but in terms of spending right now he's right, throwing money out the window for guys who are just available and don't really have a fit in Ottawa is stupid.  They will be spending money on a UFA and they probably have a target (I know one is Stastny) and if the deal they make for Spezza involves wingers and D then they have money to use to get the center they need.

Wouldn't it be something if the Sens could walk away with a guy like Boedker, Samulsson, and a 1st?  Something along those lines?  Trade for Stewart.  Go out sign Stastny.  Salary would end up being around 56-57 mil, right where the Sens and Melnyk wanted to be.  Team is also way better than it was in game 82 as well.

IF he would have spent on Alfie last season.. still traded for Ryan and signed McArthur... that would have been two very good top lines for the entire season at about 5.5-6M more in salary... Which would have been offset by playoff revenue.    

Alfie-Spezza-Michalek
Ryan-Turris-McArthur

So you think those top 6 could have helped the Sens to 3 more wins... They missed the playoffs by 5 bloody points after a terrible season..  I get the defense was bad... but that top 6 would have offset that bad defense with more goals..

I would most likely be going to playoff games...   Now I'm just watching it on TV.


Old ballpark was $1M per home playoff date. That's $2-3M per round. So break-even means you have to get to the ECF.

Tell me, are we really one Alfie away from being 4 wins away from the Finals? Remember that we still have the same goaltending and defense whether it's Alfie or whoever on the 2nd line.


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6672014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:57 pm

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it's a tough evaluation to make where we'd been had we kept alfie and still made the offseason moves. i believe we'd be going to the playoffs for one, but we might be on the verge of giving spezza an extention and passing off the captaincy to him... so would it have challenged the inevitable? would we have created a fiasco further down the road when the kids have grown a bit? we'll never know but we might have adverted a bigger mess down the road. this way i'd like to think that we're growing by losing and figuring out what we truly have on board.

still, it's not the end we thought we'd give Alfie.

6682014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:54 pm

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I wouldn't be surprised if some team out of no where makes an offer for Spezza too, like Columbus or Washington.

6692014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:51 pm

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NEELY wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if some team out of no where makes an offer for Spezza too, like Columbus or Washington.

A duo of Spezza and Ovie would be very potent. You pair them with a defense-minded forward and it could be very interesting.

6702014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:04 am

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TheAvatar wrote:
NEELY wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if some team out of no where makes an offer for Spezza too, like Columbus or Washington.

A duo of Spezza and Ovie would be very potent. You pair them with a defense-minded forward and it could be very interesting.


Sounds like Heatley/Spezza/Alfie.  Whatever happened to those other two guys?

6712014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:10 am

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Stastny didn't do a lot to lower his value last night.

6722014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:17 am

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If Brad Richards gets bought out, that would be an interesting idea for 2C. He's won it all obviously and looks good right now.

6732014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:25 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:If Brad Richards gets bought out, that would be an interesting idea for 2C.  He's won it all obviously and looks good right now.

My guess is he would never sign with a Canadian team. How many elite NHL Cdn born players sign to play in Canada?

6742014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:04 pm

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Why would Richards get bought out? He's had a rebound season -- much better under Vigneault -- and already has a goal and two helpers in the playoffs.


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6752014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:19 pm

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wprager wrote:Why would Richards get bought out?  He's had a rebound season -- much better under Vigneault -- and already has a goal and two helpers in the playoffs.  

That was the rumour all year, the Rangers allways Diddle the cap and they have him under contract for too much loot and too long a term.  They were talking about it again last night.

EDIT: lol, they have him at 6.66 until 2020. They may not have that in their plans.

6762014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:21 pm

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sandysensfan wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:If Brad Richards gets bought out, that would be an interesting idea for 2C.  He's won it all obviously and looks good right now.

My guess is he would never sign with a Canadian team.  How many elite NHL Cdn born players sign to play in Canada?

Perhaps not, who knows. If he doesn't want to sign here in that hypothetical, then we move on.

6772014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:54 pm

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6782014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk - Page 45 Empty Re: 2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:44 pm

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Dirty. So very, very dirty. Gonna miss those.


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