2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

just too many young ones without direction. we desperately need Boyle to surround the young group. even if that means trading one of our current defenseman in another deal. obviously you need forwards to play the full 200 feet game... spezza not there next year is a first step.

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

Ev wrote:Murray says if they gave Lehner the net next year he'd win a lot of games for them

he also said in this league you needed two goalies. anderson stays till the deadline, transition year for sure.

He folded when he was leaned on this year, he might stay for the simple reason to push each other and it might not be worth a 2nd to have that stability if one guy goes down.

ya, i think he stays. i imagine nexxt year is the year they expect to give more starts to lehner unless there's a meltdown but ya. i just don't see them letting anderson go until the deadline. could be disasterous if lehner suffers an injury and we're stuck with an average back-up.

Gives Dreidger a full year in Bingo as well as Hammond... maybe one of them can step into the backup role after Anderson is gone.  If they move Spezza and Methot I think that's a big enough change where you just leave everything else alone.

well depending what is the return on both ya maybe. if we get an older top 4 d-man in return then ya, we might not need boyle, but i wouldn't go with that D next year. not singling out anyone but i'd like a guy that can step into the top 4 and take on some of the harder responsibilities. a guy that can be phased out to the bottom pairing within the duration of his contract like boyle maybe.

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

Stewart for Methot won't help team D at all.

Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Hmmm...not at all a ringing endorsement for MacLean either.

Other than endorsing him as head coach going forward

Sounds like he was highlighting a need for everyone to change...

At the end of the day,the coach needs to be able to get the players to respond, the players need to deliver on the ice... finding that is not easy. Looked like we had it last year, which is what BMurr was suggesting by what I read into that, and this was something that was lost this year... lots of stuff to read into there...

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

Stewart for Methot won't help team D at all.

Won't hurt it either.

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

just too many young ones without direction. we desperately need Boyle to surround the young group. even if that means trading one of our current defenseman in another deal. obviously you need forwards to play the full 200 feet game... spezza not there next year is a first step.

Dude, Dan Boyle is an average d-man and probably isn't better than Phillips in the back end today

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

Stewart for Methot won't help team D at all.

Won't hurt it either.

Yeah, really not sure about that. You...have watched Stewart play, right?

shabbs wrote:

Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Hmmm...not at all a ringing endorsement for MacLean either.

Other than endorsing him as head coach going forward

Sounds like he was highlighting a need for everyone to change...

At the end of the day,the coach needs to be able to get the players to respond, the players need to deliver on the ice... finding that is not easy. Looked like we had it last year, which is what BMurr was suggesting by what I read into that, and this was something that was lost this year... lots of stuff to read into there...

MacLean probably learned a lot this year as well but the thing that sticks out is Spezza.  It was so obvious in the early part of the year (the Dallas game in particular) that Spezza was sulking and doing what he wanted out there because MacLean was hard on him.  Like everyone has always said, Spezza is the guy that does what he wants.

With a younger team expect the softer MacLean to come back and a lot of teaching to go on.  He obviously was hard on the vets and the guys that responded got the playing time and were never, ever scratched... Neil, Phillips, Greening, and Smith.  People question why they saw so much playing time?  Because he wanted them to set the example.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

Stewart for Methot won't help team D at all.

Won't hurt it either.

Yeah, really not sure about that.  You...have watched Stewart play, right?

Sure have, he scores a lot of goals and can scrap with anyone.

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

just too many young ones without direction. we desperately need Boyle to surround the young group. even if that means trading one of our current defenseman in another deal. obviously you need forwards to play the full 200 feet game... spezza not there next year is a first step.

Dude, Dan Boyle is an average d-man and probably isn't better than Phillips in the back end today

Seeing as I have no problem with Phillips and the need for a vet to play behind Karlsson and Ceci, Boyle is still a great move going forward especially if they trade Methot.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

just too many young ones without direction. we desperately need Boyle to surround the young group. even if that means trading one of our current defenseman in another deal. obviously you need forwards to play the full 200 feet game... spezza not there next year is a first step.

Dude, Dan Boyle is an average d-man and probably isn't better than Phillips in the back end today

Seeing as I have no problem with Phillips and the need for a vet to play behind Karlsson and Ceci, Boyle is still a great move going forward especially if they trade Methot.

Didn't Boyle make it clear that he doesn't have interest in coming to Ottawa?

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

Stewart for Methot won't help team D at all.

Won't hurt it either.

Yeah, really not sure about that.  You...have watched Stewart play, right?

Sure have, he scores a lot of goals and can scrap with anyone.

I think you forgot what you were talking about. How does that relate to improving team D?

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

just too many young ones without direction. we desperately need Boyle to surround the young group. even if that means trading one of our current defenseman in another deal. obviously you need forwards to play the full 200 feet game... spezza not there next year is a first step.

Dude, Dan Boyle is an average d-man and probably isn't better than Phillips in the back end today

Seeing as I have no problem with Phillips and the need for a vet to play behind Karlsson and Ceci, Boyle is still a great move going forward especially if they trade Methot.

Didn't Boyle make it clear that he doesn't have interest in coming to Ottawa?

Don't think so?

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

Stewart for Methot won't help team D at all.

Won't hurt it either.

Yeah, really not sure about that.  You...have watched Stewart play, right?

Sure have, he scores a lot of goals and can scrap with anyone.

I think you forgot what you were talking about. How does that relate to improving team D?

He's a winger, wingers have very little to do with a team defense short of not cheating.

NEELY wrote:

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:are we good with the defense because they like the group or because Melnyk won't put any money towards dan Boyle? mmmmmhhhh  

The team D is the issue, not the D core.  Not sure how many people (including the players themselves) need to be told this.  On that note, you watch Methot get traded straight up for Stewart.

just too many young ones without direction. we desperately need Boyle to surround the young group. even if that means trading one of our current defenseman in another deal. obviously you need forwards to play the full 200 feet game... spezza not there next year is a first step.

Dude, Dan Boyle is an average d-man and probably isn't better than Phillips in the back end today

Seeing as I have no problem with Phillips and the need for a vet to play behind Karlsson and Ceci, Boyle is still a great move going forward especially if they trade Methot.

Didn't Boyle make it clear that he doesn't have interest in coming to Ottawa?

Don't think so?

spader, that was a quote by "brock" wallace...

BooBoo: Sounds like Paul MacLean was read the riot act this AM. #Sens

They need to sort this Dung out and have a Cussing joint smoking session so that they can all put this behind and move forward on the same Cussing page.

Jeezus Diddle.

If Murray read him the riot act then it was probably because he pushed Spezza out of town.

Man I can't stand those stupid teenage girls on twitter who just want Spezza to stay no matter what. Go suck his Richard if you cheer a player over the team.