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NEELY wrote:I think Spezza has a little more value than Eller but that's the type of move you make for sure.  I would also assume Horvat is off the table as well.  

If it was Vancouvers 1st, Eller, and Jansen that's a move I make right now.  Jansen may never be more than a 3rd line winger but at worst he's a 3rd line winger as well.  Eller would come in and stabilize the left side as well.  Someone would be going back the other way with Spezza though, my guess would be Wiercioch as he is a BC boy.  

That said Spezza won't be traded, Murray doesn't have the balls to do it and I don't think Melnyk would ever allow it either.

I don't know, you have to think that Murray is fully aware of what is going on with spezza. i'd prefer shinkaruk coming back then jansen. but i think edler has a lot of value it's the term that is really long but that suits us fine. i could see wier going the other way. but then we still need a top 6 winger if you ask me.

i'm just hoping we could get long term value for spezza. I'm already being pessimist about the season this year and our chances about the playoffs.
we need to be over .500 with those meaningful games against tougher teams that are above us and not making it against the leafs is a clear signal for me that this team will likely gift wrap a sweep even if we make the playoffs. there's just no leadership effort to lead this team from spezza that it reflects on the whole team.

shabbs wrote:Remaining games before the Sochi Olympics...

Mon, Feb 3 @ Pittsburgh - 7:00 PM
Tue, Feb 4 @ St. Louis - 8:00 PM
Thu, Feb 6 vs Buffalo - 7:30 PM
Sat, Feb 8 @ Boston - 3:00 PM

good chance this will be our only W. even then, no guarantee.

No Chara on Saturday.

St. Louis is beatable.

I think we can go 3-1 if we play well enough.

Lots of these teams have Olympians, so they may not be playing at their full effort level.

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:I think Spezza has a little more value than Eller but that's the type of move you make for sure.  I would also assume Horvat is off the table as well.  

If it was Vancouvers 1st, Eller, and Jansen that's a move I make right now.  Jansen may never be more than a 3rd line winger but at worst he's a 3rd line winger as well.  Eller would come in and stabilize the left side as well.  Someone would be going back the other way with Spezza though, my guess would be Wiercioch as he is a BC boy.  

That said Spezza won't be traded, Murray doesn't have the balls to do it and I don't think Melnyk would ever allow it either.

I don't know, you have to think that Murray is fully aware of what is going on with spezza. i'd prefer shinkaruk coming back then jansen. but i think edler has a lot of value it's the term that is really long but that suits us fine. i could see wier going the other way. but then we still need a top 6 winger if you ask me.  

i'm just hoping we could get long term value for spezza. I'm already being pessimist about the season this year and our chances about the playoffs.
we need to be over .500 with those meaningful games against tougher teams that are above us and not making it against the leafs is a clear signal for me that this team will likely gift wrap a sweep even if we make the playoffs. there's just no leadership effort to lead this team from spezza that it reflects on the whole team.

No... frigging... way. Probably the prospect I like the least out of a lot of first rounders in the past 2 or 3 seasons. Bust written all over him. Jansen is a player that can help long term and is pretty complete. That's what you need. Stone, Peumpel, Peterson, lots of those kind of players in Ottawa already who might/will struggle without the puck, you need a guy who plays well with and without it. Jansen in Vancouver would be that guy to me. You are building the team with the right pieces and Shinkaruk is about as far away from the 200 foot game as you can get not to mention he's a complete douche bag.

But again I don't think Murray has it in him to move Spezza now or ever. It's the one move he has refused to make over and over despite Spezza requesting a trade after the playoffs. He literally talked Spezza into staying in Ottawa.

I predict a 2-1-1 record over the next 4 games.

Heh.

Ev wrote:No Chara on Saturday.

St. Louis is beatable.

I think we can go 3-1 if we play well enough.

Lots of these teams have Olympians, so they may not be playing at their full effort level.

Absolutely correct but my only point was this could get ugly quick if things fall off the rails and a game like Saturday night could have been a turning point in the season for all the wrong reasons. You hope they bounce back tonight and Flurry has an awful game.

Sens seem to play the Pens well... certainly a chance there to grab a win, if not a point... need to avoid this becoming bigger than it is.

shabbs wrote:Sens seem to play the Pens well... certainly a chance there to grab a win, if not a point... need to avoid this becoming bigger than it is.

Best way to start would be with a two-hander to the adam's apple of Crybaby Crysby.

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

NEELY wrote:I think Spezza has a little more value than Eller but that's the type of move you make for sure.  I would also assume Horvat is off the table as well.  

If it was Vancouvers 1st, Eller, and Jansen that's a move I make right now.  Jansen may never be more than a 3rd line winger but at worst he's a 3rd line winger as well.  Eller would come in and stabilize the left side as well.  Someone would be going back the other way with Spezza though, my guess would be Wiercioch as he is a BC boy.  

That said Spezza won't be traded, Murray doesn't have the balls to do it and I don't think Melnyk would ever allow it either.

I don't know, you have to think that Murray is fully aware of what is going on with spezza. i'd prefer shinkaruk coming back then jansen. but i think edler has a lot of value it's the term that is really long but that suits us fine. i could see wier going the other way. but then we still need a top 6 winger if you ask me.  

i'm just hoping we could get long term value for spezza. I'm already being pessimist about the season this year and our chances about the playoffs.
we need to be over .500 with those meaningful games against tougher teams that are above us and not making it against the leafs is a clear signal for me that this team will likely gift wrap a sweep even if we make the playoffs. there's just no leadership effort to lead this team from spezza that it reflects on the whole team.

No... frigging... way.  Probably the prospect I like the least out of a lot of first rounders in the past 2 or 3 seasons.  Bust written all over him.  Jansen is a player that can help long term and is pretty complete.  That's what you need.  Stone, Peumpel, Peterson, lots of those kind of players in Ottawa already who might/will struggle without the puck, you need a guy who plays well with and without it.  Jansen in Vancouver would be that guy to me.  You are building the team with the right pieces and Shinkaruk is about as far away from the 200 foot game as you can get not to mention he's a complete douche bag.

But again I don't think Murray has it in him to move Spezza now or ever.  It's the one move he has refused to make over and over despite Spezza requesting a trade after the playoffs.  He literally talked Spezza into staying in Ottawa.

ya but that was then and this is now. he's given him all the chances in the world, but there's a point... i mean the health, the lack of leadership... they gave him the chance to go with it. he's shown everyone he can't handle it and now they won't just take his captaincy away and keep him. any fool can see there will be no parade in ottawa with spezza at the helm. ya, they might not (actually probably won't) move him at the deadline but by draft day it is a very real possibility.

Yah I am starting to question Murray a little based just on how badly Phillips and Spezza are struggling and the refusal to address it to this point. Now he may have very well given himself the season to see it through and make a judgement when all is said and done after the exit interviews but if Spezza is a Senator at the start of next year I will be exremely upset as a fan.

Canucks(or most teams) don't have the cap space to bring in Spezza without sending money the other way.

I wouldn't blame Murray, deals are really hard to pull off now and Melnyk's budget has handcuffed him even more. Spezza can't be realistically traded til the offseason.

He is being extra loyal to Spezza and Phillips, who knows maybe there's some nagging injury affecting them both? Phillips is looking like a Jason Smith scenario, I hope they don't resign him, we may not get lucky and have him go on LTIR and eventually retire.

As for Spezza, it's complicated. Other teams can see how bad he is 5on5 so they may not want him anymore than we do. Then it's a matter of what fair value is for a talented, declining player like him. Then it's a matter of him waiving his NMC, which I suspect he'd be at least very reluctant to do so.

Hoags wrote:Canucks(or most teams) don't have the cap space to bring in Spezza without sending money the other way.

I wouldn't blame Murray, deals are really hard to pull off now and Melnyk's budget has handcuffed him even more.  Spezza can't be realistically traded til the offseason.

He is being extra loyal to Spezza and Phillips, who knows maybe there's some nagging injury affecting them both? Phillips is looking like a Jason Smith scenario, I hope they don't resign him, we may not get lucky and have him go on LTIR and eventually retire.

As for Spezza, it's complicated.  Other teams can see how bad he is 5on5 so they may not want him anymore than we do.  Then it's a matter of what fair value is for a talented, declining player like him.  Then it's a matter of him waiving his NMC, which I suspect he'd be at least very reluctant to do so.

He'll waive it no problem if it's to a city with a reputation for off-ice partying.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Hoags wrote:Canucks(or most teams) don't have the cap space to bring in Spezza without sending money the other way.

I wouldn't blame Murray, deals are really hard to pull off now and Melnyk's budget has handcuffed him even more.  Spezza can't be realistically traded til the offseason.

He is being extra loyal to Spezza and Phillips, who knows maybe there's some nagging injury affecting them both? Phillips is looking like a Jason Smith scenario, I hope they don't resign him, we may not get lucky and have him go on LTIR and eventually retire.

As for Spezza, it's complicated.  Other teams can see how bad he is 5on5 so they may not want him anymore than we do.  Then it's a matter of what fair value is for a talented, declining player like him.  Then it's a matter of him waiving his NMC, which I suspect he'd be at least very reluctant to do so.

He'll waive it no problem if it's to a city with a reputation for off-ice partying.

Sarcasm not withstanding here he can't play 5 on 5 mins, he's being crushed against fast teams who play with pace.  He did absolutely nothing on Saturday night after that Kadri hit but watch Neil try and lead the team... where was he?  Just vanished or was day dreaming about being a Leaf himself. If there is one other player that should absolutely hate the Leafs and play with everything he has besides Neil it's Spezza. He still doesn't understand it and he never will.

NEELY wrote:

Sarcasm not withstanding here he can't play 5 on 5 mins, he's being crushed against fast teams who play with pace.  He did absolutely nothing on Saturday night after that Kadri hit but watch Neil try and lead the team... where was he?  Just vanished or was day dreaming about being a Leaf himself.  If there is one other player that should absolutely hate the Leafs and play with everything he has besides Neil it's Spezza.  He still doesn't understand it and he never will.  

He's from Toronto lol, I doubt that's possible. Spezza's career would be over in a few months under Carlyle, that'd be funny.

He's sinking into Dany Heatley territory.

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Hoags wrote:Canucks(or most teams) don't have the cap space to bring in Spezza without sending money the other way.

I wouldn't blame Murray, deals are really hard to pull off now and Melnyk's budget has handcuffed him even more.  Spezza can't be realistically traded til the offseason.

He is being extra loyal to Spezza and Phillips, who knows maybe there's some nagging injury affecting them both? Phillips is looking like a Jason Smith scenario, I hope they don't resign him, we may not get lucky and have him go on LTIR and eventually retire.

As for Spezza, it's complicated.  Other teams can see how bad he is 5on5 so they may not want him anymore than we do.  Then it's a matter of what fair value is for a talented, declining player like him.  Then it's a matter of him waiving his NMC, which I suspect he'd be at least very reluctant to do so.

He'll waive it no problem if it's to a city with a reputation for off-ice partying.

Sarcasm not withstanding here he can't play 5 on 5 mins, he's being crushed against fast teams who play with pace.  He did absolutely nothing on Saturday night after that Kadri hit but watch Neil try and lead the team... where was he?  Just vanished or was day dreaming about being a Leaf himself.  If there is one other player that should absolutely hate the Leafs and play with everything he has besides Neil it's Spezza.  He still doesn't understand it and he never will.  

Pretty sure we all got it by now.   

Neil led the way and nobody followed. When your 4th line stakes you to a 2 - 0 lead and nobody adds to that, it's a bigger issue than just 2 guys.

I honestly don't care if Spezza gets dealt but I do care if the team doesn't add some wingers because they are lacking there in a big way.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Sarcasm not withstanding here he can't play 5 on 5 mins, he's being crushed against fast teams who play with pace.  He did absolutely nothing on Saturday night after that Kadri hit but watch Neil try and lead the team... where was he?  Just vanished or was day dreaming about being a Leaf himself.  If there is one other player that should absolutely hate the Leafs and play with everything he has besides Neil it's Spezza.  He still doesn't understand it and he never will.  

He's from Toronto lol, I doubt that's possible.  Spezza's career would be over in a few months under Carlyle, that'd be funny.

He's sinking into Dany Heatley territory.

Heatley, Emery, Spezza... all declining at the same age for the most part. Wonder why? Around the same age Redden really starting declining as well. Mike Comrie...? Meszaros... yet Alfie is still putting up 50, 60 points at 41 and Chara is still considered one of the best in the game, Hossa just keeps going as well. Time to keep some damned character and hard work in the room.

And if the Sens start wasting assets to get Spezza a winger that's not going to help him play 5 on 5 how can you not start to question Murray? Moulson will not help Spezza 5 on 5 and how much of an upgrade is he on Michalek really? At least Michalek skates well and plays 200 feet. A Moulson Spezza combo are teams top lines wet dreams.

Well Emery had that degenerative disorder in his hip and to his credit he busted his Donkey to even make it back in the NHL when most thought he'd be lucky if he could walk.