NHL Free Agent Frenzy 2013 - Melnyk's Budget Edition

wprager wrote:
It's not nickel and dime.  The seven Canadian teams have a significant disadvantage in terms of income taxes.  In addition teams like Ottawa, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Calgary don't have the same WAF as Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal.  We are always going to be paying way more for UFAs.  

Melnyk takes a loss if he spends to the cap and we do not go deep into the playoffs.  Most teams do. I can't blame him for keeping the team on a budget.

After for spending to the cap for years and being a first round exit at best he is probably very reluctant to do so again until he feels really good about the team.  If the Sens look that poised to challenge for the Cup I imagine they will have sold out all their season tickets and ticket prices will be higher for what is no longer a "rebuilding team".

This is a reality for all teams except the few big markets who can spend at will.

There's only one way you can give yourself a chance to go deep into the playoffs - acquire players like Dan Boyle and Danny Briere and let them mesh.

SpezDispenser wrote:There's only one way you can give yourself a chance to go deep into the playoffs - acquire players like Dan Boyle and Danny Briere and let them mesh.

But not at the expense of prospects we are trying to develop.

Boyle makes sense short term behind Karlsson, but which forward do you move out for Briere ?

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Speaking of budget. Garrioch says Senators are interested in Boyle as long as the Sharks pick up part of the tab.

Oh for heaven's sake.  Just pay the guy, he's amazing.  I hate this nickel and dime Dung.  

It's not nickel and dime.  The seven Canadian teams have a significant disadvantage in terms of income taxes.  In addition teams like Ottawa, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Calgary don't have the same WAF as Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal.  We are always going to be paying way more for UFAs.  

What does income tax have to do with OTT wanting SJ to retain some of Boyle's salary in the event of a trade?

SeawaySensFan wrote:Speaking of budget. Garrioch says Senators are interested in Boyle as long as the Sharks pick up part of the tab.

Garrioch says we're kicking tires on Edler and Boyle, for what it's worth.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/07/02/today-could-really-be-the-end-of-the-coyotes-in-phoenix

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:There's only one way you can give yourself a chance to go deep into the playoffs - acquire players like Dan Boyle and Danny Briere and let them mesh.

But not at the expense of prospects we are trying to develop.

Boyle makes sense short term behind Karlsson, but which forward do you move out for Briere ?

Funnily enough, you have a point. There's no room for another forward without making a transaction.

Briere - Spezza - Michalek

Zibanejad - Turris - Alfie

Silfverberg - Pageau - Greening

Conacher - Smith - Condra/Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Cowen - Boyle
Phillips - Gryba
Wiercioch

rooneypoo wrote:
http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/07/02/today-could-really-be-the-end-of-the-coyotes-in-phoenix

Edler's NTC kicked on July 1st so he'd have to waive to agree to be moved anywhere. Knowing Gillis he probably wants an overpayment considering how much he wanted for Luongo and his ugly contract.

Ottawa can safely move next year's 1st if they want to make a big splash through trade or anything else. If they want Boyle then that's what it will cost for sure, maybe not much more than that but a 1st rounder none the less.

I guess with that roster ^, you wait for the inevitable injuries and then you promote the 13th into the lineup.

That is a beautiful lineup IMO. Nice combo of skill and a pounding bottom six - some of the guys who can move up and down the lineup if we need more muscle at any point. I'm certainly not saying that's a Cup winning lineup, we need our prospects to mature a bit more + another splash at some point, but it's a very, very competitive team.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Funnily enough, you have a point.  There's no room for another forward without making a transaction.

Briere - Spezza - Michalek

Zibanejad - Turris - Alfie

Silfverberg - Pageau - Greening

Conacher - Smith - Condra/Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Cowen - Boyle
Phillips - Gryba
Wiercioch

You also forgot Kassian who has 1 year left as well.

There is no way they can add Briere without trading 1 or 2 forwards. Garrioch says he expects Greening will be signed to an extension as well.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Funnily enough, you have a point.  There's no room for another forward without making a transaction.

Briere - Spezza - Michalek

Zibanejad - Turris - Alfie

Silfverberg - Pageau - Greening

Conacher - Smith - Condra/Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Cowen - Boyle
Phillips - Gryba
Wiercioch

You also forgot Kassian who has 1 year left as well.

There is no way they can add Briere without trading 1 or 2 forwards.  Garrioch says he expects Greening will be signed to an extension as well.

Not true, there will always be healthy scratches.

and don't say I didn't tell you so but Alfredsson may not even be on the Sens

Ev wrote:

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Funnily enough, you have a point.  There's no room for another forward without making a transaction.

Briere - Spezza - Michalek

Zibanejad - Turris - Alfie

Silfverberg - Pageau - Greening

Conacher - Smith - Condra/Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Cowen - Boyle
Phillips - Gryba
Wiercioch

You also forgot Kassian who has 1 year left as well.

There is no way they can add Briere without trading 1 or 2 forwards.  Garrioch says he expects Greening will be signed to an extension as well.

Not true, there will always be healthy scratches.

and don't say I didn't tell you so but Alfredsson may not even be on the Sens

I thought he was going to retire?  

SpezDispenser wrote:There's only one way you can give yourself a chance to go deep into the playoffs - acquire players like Dan Boyle and Danny Briere and let them mesh.

Oh puh-leeze!

Hal Gill
Kris Russell
Jeff Schultz

All on waivers. What are people's thoughts? Especially regarding the latter two.

Ev wrote:

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Funnily enough, you have a point.  There's no room for another forward without making a transaction.

Briere - Spezza - Michalek

Zibanejad - Turris - Alfie

Silfverberg - Pageau - Greening

Conacher - Smith - Condra/Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Cowen - Boyle
Phillips - Gryba
Wiercioch

You also forgot Kassian who has 1 year left as well.

There is no way they can add Briere without trading 1 or 2 forwards.  Garrioch says he expects Greening will be signed to an extension as well.

Not true, there will always be healthy scratches.

and don't say I didn't tell you so but Alfredsson may not even be on the Sens

Alfredsson is a formality at this point. Just a matter of when he signs, for how long. $$$ not really an object (they'll make his salary back in goodwill and jersey/seat sales).

There will be moves. In addition to the players already mentioned, there are rookies who will be pushing for spots as well. Anyone going to the DC? It starts tomorrow and on-ice practices are open to the public.

DirtyDave wrote:Hal Gill
Kris Russell
Jeff Schultz

All on waivers. What are people's thoughts? Especially regarding the latter two.

All three are lefties. We have Borowiecki if we need a lefty.

i'd pick up Zanon for his beard alone