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i'd take briere over hemsky everyday of the week.

Briere over Hemsky is a different story and the answer to that one is an absolute yet.

Cammalleri is too much $$.

Hemsky is only 29, Briere's best days are behind him.

Hoags wrote:Cammalleri is too much $$.

Hemsky is only 29, Briere's best days are behind him.

As opposed to Hemsky's "best days" where he probably hasn't and may never have his "best days" part of his career.  Saying Hemsky is only 29 is like saying Leclaire is only 29.  Briere will pretty much play 70 or more games without question and get 50-60 points which is basically what the best case upside is for Hemsky.  If you are talking about those two vs each other it isn't even close.

I still maintain that the Sens should be looking for players with RFA status (Wheeler, Henrique, Paajarvi, Mueller, Bailey, Hagelin, etc) instead of players with only one year left before hitting the UFA market.

I don't think the addition of players like Cammi or Hemsky really fit this team well. They're both great short-term solutions but long-term neither present any solutions for the team.

Smith for Hemsky straight up is an exception however. Great potential out of Hemsky for a player who's role with the team has diminished considerably.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I still maintain that the Sens should be looking for players with RFA status (Wheeler, Henrique, Paajarvi, Mueller, Bailey, Hagelin,  etc) instead of players with only one year left before hitting the UFA market.

I don't think the addition of players like Cammi or Hemsky really fit this team well. They're both great short-term solutions but long-term neither present any solutions for the team.

Smith for Hemsky straight up is an exception however. Great potential out of Hemsky for a player who's role with the team has diminished considerably.

You have to be joking on those two.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I still maintain that the Sens should be looking for players with RFA status (Wheeler, Henrique, Paajarvi, Mueller, Bailey, Hagelin,  etc) instead of players with only one year left before hitting the UFA market.

I don't think the addition of players like Cammi or Hemsky really fit this team well. They're both great short-term solutions but long-term neither present any solutions for the team.

Smith for Hemsky straight up is an exception however. Great potential out of Hemsky for a player who's role with the team has diminished considerably.

I completely agree, burmistrov is another name that's popped up. to be honest that seems to have been along the line of thinking that BM has been touting so that's a bit of what i expect. although Briere wouldn't surprise me since they have to be thinking of the vet leadership to replace Alfie soon.
leaves to be seen who and what and when. i'd like to see a package that brings Bogo and Burmistrov in one sweep. probably would cost us our 1st this and next year, greening a guy like stone or Pumpel and maybe another NHL body(edit: like Weir). more or less.

NEELY wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I still maintain that the Sens should be looking for players with RFA status (Wheeler, Henrique, Paajarvi, Mueller, Bailey, Hagelin,  etc) instead of players with only one year left before hitting the UFA market.

I don't think the addition of players like Cammi or Hemsky really fit this team well. They're both great short-term solutions but long-term neither present any solutions for the team.

Smith for Hemsky straight up is an exception however. Great potential out of Hemsky for a player who's role with the team has diminished considerably.

You have to be joking on those two.

ya, not interested either.

Burmistrov is exactly the type of player Murray should be looking at.  That's a guy who could probably break out any season now and you may be able to have him for a decent price.  I think the Sens really liked him when he was drafted didn't they?

Depending on how they view Neidderider as well, could be a fit.  That said though, the 2010 draft class looks awful for the most part so that's something that probably has to be considered.

NEELY wrote:Burmistrov is exactly the type of player Murray should be looking at.  That's a guy who could probably break out any season now and you may be able to have him for a decent price.  I think the Sens really liked him when he was drafted didn't they?

I remember hearing something to that effect.
I have a feeling Bogo might be problematic to retain as he's an RFA and might not be ecstatic about his situation. whether Ottawa would suite him is another story. Might be something Winnipeg might have to pull. maybe.

in this scenario Winnipeg are gonna expect a serviceable defense man back, preferably young and an energy guy that can play top 6 and greening could fit their bill.
obviously they'd want more value coming back that's why a mix of picks and a prospect would be ideal for them.

Why? If they can be brought in for cheap....

From the last two seasons I think we can all conclude that coaching makes a huge difference for a lot of players - especially younger ones. Who's to say Paajarvi can't put up 20+ with Turris and Alfie under Maclean?

Paajarvi is your coveted left handed shot, he's 22, he's bigger than he looks, and really came into his zone come the end of last season. Given Edmonton's young forward depth he's fallen in their depth chart, albeit behind Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Hall, so I think he could be had for cheap. I'd be all over Paajarvi for Smith way more than I would be compared to Hemsky for Smith. Paajarvi is a quarter of the price, considerably younger, on RFA status, and I'd take 30-40 points in 80 games out of Paajarvi over 20 points from Hemsky in 40 games, and then losing him to UFA.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Why? If they can be brought in for cheap....

From the last two seasons I think we can all conclude that coaching makes a huge difference for a lot of players - especially younger ones. Who's to say Paajarvi can't put up 20+ with Turris and Alfie under Maclean?

Paajarvi is your coveted left handed shot, he's 22, he's bigger than he looks, and really came into his zone come the end of last season. Given Edmonton's young forward depth he's fallen in their depth chart, albeit behind Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Hall, so I think he could be had for cheap. I'd be all over Paajarvi for Smith way more than I would be compared to Hemsky for Smith. Paajarvi is a quarter of the price, considerably younger, on RFA status, and I'd take 30-40 points in 80 games out of Paajarvi over 20 points from Hemsky in 40 games, and then losing him to UFA.  

I agree that i'd take paajarvi over hemsky (which doesn't say much about my want of Hem) but i'm not sure he'll pan out as you say. i'm not convinced he's a 20+ goal scorer. to me he might not be good enough to be a top 6 guy but not strong enough to be bottom 6. kind of like another Regin if you ask me.

Burm is a lefty.

These are the players we have little to no use for IMO. MPS? Burmistrov? These are fine players, but what the Sens need right now is someone to step into training camp with experience in putting the put in the back of the net. Knows where to be at all times, knows how to get into the dirty areas and most importantly - has the skills and goals on his resume to make an immediate impact in the NHL.

Otherwise, what are we doing here? We have a trillion guys who play a good, solid 2-way game and have 'potential'. I personally don't want potential any more, I want a goal scorer. Cammalleri, Briere, Bobby Ryan (never happen), perhaps someone off the radar like Glencross. Whatever, bring us in someone who can put the biscuit in the net.

Flo The Action wrote:I agree that i'd take paajarvi over hemsky (which doesn't say much about my want of Hem) but i'm not sure he'll pan out as you say. i'm not convinced he's a 20+ goal scorer. to me he might not be good enough to be a top 6 guy but not strong enough to be bottom 6. kind of like another Regin if you ask me.

Depends on what the price is on Hemsky though. Is MacTavish shooting for the stars here and asking for Smith? Because if that's the case, no way. If he's being realistic and asking the Sens to eat all of the 5.5 million, then a 3rd rounder + Da Costa/Grant should be fine - and if that's the price, Hemsky would be such a better fit here than MPS. When healthy - which is basically never - he can produce.

SpezDispenser wrote:These are the players we have little to no use for IMO.  MPS?  Burmistrov?  These are fine players, but what the Sens need right now is someone to step into training camp with experience in putting the put in the back of the net.  Knows where to be at all times, knows how to get into the dirty areas and most importantly - has the skills and goals on his resume to make an immediate impact in the NHL.

Otherwise, what are we doing here?  We have a trillion guys who play a good, solid 2-way game and have 'potential'.  I personally don't want potential any more, I want a goal scorer.  Cammalleri, Briere, Bobby Ryan (never happen), perhaps someone off the radar like Glencross.  Whatever, bring us in someone who can put the biscuit in the net.

Burm is a guy that can get in front of the net. I'm not sure we'll be able to find that elusive 40 goal scorer that we all dream of. but in that deal we could bring Bogo to play the right side behind Karlsson. Cammalleri can still come in anyways. he'll be cheap enough.

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:These are the players we have little to no use for IMO.  MPS?  Burmistrov?  These are fine players, but what the Sens need right now is someone to step into training camp with experience in putting the put in the back of the net.  Knows where to be at all times, knows how to get into the dirty areas and most importantly - has the skills and goals on his resume to make an immediate impact in the NHL.

Otherwise, what are we doing here?  We have a trillion guys who play a good, solid 2-way game and have 'potential'.  I personally don't want potential any more, I want a goal scorer.  Cammalleri, Briere, Bobby Ryan (never happen), perhaps someone off the radar like Glencross.  Whatever, bring us in someone who can put the biscuit in the net.

Burm is a guy that can get in front of the net. I'm not sure we'll be able to find  that elusive 40 goal scorer that we all dream of. but in that deal we could bring Bogo to play the right side behind Karlsson. Cammalleri can still come in anyways. he'll be cheap enough.

First, I don't think there's any chance in the world we get Bogosian - and if we did, you can expect Zibanejad or Silfverberg + to be going the Jets way.  You know how much I want Bogo here, it's not gonna be easy and I dare say it's nothing more than a dream.

I'd like Hemsky right now.  A guy who has done it before and can conceivably do it again playing with Spezza.  Or Cammalleri, but damned if I want to overpay for these guys.

My main point is: we need to get an experienced goal scorer from a team who's over the cap and needs to shed.  If we can't get one and we can't nab Briere etc., then we're better off to try to find the next Marc Methot, just don't go and get another young player with potential, we're up to our arses in that.  Need someone who's been around and done it, or don't do it IMO.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I agree that i'd take paajarvi over hemsky (which doesn't say much about my want of Hem) but i'm not sure he'll pan out as you say. i'm not convinced he's a 20+ goal scorer. to me he might not be good enough to be a top 6 guy but not strong enough to be bottom 6. kind of like another Regin if you ask me.

Depends on what the price is on Hemsky though.  Is MacTavish shooting for the stars here and asking for Smith?  Because if that's the case, no way.  If he's being realistic and asking the Sens to eat all of the 5.5 million, then a 3rd rounder + Da Costa/Grant should be fine - and if that's the price, Hemsky would be such a better fit here than MPS.  When healthy - which is basically never - he can produce.

I'd do Hemsky for Smith in a second. You wouldn't?

EDIT: I'd still do Hemsky for Smith, but I just took a look at his injury history.

He's still an upgrade over Smith, but anyone is an upgrade over an injured player, so who's to say?