SENS OFF-SEASON TALK 2013

tim1_2 wrote:Also, Giroux is a RFA after next season, so they'll need to plan for signing him to a $8M/yr deal.

Also, regarding LTIR and cap relief, per Capgeek:

"Just because a player is on LTIR does not automatically grant the team extra cap space. In the event a player is placed on LTIR, his cap hit still counts toward the team's overall cap payroll. Relief only comes if replacing the player's salary pushes the team's cap payroll to date over the cap. The amount of relief is limited to the amount the team has gone over the cap (less the amount of payroll room the team had at the time the LTIR transaction took place), not the entire amount of the injured player's salary. "

So just by putting Pronger on LTIR, it doesn't magically free up $5M of cap space.

It does because they don't care how much they spend. They will be over, and Pronger's LTIR will provide relief so they are *not* over.

Sounds like Tenderloin has already moved on:

Je veux faire partie d'une équipe qui me fera confiance.

wprager wrote:Sounds like Tenderloin has already moved on:

Je veux faire partie d'une équipe qui me fera confiance.

Makes sense.

Maybe if he backchecked and generally played like he gave a Dung.

I think they package Smith + this 1st rounder + one of Ceci/Puempel for a winger.

Zibanejad is a guy I wouldn't move unless I was getting back a huge winger - like a 35-40 goal guy who's young - Eriksson perhaps. Otherwise no chance, what we have with Zibanejad and Silfverberg and now Pageau as well is skill and heart, no reason in the world to move any of them IMO.

Smith on the other hand...if Chicago still wants him, they might be open to a Hjarlmasson trade after all and I'd do that in a heartbeat. I was highly disappointed in Smith this season. He had a chance to really step up and instead of at least being overly physical, he was a wallflower most of the year.

We'll see....interesting off-season coming. Briere + Gonchar/replacement is A-OK with me. Despite what people say about Dupuis, I'd like him if we fail at Briere. We've all watched him play, he's defensively sound + he's slowly learned to finish chances.

wprager wrote:Sounds like Tenderloin has already moved on:

Je veux faire partie d'une équipe qui me fera confiance.

Jeez.

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out...

Unless he was referring to a return to the Sens?

Hoags wrote:Maybe if he backchecked and generally played like he gave a Dung.

I know, I know. The way he played he should not be asking for a team to trust him. More than the backchecking though, he was initially sat down because White (I think) used him as his own personal punching bag and there was zero push back from Gui. You don't have to retaliate, because that would surely get you a penalty, but at least turn around and push the guy away.

shabbs wrote:

wprager wrote:Sounds like Tenderloin has already moved on:

Je veux faire partie d'une équipe qui me fera confiance.

Jeez.

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out...

Unless he was referring to a return to the Sens?

I think it was a not-too-subtle indication that he did not appreciate being taken out of the lineup. Well, I guess he can fight for himself after all, even if only through the media.

wprager wrote:

Hoags wrote:Maybe if he backchecked and generally played like he gave a Dung.

I know, I know. The way he played he should not be asking for a team to trust him. More than the backchecking though, he was initially sat down because White (I think) used him as his own personal punching bag and there was zero push back from Gui. You don't have to retaliate, because that would surely get you a penalty, but at least turn around and push the guy away.

As if a guy with concussion problems is going to get into a scrap. That supposed genius "Mac" is a pinhead for scratching him because of that.

Corey Perry.

That is all.

I have no idea what he even said...

NEELY wrote:

Michallica wrote:Yup agreed. It was disappointing to not see that dirty phyiscal style I was expecting from Zbad. Then again, it was his first season outside of the SEL and he's battled some concussion issues so it takes him a little longer to use that body of his. Tough call, I'd like to keep both but its not economical unless Zbad switches to the wing.

No way you can hold that against him at this point but they probably do have too many of the Swedes who play that skilled, fast skating, hard working game at this point. They have nothing on the wings at this point and Pageau has stolen 2 jobs, O'Brien's and Zibanejad's.... maybe even Regin.

Zibanejad is easily the piece you look at and say "what can we afford to give up? where are we deep? who has high value?". It all comes back to Zibanejad.

That said, there is no way you trade him for ANYTHING LESS than a Bobby Ryan or Louie Eriksson. Simple as that. If you can't land one of those guys then you do you best to turn him into a winger.

Pageau didn't steal Zibanejad's spot at all. Pageau played all playoffs on the 4th line and saw his icetime reduce against Pittsburgh in the latter games. Both he and Zibanejad had similar TOI throughout the playoffs.

I'm not touching either of these two in trades if I'm Murray and I'd look to deal Silfverberg over either of them. He'd have less value than Zib though and he is a winger which we need more of, like you said. If I'm BMurr I'd actually just try to dangle role players, picks, and Bingo/CHL prospects, but that's tough obviously.

I think their longterm centres are Spezza/Turris/Zib/Pageau, and Smith is on the outisde looking in.

NEELY wrote:I have no idea what he even said...

He indicated that he wants to be on a team that has confidence in him. Suggesting the Sens didn't. He should look in the mirror a bit longer I think...

NEELY wrote:

Michallica wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Also, Giroux is a RFA after next season, so they'll need to plan for signing him to a $8M/yr deal.

OFFER SHEET THAT BIOTCH!!!!

I know for a fact he doesn't want to play in his home town, would be too hard to actually play the game.

well good thing Ottawa isn't his hometown then

shabbs wrote:

NEELY wrote:I have no idea what he even said...

He indicated that he wants to be on a team that has confidence in him. Suggesting the Sens didn't. He should look in the mirror a bit longer I think...

Meh, w/e, let him find that team... Ottawa is better off giving that ice time to Stone, Prince, Hoffman, and whoever else.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Michallica wrote:Yup agreed. It was disappointing to not see that dirty phyiscal style I was expecting from Zbad. Then again, it was his first season outside of the SEL and he's battled some concussion issues so it takes him a little longer to use that body of his. Tough call, I'd like to keep both but its not economical unless Zbad switches to the wing.

No way you can hold that against him at this point but they probably do have too many of the Swedes who play that skilled, fast skating, hard working game at this point. They have nothing on the wings at this point and Pageau has stolen 2 jobs, O'Brien's and Zibanejad's.... maybe even Regin.

Zibanejad is easily the piece you look at and say "what can we afford to give up? where are we deep? who has high value?". It all comes back to Zibanejad.

That said, there is no way you trade him for ANYTHING LESS than a Bobby Ryan or Louie Eriksson. Simple as that. If you can't land one of those guys then you do you best to turn him into a winger.

Pageau didn't steal Zibanejad's spot at all. Pageau played all playoffs on the 4th line and saw his icetime reduce against Pittsburgh in the latter games. Both he and Zibanejad had similar TOI throughout the playoffs.

I'm not touching either of these two in trades if I'm Murray and I'd look to deal Silfverberg over either of them. He'd have less value than Zib though and he is a winger which we need more of, like you said. If I'm BMurr I'd actually just try to dangle role players, picks, and Bingo/CHL prospects, but that's tough obviously.

I think their longterm centres are Spezza/Turris/Zib/Pageau, and Smith is on the outisde looking in.

Gotta give to get and going for a guy like Ryder isn't going to help the Sens long term needs. Pageau is a better center than Zibanejad though, knows how to play the position on a higher level while Zibanejad probably has a little more pure talent. Unless they feel Zibanejad can play the wing he could be the guy going the other way for a big time player. Smith... need guys that are willing to do the dirty work and can chip in here and there, I don't think he is going anywhere either.

Like you said, on the wings the Sens are thin as it is and Silfverberg is a guy that is only going to get better like Zibanejad but with less value. I think it's pretty obvious the guy that would get traded if a Ryan type player is coming back but that's just me.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Michallica wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Also, Giroux is a RFA after next season, so they'll need to plan for signing him to a $8M/yr deal.

OFFER SHEET THAT BIOTCH!!!!

I know for a fact he doesn't want to play in his home town, would be too hard to actually play the game.

well good thing Ottawa isn't his hometown then

He has been here since he was 10... it's his home town.

List of top UFAs from capgeek. I highlighted some names that stood out at me. Some are depth veteran players that could help, some are the young wingers we could use in the top 6. I likely missed a few.

http://capgeek.com/ufa-finder


Name Pos Age Team GP G A P PIM +/- TOI-TOT
Ribeiro, Mike » C 33 WAS 48 13 36 49 53 -4 17.83
Dupuis, Pascal » R 34 PIT 48 20 18 38 26 31 17.51
Elias, Patrik » C 37 NJD 48 14 22 36 22 5 18.72
Jagr, Jaromir » R 41 BOS 45 16 19 35 22 -2 18.33
Ryder, Michael » R 33 MTL 46 16 19 35 16 2 16.05
Boyes, Brad » R 31 NYI 48 10 25 35 16 -6 18.21
Iginla, Jarome » R 35 PIT 44 14 19 33 31 -5 18.81
Prospal, Vinny » L 38 CLB 48 12 18 30 32 3 16.53
Bozak, Tyler » C 27 TOR 46 12 16 28 6 -1 20.31
Roy, Derek » C 30 VAN 42 7 21 28 6 4 18.59
Koivu, Saku » C 38 ANA 47 8 19 27 18 4 17.60
Cullen, Matt » C 36 MIN 42 7 20 27 10 9 15.89
Streit, Mark » D 35 NYI 48 6 21 27 22 -14 23.35
Gonchar, Sergei » D 39 OTT 45 3 24 27 26 4 23.99
Brunner, Damien » R 27 DET 44 12 14 26 12 -6 15.59
Alfredsson, D. » R 40 OTT 47 10 16 26 33 1 19.35
Morrow, Brenden » L 34 PIT 44 12 13 25 37 -3 14.86
Clarkson, David » R 29 NJD 48 15 9 24 78 -6 17.59
Selanne, Teemu » R 42 ANA 46 12 12 24 28 -10 15.69
Stalberg, Viktor » L 27 CHI 47 9 14 23 25 16 14.12
Bickell, Bryan » L 27 CHI 48 9 14 23 25 12 12.81
Horton, Nathan » R 27 BOS 43 13 9 22 22 1 16.86
Raymond, Mason » L 27 VAN 46 10 12 22 16 2 15.82
Cooke, Matt » L 34 PIT 48 8 13 21 36 -2 14.71
McDonald, Andy » C 35 STL 37 7 14 21 16 -2 17.25
MacArthur, Clarke » L 28 TOR 40 8 12 20 26 3 14.91
Bouchard, P. » R 29 MIN 43 8 12 20 8 3 13.94
Zidlicky, Marek » D 36 NJD 48 4 15 19 38 -12 20.99
Clowe, Ryane » L 30 NYR 40 3 16 19 93 1 16.63
Torres, Raffi » L 31 SJS 39 7 11 18 17 0 13.27
Antropov, Nik » C 33 WIN 40 6 12 18 16 6 15.96
Cervenka, Roman » C 27 CGY 39 9 8 17 14 -13 13.14
Filppula, V. » L 29 DET 41 9 8 17 6 -4 17.78
Sullivan, Steve » L 38 NJD 42 7 10 17 24 -12 14.55
Corvo, Joe » D 35 CAR 40 6 11 17 14 -3 18.76
Gagne, Simon » L 33 PHI 38 5 11 16 8 -1 14.14
Clitsome, Grant » D 28 WIN 44 4 12 16 18 10 18.84
Cleary, Danny » L 34 DET 48 9 6 15 40 -6 16.44
Wellwood, Kyle » C 30 WIN 39 6 9 15 2 0 12.98
Gomez, Scott » C 33 SJS 39 2 13 15 22 -10 13.53
Chipchura, Kyle » C 27 PHX 46 5 9 14 50 1 9.70
Hecht, Jochen » C 35 BUF 47 5 9 14 18 6 13.70
Gordon, Boyd » C 29 PHX 48 4 10 14 8 0 15.01
Penner, Dustin » L 30 LAK 33 2 12 14 18 -2 12.70
Whitney, Ryan » D 30 EDM 34 4 9 13 23 -7 18.48
Fedotenko, Ruslan » L 34 PHI 47 4 9 13 12 8 12.57
Ference, Andrew » D 34 BOS 48 4 9 13 35 9 19.49
Hainsey, Ron » D 32 WIN 47 0 13 13 10 -8 22.86
Aucoin, Keith » C 34 NYI 41 6 6 12 4 -1 12.49
Comeau, Blake » L 27 CLB 42 6 6 12 20 -4 12.16
Scuderi, Rob » D 34 LAK 48 1 11 12 4 -6 21.79
Rozsival, Michal » D 34 CHI 27 0 12 12 14 18 18.11
Nystrom, Eric » L 30 DAL 48 7 4 11 61 -3 14.35
Hejduk, Milan » R 37 COL 29 4 7 11 0 -7 13.14
Latendresse, G. » L 26 OTT 27 6 4 10 8 -2 14.80
Lapierre, Maxim » C 28 VAN 48 4 6 10 45 -6 12.60
Benoit, Andre » D 29 OTT 33 3 7 10 8 -3 16.42
Leopold, Jordan » D 32 STL 39 2 8 10 14 -8 20.07
Lovejoy, Ben » D 29 ANA 35 0 10 10 29 4 17.83
Kobasew, Chuck » R 31 COL 37 5 4 9 21 6 11.27
Wolski, Wojtek » L 27 WAS 27 4 5 9 6 1 13.35
Ponikarovsky, A. » L 33 NJD 42 4 5 9 14 -1 13.16
Petrell, Lennart » L 29 EDM 35 3 6 9 4 -4 11.53
Adams, Craig » C 36 PIT 48 3 6 9 28 -1 11.16
Zubrus, Dainius » C 34 NJD 22 2 7 9 12 -3 16.78
Bergeron, M. » D 32 CAR 25 1 8 9 9 -4 13.77
Hendricks, Matt » L 31 WAS 48 5 3 8 73 -6 11.72
Knuble, Mike » R 40 PHI 28 4 4 8 20 -4 12.92
Lombardi, Matthew » C 31 ANA 28 4 4 8 8 -2 13.96
Begin, Steve » L 34 CGY 36 4 4 8 22 -2 7.99
Miller, Drew » L 29 DET 44 4 4 8 2 -8 13.82
Yip, Brandon » R 28 NAS 34 3 5 8 26 -3 12.04
Handzus, Michal » C 36 CHI 39 2 6 8 16 -2 13.13
Kostka, Mike » D 27 TOR 35 0 8 8 27 -7 22.08
Redden, Wade » D 35 BOS 29 3 4 7 11 -2 15.07
Jones, Ryan » R 28 EDM 27 2 5 7 17 0 12.98
Drewiske, Davis » D 28 MTL 29 2 5 7 14 3 15.20
Steckel, David » C 31 ANA 34 1 6 7 4 0 9.27
Johnson, Nick » R 27 PHX 17 4 2 6 0 3 9.96
Smithson, Jerred » C 34 EDM 45 3 3 6 12 -4 10.66
Sanguinetti, B. » D 25 CAR 37 2 4 6 4 -6 14.75
O'Byrne, Ryan » D 28 TOR 42 2 4 6 60 -4 18.53
Richardson, Brad » R 28 LAK 16 1 5 6 10 2 10.90
Benn, Jordie » D 25 DAL 26 1 5 6 10 -4 17.32
Ebbett, Andrew » C 30 VAN 28 1 5 6 4 -1 12.32
Murray, Douglas » D 33 PIT 43 1 5 6 35 -9 17.59
Fistric, Mark » D 26 EDM 25 0 6 6 32 6 15.33
Lydman, Toni » D 35 ANA 35 0 6 6 12 -1 19.39
Miettinen, Antti » L 32 WIN 22 3 2 5 2 -3 12.65
Kovalev, Alexei » L 40 FLA 14 2 3 5 6 -1 15.61
Mueller, Chris » C 27 NAS 18 2 3 5 6 -4 10.71
Harrold, Peter » D 29 NJD 23 2 3 5 6 -8 17.63
Armstrong, Colby » R 30 MTL 37 2 3 5 12 1 11.20
Bordeleau, P. » L 27 COL 46 2 3 5 70 -7 6.22
Foster, Kurtis » D 31 PHI 23 1 4 5 25 0 13.09
Reasoner, Marty » C 36 NYI 31 0 5 5 4 -3 11.23
Dvorak, Radek » R 36 ANA 9 4 0 4 2 2 13.13
Sulzer, Alexander » D 28 BUF 17 3 1 4 10 3 16.52
White, Ian » D 28 DET 25 2 2 4 4 5 19.58
Santorelli, Mike » C 27 WIN 34 2 2 4 2 -12 11.87