SENS OFF-SEASON TALK 2013

Hoags wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:According to Bob McKenzie, David Perron and Kevin "The Shatt" Shattenkirk are candidates to be dealt. Any takers?

They just resigned Perron not long ago.  He's not very big and I'm always wary of players with a concussion history.  He's never put up more than 50 points in a season.

If they deal Shattenkirk it's because he is too expensive for them.

It's about money for St. Louis, according to Bob McKenzie, for sure.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Boy....talk about two guys we could use on our roster.  Although Perron's a righty again.

If you pass up a guy with that kind of talent because of his handedness or sidedness or whatever the Diddle you should be shot, then fired.

I wouldn't say Perron is the be all to end all, but yes, don't pass because of handedness. Plus, they'll want a major piece back from us anyway.

Perron's salary also increases. The fact he can put up the points he does in St.Louis means it will translate to better numbers on a more offensive team. He played every game this year and seems to have left his concussion concerns at the door for the most part. RH or not, he's EXACTLY the type of player that the Sens need right now and fits into the youth and the lack of scoring of the team. If Perron is actually available... they have the pieces to make a move for him for sure.

That's just a move that makes sense, simple as that.

I think I'm more interested in Shattenkirk than I am in Perron actually.  Friggin great offensive D-man, right handed, Cowen's potential partner for the next decade.  Big enough guy.

I want...bad.

That said, Perron scored a fair bit in the offensive black hole of St.Louis, so here he'd probably be good for a bit more.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Boy....talk about two guys we could use on our roster.  Although Perron's a righty again.

If you pass up a guy with that kind of talent because of his handedness or sidedness or whatever the Diddle you should be shot, then fired.

Yup, in this case him being a RH shots is absolutely meaningless.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Boy....talk about two guys we could use on our roster.  Although Perron's a righty again.

If you pass up a guy with that kind of talent because of his handedness or sidedness or whatever the Diddle you should be shot, then fired.

One reason our PP sucks is because everyone up front shots right. It means every defender on the ice knows where the shot is coming from -- the point centre blue line or the left wall. We need a decent left hand shot on both up front and (now with Gonchar gone) on the point, to create options.

People scream about the PP and say fire Cameron or whoever, but this is the real problem. The opposing team knows where the shot is coming from every time.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Boy....talk about two guys we could use on our roster.  Although Perron's a righty again.

If you pass up a guy with that kind of talent because of his handedness or sidedness or whatever the Diddle you should be shot, then fired.

One reason our PP sucks is because everyone up front shots right. It means every defender on the ice knows where the shot is coming from -- the point centre blue line or the left wall. We need a decent left hand shot on both up front and (now with Gonchar gone) on the point, to create options.

People scream about the PP and say fire Cameron or whoever, but this is the real problem. The opposing team knows where the shot is coming from every time.

For sure. And also that we don't have a born and bred 'sniper' up front. That's where someone like Cammalleri would come in and absolutely mop up the garbage in front of the net. Think he scores 30 if he comes here.

SpezDispenser wrote:I think I'm more interested in Shattenkirk than I am in Perron actually.  Friggin great offensive D-man, right handed, Cowen's potential partner for the next decade.  Big enough guy.

I want...bad.

That said, Perron scored a fair bit in the offensive black hole of St.Louis, so here he'd probably be good for a bit more.

That's failed logic for sure.  Perron is signed at a decent cap hit and he has in no way came close to having his career year(s)... not to mention the fact the Sens need a lot more skill up front and scoring.  Perron provides all of that and then some.  Stone, Smith/Greening, and maybe a 2nd rounder next year and you should be able to land him if they are moving him for budget concerns... that's the player Murray is talking about trading for.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Boy....talk about two guys we could use on our roster.  Although Perron's a righty again.

If you pass up a guy with that kind of talent because of his handedness or sidedness or whatever the Diddle you should be shot, then fired.

One reason our PP sucks is because everyone up front shots right. It means every defender on the ice knows where the shot is coming from -- the point centre blue line or the left wall. We need a decent left hand shot on both up front and (now with Gonchar gone) on the point, to create options.

People scream about the PP and say fire Cameron or whoever, but this is the real problem. The opposing team knows where the shot is coming from every time.

Lots of guys shoot from their off-side. Easy fix.

The problem is always the same, looking for the perfect play all the time and not shooting, no traffic in front of the net and missing the net with regularity.

Having all RH shots on the PP makes it easy on the other team... you can set up for the one timer on both sides, you can't move the puck with the same effectiveness. It's not an easy fix at all and down playing that fact is just ignoring a big problem up front. This has nothing to do with Perron because you add him no matter what if you can but you need a LH shot out there besides Michalek. Cowen and Wiercioch are going to be leaned on in a big way this coming season on the PP for sure... and Michalek needs to stay healthy other wise they are in trouble. Gotta hope Conacher jumps into that role as well.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I think I'm more interested in Shattenkirk than I am in Perron actually.  Friggin great offensive D-man, right handed, Cowen's potential partner for the next decade.  Big enough guy.

I want...bad.

That said, Perron scored a fair bit in the offensive black hole of St.Louis, so here he'd probably be good for a bit more.

That's failed logic for sure.  Perron is signed at a decent cap hit and he has in no way came close to having his career year(s)... not to mention the fact the Sens need a lot more skill up front and scoring.  Perron provides all of that and then some.  Stone, Smith/Greening, and maybe a 2nd rounder next year and you should be able to land him if they are moving him for budget concerns... that's the player Murray is talking about trading for.

I dunno about 'failed logic'. I want both guys, they fit perfectly, but if you ask which one I want more it'd be the right handed, offensive D-man who would bolster out D for the next decade.

Again though, these two players fit this team very well. If all we have to give up for Perron is Smith + 2nd in '14 plus Stone, then it's a slam dunk.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Boy....talk about two guys we could use on our roster.  Although Perron's a righty again.

If you pass up a guy with that kind of talent because of his handedness or sidedness or whatever the Diddle you should be shot, then fired.

One reason our PP sucks is because everyone up front shots right. It means every defender on the ice knows where the shot is coming from -- the point centre blue line or the left wall. We need a decent left hand shot on both up front and (now with Gonchar gone) on the point, to create options.

People scream about the PP and say fire Cameron or whoever, but this is the real problem. The opposing team knows where the shot is coming from every time.

Lots of guys shoot from their off-side. Easy fix.

The problem is always the same, looking for the perfect play all the time and not shooting, no traffic in front of the net and missing the net with regularity.

It's really not an easy fix.

NEELY wrote:Having all RH shots on the PP makes it easy on the other team... you can set up for the one timer on both sides, you can't move the puck with the same effectiveness.  It's not an easy fix at all and down playing that fact is just ignoring a big problem up front.  This has nothing to do with Perron because you add him no matter what if you can but you need a LH shot out there besides Michalek.  Cowen and Wiercioch are going to be leaned on in a big way this coming season on the PP for sure... and Michalek needs to stay healthy other wise they are in trouble.  Gotta hope Conacher jumps into that role as well.

Agreed. You're probably moving a RHS out just to get him anyway. But yeah, my bigger point is that you can't have a team of only RHSs, front and back. If you do, then everyone knows the one timer is coming from the left side every time. That allows the defenders to cheat, and you lose the advantage you're supposed to gain on the PP.

NEELY wrote:Having all RH shots on the PP makes it easy on the other team... you can set up for the one timer on both sides, you can't move the puck with the same effectiveness.  It's not an easy fix at all and down playing that fact is just ignoring a big problem up front.  This has nothing to do with Perron because you add him no matter what if you can but you need a LH shot out there besides Michalek.  Cowen and Wiercioch are going to be leaned on in a big way this coming season on the PP for sure... and Michalek needs to stay healthy other wise they are in trouble.  Gotta hope Conacher jumps into that role as well.

I don't entirely disagree but you adapt with what you have. There's some systemic issues that have nothing to do with LH/RH that need to be sorted out. Shooters have to be more disciplined and there have to be consequences, like coming off the PP, if you don't hit the net or create traffic.

That and there's no substitute for talent.

Not hitting the net, deflected passes, shooting wide are all examples of things that are caused by being predictable and the other team shutting down lanes or blocking shots. Again, all RH shots, the other teams has an idea of where the puck is going and where the shot will be coming from. Point men can't switch things up if they are both righties, down low you are working it to the same corner and same side of the ice... and the shooters are more easily covered because that's probably where the puck is going to go.

rooneypoo wrote:

NEELY wrote:Having all RH shots on the PP makes it easy on the other team... you can set up for the one timer on both sides, you can't move the puck with the same effectiveness.  It's not an easy fix at all and down playing that fact is just ignoring a big problem up front.  This has nothing to do with Perron because you add him no matter what if you can but you need a LH shot out there besides Michalek.  Cowen and Wiercioch are going to be leaned on in a big way this coming season on the PP for sure... and Michalek needs to stay healthy other wise they are in trouble.  Gotta hope Conacher jumps into that role as well.

Agreed. You're probably moving a RHS out just to get him anyway. But yeah, my bigger point is that you can't have a team of only RHSs, front and back. If you do, then everyone knows the one timer is coming from the left side every time. That allows the defenders to cheat, and you lose the advantage you're supposed to gain on the PP.

Well everybody knows that's what coming in Tampa, and they can't stop it.

Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

NEELY wrote:Having all RH shots on the PP makes it easy on the other team... you can set up for the one timer on both sides, you can't move the puck with the same effectiveness.  It's not an easy fix at all and down playing that fact is just ignoring a big problem up front.  This has nothing to do with Perron because you add him no matter what if you can but you need a LH shot out there besides Michalek.  Cowen and Wiercioch are going to be leaned on in a big way this coming season on the PP for sure... and Michalek needs to stay healthy other wise they are in trouble.  Gotta hope Conacher jumps into that role as well.

Agreed. You're probably moving a RHS out just to get him anyway. But yeah, my bigger point is that you can't have a team of only RHSs, front and back. If you do, then everyone knows the one timer is coming from the left side every time. That allows the defenders to cheat, and you lose the advantage you're supposed to gain on the PP.

Well everybody knows that's what coming in Tampa, and they can't stop it.

Who is it in TB? Is it that kid Stamkos? If so, no worries, they'll figure him out. Give it time.

That's because Stamkos is a righty and St.Louis is a lefty... the shot is coming from one of those 2... tough to defend.  Put Alfi there instead of St.Louis and see how it plays out... the entire defense will be shifted to the right side of the ice and let one of their big goalders worry about being beaten on the glove side.

EDIT:  Even then if the puck is worked over to Stamkos they have a big RH shot in Salo where he can give it right back to if they over play it.  The Sens need a LH shot on the PP, there's no question about it. The Tampa PP is less predictable than Ottawa's for sure because you have to respect certain players on the ice as well.