Carolina @ Ottawa - April 16, 2013 - The Return of Cowen!!

Hall for Cowen, easily. Hall is a top forward in the league. But Oilers would not offer that in a million years. Eberle or Yakupov will be offered before RNH or Hall.

I think Wiercioch, 1st, prospect for Eberle might make sense too.

NEELY wrote:With that said above, Cowen was beyond great in his first game back... amazing how ready he was. Next couple of games might be a little bit of a downer for him but he will be hitting his stride when the playoffs come around.

Zibanejad, another great game. Gryba is about as solid as you would ever want a D man t be, same with Methot. Michalek looked real good. Anderson was Anderson.

Without Karlsson coming back, is it fair to say that the Sens have the toughest top-4 in the East? Or am I being a homer? Methot, Gryba, Cowen, Phillips -- 6'3", 6'4", 6'5" and 6'3". Average height 6' 3-3/4"; average weight 226 lbs. And this is not Kuba height or Gill weight -- these guys love to hit.

tim1_2 wrote:Out of curiousity, let's have an informal poll here:

The Oilers offer Hall for Cowen. Do you take it?

I vote no. I think Hall plays recklessly and is always an injury concern (not that Cowen isn't). Plus, we have our own young wingers that will flourish.

I haven't watched enough of Edmonton this year to say for sure, but I think on the surface you would have to look at it.

Ev wrote:Hall for Cowen, easily. Hall is a top forward in the league. But Oilers would not offer that in a million years. Eberle or Yakupov will be offered before RNH or Hall.

I think Wiercioch, 1st, prospect for Eberle might make sense too.

Not sure if the Oilers would be looking for draft picks... Might be a case of Greening/Weircioch/Stone for Eberle. That kind of thing. Oilers need to be better now, not tomorrow.

tim1_2 wrote:Out of curiousity, let's have an informal poll here:

The Oilers offer Hall for Cowen. Do you take it?

I vote no. I think Hall plays recklessly and is always an injury concern (not that Cowen isn't). Plus, we have our own young wingers that will flourish.

Hall is that enigma really. He plays a balls to the wall style of game that's going to lead to major injuries throughout his career. He can score, he can lead, he can do a lot of things right, but in the grand scheme of things I view him as a major health risk.

On paper it's a good trade though. High profile winger to flank Spez or Zibanejad or Turris, young, signed long term at a decent rate, can grow with the young core.

I'd vote no, but it's a darn close one.

tim1_2 wrote:Out of curiousity, let's have an informal poll here:

The Oilers offer Hall for Cowen. Do you take it?

I vote no. I think Hall plays recklessly and is always an injury concern (not that Cowen isn't). Plus, we have our own young wingers that will flourish.

Yes.

By comparison, the Bruins average 6' 2-3/4" and 219.75 lbs (Chara, Boychuk, Seidenberg, Ference).

I wouldn't say Phillips loves to hit, but I get what you're saying.

Ev wrote:Hall for Cowen, easily. Hall is a top forward in the league. But Oilers would not offer that in a million years. Eberle or Yakupov will be offered before RNH or Hall.

I think Wiercioch, 1st, prospect for Eberle might make sense too.

I think you start with Cowen for Eberle and add. And I'm right on board with doing that. Cowen + top prospect + 1st for Eberle = win for the Sens - and again, I'm a huge Cowen fan, but Eberle is a very special player.

I don't even think you make a trade for Eberle at this point for Cowen. It would have to be Hall or RNH, neither of which the Oilers would be willing to deal.

Fact is, Cowen isn't going anywhere and he shouldn't be. He will be a large part of the Sens for a long, long time.

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Out of curiousity, let's have an informal poll here:

The Oilers offer Hall for Cowen. Do you take it?

I vote no. I think Hall plays recklessly and is always an injury concern (not that Cowen isn't). Plus, we have our own young wingers that will flourish.

Hall is that enigma really. He plays a balls to the wall style of game that's going to lead to major injuries throughout his career. He can score, he can lead, he can do a lot of things right, but in the grand scheme of things I view him as a major health risk.

On paper it's a good trade though. High profile winger to flank Spez or Zibanejad or Turris, young, signed long term at a decent rate, can grow with the young core.

I'd vote no, but it's a darn close one.

You do realize that Cowen has missed almost 2 full seasons in the last 4 years.

NEELY wrote:I don't even think you make a trade for Eberle at this point for Cowen. It would have to be Hall or RNH, neither of which the Oilers would be willing to deal.

Fact is, Cowen isn't going anywhere and he shouldn't be. He will be a large part of the Sens for a long, long time.

Why do you think it'd have to be Hall or RNH? Are you discounting how good Eberle is? You must be.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Ev wrote:Hall for Cowen, easily. Hall is a top forward in the league. But Oilers would not offer that in a million years. Eberle or Yakupov will be offered before RNH or Hall.

I think Wiercioch, 1st, prospect for Eberle might make sense too.

I think you start with Cowen for Eberle and add. And I'm right on board with doing that. Cowen + top prospect + 1st for Eberle = win for the Sens - and again, I'm a huge Cowen fan, but Eberle is a very special player.

Eberle isn't special, he was the luckiest player in the league last year. Regressed hard this year.

Cowen + 1st + top prospect for Eberle is a joke.

SpezDispenser wrote:
I'd vote no, but it's a darn close one.

If this did happen (not that it will), I can easily see the rationale for going either way.

Oglethorpe wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Out of curiousity, let's have an informal poll here:

The Oilers offer Hall for Cowen. Do you take it?

I vote no. I think Hall plays recklessly and is always an injury concern (not that Cowen isn't). Plus, we have our own young wingers that will flourish.

Hall is that enigma really. He plays a balls to the wall style of game that's going to lead to major injuries throughout his career. He can score, he can lead, he can do a lot of things right, but in the grand scheme of things I view him as a major health risk.

On paper it's a good trade though. High profile winger to flank Spez or Zibanejad or Turris, young, signed long term at a decent rate, can grow with the young core.

I'd vote no, but it's a darn close one.

You do realize that Cowen has missed almost 2 full seasons in the last 4 years.

Yes, but there's a big difference between what Cowen's gone through and a guy who plays a reckless brand of hockey. A reckless style will cost you a lot more time than a guy who has had two issues surgically repaired and rehabbed properly. Hall will fall again - soon IMO, Cowen has a chance at a clean slate from here on.

No way in hell I'd ever want to see Cowen AND a prospect AND a 1st rounder given up for Eberle!!!!!! Crazy talk.

Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Ev wrote:Hall for Cowen, easily. Hall is a top forward in the league. But Oilers would not offer that in a million years. Eberle or Yakupov will be offered before RNH or Hall.

I think Wiercioch, 1st, prospect for Eberle might make sense too.

I think you start with Cowen for Eberle and add. And I'm right on board with doing that. Cowen + top prospect + 1st for Eberle = win for the Sens - and again, I'm a huge Cowen fan, but Eberle is a very special player.

Eberle isn't special, he was the luckiest player in the league last year. Regressed hard this year.

Cowen + 1st + top prospect for Eberle is a joke.

So he's had a rough year this year, so what? He's already proven he can play in this league at a PPG pace. I don't see the point of the argument, he's got loads of skill and a good work ethic. He'll bounce back guaranteed.

EDIT: He may have missed the PPG last season, I can't recall now.

NEELY wrote:No way that hit is even looked at for more than a microsecond.

The only thing he could look at was whether he left his feet or not. He did, very briefly, and only following the contact (basically because of the height disparity Skinner acted a bit like a fulcrum and Cowen's right skate briefly came off the ice, while the left one was already up there). But it was shoulder on chest, not at all from behind, open-ice, no boards -- like NEELY said, PERFECT.

As someone e-mailed TGOR, it shouldn't have been Larose jumping Cowen, but Skinner jumping Larose for giving him the suicide pass.