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shabbs wrote:When does Bishop play enough minutes/games to get his official RFA status? Gotta be soon....

I think that's already happened.

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

Enough with the points argument. If you are on the PP because your competition is Brian Lee, Matt Carkner, Chris Phillips, Luke Richardson and Jason Smith you will get points by accident. His first year he was the best Dman on the team, but he was still brutal.

Also if you want proof that Karlsson carried him compare this year to last year, one off season does not account for this drop off:

2012-13

Florida
Games: 27
Goals: 1
Assists: 3
Points: 4
Plus/Minus: -11

2011-12

Ottawa
Games: 73
Goals: 6
Assists: 26
Points: 32
Plus/Minus: 26

I think Karlsson's numbers last year would have been even better without that friggin' anchor playing beside him.

GAME - SET - MATCH.

lol, in your mind buddy. You aren't talking to some simp who plays NHL13 all day.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:I'm not sure Florida would want to turf Fleischmann...He's still a young man at 28.

Money is a concern and they need goaltending help in a big way. I would bet Florida would move Fleischmann if Bishop was involved. Could even be something like Bishop and Hoffman for Fleischmann.

I refuse to believe they go into next season with Markstrom and Clemenson as their 1A 1B.

Florida is betting the farm on Markstrom you bet they are.

NEELY wrote:A deal for Stewart you start with Cowen and a 1st... then add Greening. That probably lands him if St.Louis decides they don't want to use the 34 million in cap space they have next year, lol.

St. Louis has a bunch of RFAs to sign and they do not have a lot of money there, they forced John Davidson out due to his big contract.
Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo will not be cheap.
They need an LHD badly as well.

They is no way Tallon feeds him to the wolves next year and says "here you go, good luck kid". They need a guy that can split time and be counted on for a while before he takes over the reigns there. Tallon is no idiot.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:I'm not sure Florida would want to turf Fleischmann...He's still a young man at 28.

Money is a concern and they need goaltending help in a big way. I would bet Florida would move Fleischmann if Bishop was involved. Could even be something like Bishop and Hoffman for Fleischmann.

I refuse to believe they go into next season with Markstrom and Clemenson as their 1A 1B.

If that was it for Fleish, I would pull the trigger right away. Sadly, I think it'll be a 1st round pick - which, coming from a contender is 18-30. That's about fair value IMO and something I doubt we want to give up.

Neat option though. Intriguing to say the least, he's a decent play maker as well as having good shooting instincts. Might be a target.

Again, Florida needs a goaltender in a big way to play behind a very young team that will be making tons of mistakes. Markstrom is not close to being a #1 NHLer... he could be part of a 1A/1B type scenario but thats it.

Florida wants to offload some money and Bishop is absolutely a player they could use and probably need. A trade based around Fleischmann and Bishop would very much work for both teams.

shabbs wrote:When does Bishop play enough minutes/games to get his official RFA status? Gotta be soon....

It's something like 26 minutes.

Bishop will be an RFA, wouldn't worry too much about all that.

NEELY wrote:
Again, Florida needs a goaltender in a big way to play behind a very young team that will be making tons of mistakes. Markstrom is not close to being a #1 NHLer... he could be part of a 1A/1B type scenario but thats it.

Florida wants to offload some money and Bishop is absolutely a player they could use and probably need. A trade based around Fleischmann and Bishop would very much work for both teams.

They already have Clemmensen under contract for 1 year.

Going with 2 prospect goalies is beyond silly, they will go with Markstrom/Clemmensen just watch.

Nobody wants Bishop, he's been on the market all season. I bet Murray gets more calls on Lehner.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Again, Florida needs a goaltender in a big way to play behind a very young team that will be making tons of mistakes. Markstrom is not close to being a #1 NHLer... he could be part of a 1A/1B type scenario but thats it.

Florida wants to offload some money and Bishop is absolutely a player they could use and probably need. A trade based around Fleischmann and Bishop would very much work for both teams.

They already have Clemmensen under contract for 1 year.

Going with 2 prospect goalies is beyond silly, they will go with Markstrom/Clemmensen just watch.

Nobody wants Bishop, he's been on the market all season. I bet Murray gets more calls on Lehner.

Clemenson will be bought out. His GAA is above 4, that's bad for the 80's. There is no way they run with those 2 next year, no chance.

Bishop isn't a prospect goaltender at this point either, he's on a 1 way deal and is already a legit NHL goaltender.

Also, who said no one wants him? What's that based on? A market when 90% of the teams believe they have a shot at the playoffs and won't do anything until the offseason in terms of making a move? It amazes me how sometimes people around here just decide to make things up like "nobody wants Bishop".

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:I'm not sure Florida would want to turf Fleischmann...He's still a young man at 28.

Money is a concern and they need goaltending help in a big way. I would bet Florida would move Fleischmann if Bishop was involved. Could even be something like Bishop and Hoffman for Fleischmann.

I refuse to believe they go into next season with Markstrom and Clemenson as their 1A 1B.

If that was it for Fleish, I would pull the trigger right away. Sadly, I think it'll be a 1st round pick - which, coming from a contender is 18-30. That's about fair value IMO and something I doubt we want to give up.

Neat option though. Intriguing to say the least, he's a decent play maker as well as having good shooting instincts. Might be a target.

Again, Florida needs a goaltender in a big way to play behind a very young team that will be making tons of mistakes. Markstrom is not close to being a #1 NHLer... he could be part of a 1A/1B type scenario but thats it.

Florida wants to offload some money and Bishop is absolutely a player they could use and probably need. A trade based around Fleischmann and Bishop would very much work for both teams.

I'd have no interest in Bishop if I were them. I already have a Bishop in Markstrom, what I need is to re-sign Theodore or a veteran goalie.

Hoffman is an okay piece, but I wouldn't be bashing my brains out to get him either. Greening + Da Costa or Gryba + Hoffman maybe.

Yes, Clemenson and Theodore are fantastic options to split time with Markstrom.

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

Enough with the points argument. If you are on the PP because your competition is Brian Lee, Matt Carkner, Chris Phillips, Luke Richardson and Jason Smith you will get points by accident. His first year he was the best Dman on the team, but he was still brutal.

Also if you want proof that Karlsson carried him compare this year to last year, one off season does not account for this drop off:

2012-13

Florida
Games: 27
Goals: 1
Assists: 3
Points: 4
Plus/Minus: -11

2011-12

Ottawa
Games: 73
Goals: 6
Assists: 26
Points: 32
Plus/Minus: 26

I think Karlsson's numbers last year would have been even better without that friggin' anchor playing beside him.

GAME - SET - MATCH.

lol, in your mind buddy. You aren't talking to some simp who plays NHL13 all day.

I gave my evauluation you came back with stats. I give you stats now you have no answer. You are beginning to sound like...NOTCH...

LeKing wrote:Who knows, maybe Robitaille and Alex Picard were added for a tank job?

Anyways, if the cap was not so low in 2008, we would probably have added Dan Boyle which would have helped a big time. I don't remember how many times I read/heard "we need a PMD" during those times. Probably close to a 1000 times.

Little did we know then we were about to draft the best PMD in the world.

NEELY wrote:Yes, Clemenson and Theodore are fantastic options to split time with Markstrom.

Agreed. So we're done here for now unfortunately. Not to mention I'd like to get a more 'impact' forward.

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

Enough with the points argument. If you are on the PP because your competition is Brian Lee, Matt Carkner, Chris Phillips, Luke Richardson and Jason Smith you will get points by accident. His first year he was the best Dman on the team, but he was still brutal.

Also if you want proof that Karlsson carried him compare this year to last year, one off season does not account for this drop off:

2012-13

Florida
Games: 27
Goals: 1
Assists: 3
Points: 4
Plus/Minus: -11

2011-12

Ottawa
Games: 73
Goals: 6
Assists: 26
Points: 32
Plus/Minus: 26

I think Karlsson's numbers last year would have been even better without that friggin' anchor playing beside him.

GAME - SET - MATCH.

lol, in your mind buddy. You aren't talking to some simp who plays NHL13 all day.

I gave my evauluation you came back with stats. I give you stats now you have no answer. You are beginning to sound like...NOTCH...

Let's do this!

I've seen a bunch of advanced stats that show how Kuba was much worse without EK.

Not that Kuba was bad per se, but Karlsson made him and his numbers look a lot better. Methot is a massive upgrade over him.

Our defence is a lot better this year, partially because Kuba and his soft play are gone.

Hoags wrote:Our defence is a lot better this year, partially because Kuba and his soft play are gone.

And moreso because we got rid of that runt Karlsson...man, if only that kid could play defense. Good riddance.

NEELY wrote:
Clemenson will be bought out. His GAA is above 4, that's bad for the 80's. There is no way they run with those 2 next year, no chance.

Bishop isn't a prospect goaltender at this point either, he's on a 1 way deal and is already a legit NHL goaltender.

Also, who said no one wants him? What's that based on? A market when 90% of the teams believe they have a shot at the playoffs and won't do anything until the offseason in terms of making a move? It amazes me how sometimes people around here just decide to make things up like "nobody wants Bishop".

There is now way they go with Markstrom and Bishop, almost nobody runs with 2 unestablished goalies. Bishop isn't a prospect but he is still relatively inexperienced in the NHL, no team is going to hinge their playoff hopes on him. I don' think Tallon is going to give up on Markstrom just yet, for better or for worse.
And it was TSN that said the goalie market is pretty much dead. Too many sellers not enough buyers. Maybe it will change in the offseason.

And it's safe to say Murray gets a lot more calls on Lehner than Bishop

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

Enough with the points argument. If you are on the PP because your competition is Brian Lee, Matt Carkner, Chris Phillips, Luke Richardson and Jason Smith you will get points by accident. His first year he was the best Dman on the team, but he was still brutal.

Also if you want proof that Karlsson carried him compare this year to last year, one off season does not account for this drop off:

2012-13

Florida
Games: 27
Goals: 1
Assists: 3
Points: 4
Plus/Minus: -11

2011-12

Ottawa
Games: 73
Goals: 6
Assists: 26
Points: 32
Plus/Minus: 26

I think Karlsson's numbers last year would have been even better without that friggin' anchor playing beside him.

GAME - SET - MATCH.

lol, in your mind buddy. You aren't talking to some simp who plays NHL13 all day.

I gave my evauluation you came back with stats. I give you stats now you have no answer. You are beginning to sound like...NOTCH...

You THINK isn't a stat, it's an opinion. You blame Karlsson's Norris trophy year not being better because Kuba was his partner. That's about the most ignorant comment you could possibly make because there is no basis, no proof, and shows a real lack of knowledge and understand of the actual on ice product.

Give me all 4 of his years stats in Ottawa, go for it. You love stats, you show me then. Lets pick out the years where Kuba was "awful". I've already said he was brutal the year before last with the rest of the team so don't bother. His other 3 years... lets combined them shall we?

08/09, 09/10, 11/12 seasons combined:

Games: 197
Goals: 12
Assist: 88
Points: 100
+/-: +25

OMG, AWFUL. The 3 seasons where the Sens were decent he was over 1/2 a point per game as a D man playing 25 mins a night. Worst D MAN EVER.

Your arguments not only fall short of any kind of credibility, it's beyond ignorant and stupid. The worst part is you believe what you're saying. This isn't HF bud.