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Hoags wrote:Our defence is a lot better this year, partially because Kuba and his soft play are gone.

And moreso because we got rid of that runt Karlsson...man, if only that kid could play defense. Good riddance.

NEELY wrote:
Clemenson will be bought out. His GAA is above 4, that's bad for the 80's. There is no way they run with those 2 next year, no chance.

Bishop isn't a prospect goaltender at this point either, he's on a 1 way deal and is already a legit NHL goaltender.

Also, who said no one wants him? What's that based on? A market when 90% of the teams believe they have a shot at the playoffs and won't do anything until the offseason in terms of making a move? It amazes me how sometimes people around here just decide to make things up like "nobody wants Bishop".

There is now way they go with Markstrom and Bishop, almost nobody runs with 2 unestablished goalies. Bishop isn't a prospect but he is still relatively inexperienced in the NHL, no team is going to hinge their playoff hopes on him. I don' think Tallon is going to give up on Markstrom just yet, for better or for worse.
And it was TSN that said the goalie market is pretty much dead. Too many sellers not enough buyers. Maybe it will change in the offseason.

And it's safe to say Murray gets a lot more calls on Lehner than Bishop

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

Enough with the points argument. If you are on the PP because your competition is Brian Lee, Matt Carkner, Chris Phillips, Luke Richardson and Jason Smith you will get points by accident. His first year he was the best Dman on the team, but he was still brutal.

Also if you want proof that Karlsson carried him compare this year to last year, one off season does not account for this drop off:

2012-13

Florida
Games: 27
Goals: 1
Assists: 3
Points: 4
Plus/Minus: -11

2011-12

Ottawa
Games: 73
Goals: 6
Assists: 26
Points: 32
Plus/Minus: 26

I think Karlsson's numbers last year would have been even better without that friggin' anchor playing beside him.

GAME - SET - MATCH.

lol, in your mind buddy. You aren't talking to some simp who plays NHL13 all day.

I gave my evauluation you came back with stats. I give you stats now you have no answer. You are beginning to sound like...NOTCH...

You THINK isn't a stat, it's an opinion. You blame Karlsson's Norris trophy year not being better because Kuba was his partner. That's about the most ignorant comment you could possibly make because there is no basis, no proof, and shows a real lack of knowledge and understand of the actual on ice product.

Give me all 4 of his years stats in Ottawa, go for it. You love stats, you show me then. Lets pick out the years where Kuba was "awful". I've already said he was brutal the year before last with the rest of the team so don't bother. His other 3 years... lets combined them shall we?

08/09, 09/10, 11/12 seasons combined:

Games: 197
Goals: 12
Assist: 88
Points: 100
+/-: +25

OMG, AWFUL. The 3 seasons where the Sens were decent he was over 1/2 a point per game as a D man playing 25 mins a night. Worst D MAN EVER.

Your arguments not only fall short of any kind of credibility, it's beyond ignorant and stupid. The worst part is you believe what you're saying. This isn't HF bud.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Clemenson will be bought out. His GAA is above 4, that's bad for the 80's. There is no way they run with those 2 next year, no chance.

Bishop isn't a prospect goaltender at this point either, he's on a 1 way deal and is already a legit NHL goaltender.

Also, who said no one wants him? What's that based on? A market when 90% of the teams believe they have a shot at the playoffs and won't do anything until the offseason in terms of making a move? It amazes me how sometimes people around here just decide to make things up like "nobody wants Bishop".

There is now way they go with Markstrom and Bishop, almost nobody runs with 2 unestablished goalies. Bishop isn't a prospect but he is still relatively inexperienced in the NHL, no team is going to hinge their playoff hopes on him. I don' think Tallon is going to give up on Markstrom just yet, for better or for worse.
And it was TSN that said the goalie market is pretty much dead. Too many sellers not enough buyers. Maybe it will change in the offseason.

And it's safe to say Murray gets a lot more calls on Lehner than Bishop

What are they running with now? Columbus? Edmonton? Ottawa (right now)? Boston? Toronto? Washington?

How is getting another decent goaltender giving up on Markstrom? How is getting a guy that can shoulder some of the load for a goaltender who is clearly not ready yet a bad thing?

Obviously no teams are sellers right now, everyone is in the playoffs, I have already said that.

Hoags wrote:I've seen a bunch of advanced stats that show how Kuba was much worse without EK.

Not that Kuba was bad per se, but Karlsson made him and his numbers look a lot better. Methot is a massive upgrade over him.

Our defence is a lot better this year, partially because Kuba and his soft play are gone.

He didn't play with Karlsson his 1st 2 years so not sure what the point is here?

NEELY wrote:
How is getting another decent goaltender giving up on Markstrom? How is getting a guy that can shoulder some of the load for a goaltender who is clearly not ready yet a bad thing?

Obviously no teams are sellers right now, everyone is in the playoffs, I have already said that.

Because normally you pair an established vet with a rookie goalie who can mentor him and show him the ropes etc. Two goalies who haven't played 1 full NHL season aren't going to be able to help each other much.

All of the teams you listed have guys who have a season under their belt at least. We're an exception due to injuries.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
How is getting another decent goaltender giving up on Markstrom? How is getting a guy that can shoulder some of the load for a goaltender who is clearly not ready yet a bad thing?

Obviously no teams are sellers right now, everyone is in the playoffs, I have already said that.

Because normally you pair an established vet with a rookie goalie who can mentor him and show him the ropes etc. Two goalies who haven't played 1 full NHL season aren't going to be able to help each other much.

All of the teams you listed have guys who have a season under their belt at least. We're an exception due to injuries.

You said established... those teams did not have established NHL goaltending going into the season. If one of those teams had Alex Auld, would he be established? Now your qualifying everything to make it fit your argument.

Lots of teams go with a younger goaltending duo and I named them. Yah, it would be nice for Florida to have a vet to mentor Markstrom and help him find his way in the NHL but guess what? Unless that guy is Luongo he isn't coming through the door.

Depends on your definition of established, generally the team decides that.

Auld is established as an awful backup goalie, just because you are established does not mean you are good.

You named a minority of teams 5/30 of the NHL. I wouldn't count us because we have no choice due to Anderson being hurt.

Columbus took a flyer on Bob and seems to be working, first move Howson made that worked. Both Mason and Bob have NHL experience, not very good numbers but Bob came from the goalie graveyard in Philly and Mason is .. well Mason. Was an usual, risky, ballsy move whatever you wanna call it.

Edmonon has Khabibulin although he is hurt.

Boston has Rask who has proven himself as a #1 and I believe he played one full season where Thomas was hurt/sucked if I recall. There is no doubt Rask is a #1.

Toronto decided Reimer is their #1, hey it's Toronto. They were expected to get Luongo anyway.

On the Caps Neuvirth is no rookie and has quite a few games I think he played most of 1 season as well.

So really only the Jackets and Laffs have gone with 2 "unestablished" goalies out of 30 teams in the NHL by choice. Hardly a trend.

No GM is willing to bet his season and his job on 2 promising goalies who have yet to show they can play well over the course of at least 1 NHL season. Coplumbus and Toronto are the closest but their goalies have some experience there, just no experience as a #1.

Michalek had knee surgery, out for at least a month.

Mendes: Breaking: Milan Michalek had surgery on his right knee today. Timetable for his return is unknown.

https://twitter.com/ian_mendes/status/314050320529510400

Wow. Pulled the trigger.

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

Enough with the points argument. If you are on the PP because your competition is Brian Lee, Matt Carkner, Chris Phillips, Luke Richardson and Jason Smith you will get points by accident. His first year he was the best Dman on the team, but he was still brutal.

Also if you want proof that Karlsson carried him compare this year to last year, one off season does not account for this drop off:

2012-13

Florida
Games: 27
Goals: 1
Assists: 3
Points: 4
Plus/Minus: -11

2011-12

Ottawa
Games: 73
Goals: 6
Assists: 26
Points: 32
Plus/Minus: 26

I think Karlsson's numbers last year would have been even better without that friggin' anchor playing beside him.

GAME - SET - MATCH.

lol, in your mind buddy. You aren't talking to some simp who plays NHL13 all day.

I gave my evauluation you came back with stats. I give you stats now you have no answer. You are beginning to sound like...NOTCH...

You THINK isn't a stat, it's an opinion. You blame Karlsson's Norris trophy year not being better because Kuba was his partner. That's about the most ignorant comment you could possibly make because there is no basis, no proof, and shows a real lack of knowledge and understand of the actual on ice product.

Give me all 4 of his years stats in Ottawa, go for it. You love stats, you show me then. Lets pick out the years where Kuba was "awful". I've already said he was brutal the year before last with the rest of the team so don't bother. His other 3 years... lets combined them shall we?

08/09, 09/10, 11/12 seasons combined:

Games: 197
Goals: 12
Assist: 88
Points: 100
+/-: +25

OMG, AWFUL. The 3 seasons where the Sens were decent he was over 1/2 a point per game as a D man playing 25 mins a night. Worst D MAN EVER.

Your arguments not only fall short of any kind of credibility, it's beyond ignorant and stupid. The worst part is you believe what you're saying. This isn't HF bud.

Holy Crap!! You are the one that brought stats in to the discussion and NOW you cherry pick stats, excluding his worst year and including the year that Karlsson dragged Kuba's sorry Donkey around like an anvil tied to his waist. I said he was awful and brutal and garbage. Obviously he is not the worst Dman ever, in fact he was our best Dman his first season here, which is not actually a compliment when you look at the lineup. Put down the pipe, try actually watching Kuba with an objective eye. Pointless arguing with you, you won't change your opinion on this, even though you are completely wrong.

You think Florida has any kind of hope they get into the playoffs in the next 3 years? Hardly betting a season on that.

What about Phoenix last year? Or LA before that when Quick was a rookie? What about NYR when Lundqvist came up? Price? Ward? Fleury? You seem to paint every team and situation with the same brush like there is a defined way to build your goaltending.

Yes or no... Is Bishop/Markstrom better than Markstrom/Clemenson?

BooBoo: MacLean said surgery in NYC. Hopes to be back for playoffs. He tried to play through. Scopes are generally three to four weeks.

Should have done this a while ago.

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

Enough with the points argument. If you are on the PP because your competition is Brian Lee, Matt Carkner, Chris Phillips, Luke Richardson and Jason Smith you will get points by accident. His first year he was the best Dman on the team, but he was still brutal.

Also if you want proof that Karlsson carried him compare this year to last year, one off season does not account for this drop off:

2012-13

Florida
Games: 27
Goals: 1
Assists: 3
Points: 4
Plus/Minus: -11

2011-12

Ottawa
Games: 73
Goals: 6
Assists: 26
Points: 32
Plus/Minus: 26

I think Karlsson's numbers last year would have been even better without that friggin' anchor playing beside him.

GAME - SET - MATCH.

lol, in your mind buddy. You aren't talking to some simp who plays NHL13 all day.

I gave my evauluation you came back with stats. I give you stats now you have no answer. You are beginning to sound like...NOTCH...

You THINK isn't a stat, it's an opinion. You blame Karlsson's Norris trophy year not being better because Kuba was his partner. That's about the most ignorant comment you could possibly make because there is no basis, no proof, and shows a real lack of knowledge and understand of the actual on ice product.

Give me all 4 of his years stats in Ottawa, go for it. You love stats, you show me then. Lets pick out the years where Kuba was "awful". I've already said he was brutal the year before last with the rest of the team so don't bother. His other 3 years... lets combined them shall we?

08/09, 09/10, 11/12 seasons combined:

Games: 197
Goals: 12
Assist: 88
Points: 100
+/-: +25

OMG, AWFUL. The 3 seasons where the Sens were decent he was over 1/2 a point per game as a D man playing 25 mins a night. Worst D MAN EVER.

Your arguments not only fall short of any kind of credibility, it's beyond ignorant and stupid. The worst part is you believe what you're saying. This isn't HF bud.

Holy Crap!! You are the one that brought stats in to the discussion and NOW you cherry pick stats, excluding his worst year and including the year that Karlsson dragged Kuba's sorry Donkey around like an anvil tied to his waist. I said he was awful and brutal and garbage. Obviously he is not the worst Dman ever, in fact he was our best Dman his first season here, which is not actually a compliment when you look at the lineup. Put down the pipe, try actually watching Kuba with an objective eye. Pointless arguing with you, you won't change your opinion on this, even though you are completely wrong.

Haha, right buddy. You're not talking to a child or someone who doesn't know exactly what they are talking about. Like I said, if you wanna post crap like this hit up the HF boards.

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

Enough with the points argument. If you are on the PP because your competition is Brian Lee, Matt Carkner, Chris Phillips, Luke Richardson and Jason Smith you will get points by accident. His first year he was the best Dman on the team, but he was still brutal.

Also if you want proof that Karlsson carried him compare this year to last year, one off season does not account for this drop off:

2012-13

Florida
Games: 27
Goals: 1
Assists: 3
Points: 4
Plus/Minus: -11

2011-12

Ottawa
Games: 73
Goals: 6
Assists: 26
Points: 32
Plus/Minus: 26

I think Karlsson's numbers last year would have been even better without that friggin' anchor playing beside him.

GAME - SET - MATCH.

lol, in your mind buddy. You aren't talking to some simp who plays NHL13 all day.

I gave my evauluation you came back with stats. I give you stats now you have no answer. You are beginning to sound like...NOTCH...

You THINK isn't a stat, it's an opinion. You blame Karlsson's Norris trophy year not being better because Kuba was his partner. That's about the most ignorant comment you could possibly make because there is no basis, no proof, and shows a real lack of knowledge and understand of the actual on ice product.

Give me all 4 of his years stats in Ottawa, go for it. You love stats, you show me then. Lets pick out the years where Kuba was "awful". I've already said he was brutal the year before last with the rest of the team so don't bother. His other 3 years... lets combined them shall we?

08/09, 09/10, 11/12 seasons combined:

Games: 197
Goals: 12
Assist: 88
Points: 100
+/-: +25

OMG, AWFUL. The 3 seasons where the Sens were decent he was over 1/2 a point per game as a D man playing 25 mins a night. Worst D MAN EVER.

Your arguments not only fall short of any kind of credibility, it's beyond ignorant and stupid. The worst part is you believe what you're saying. This isn't HF bud.

Holy Crap!! You are the one that brought stats in to the discussion and NOW you cherry pick stats, excluding his worst year and including the year that Karlsson dragged Kuba's sorry Donkey around like an anvil tied to his waist. I said he was awful and brutal and garbage. Obviously he is not the worst Dman ever, in fact he was our best Dman his first season here, which is not actually a compliment when you look at the lineup. Put down the pipe, try actually watching Kuba with an objective eye. Pointless arguing with you, you won't change your opinion on this, even though you are completely wrong.

Man, if Michalek had this a month ago... he'd be back.

shabbs wrote:BooBoo: MacLean said surgery in NYC. Hopes to be back for playoffs. He tried to play through. Scopes are generally three to four weeks.

Should have done this a while ago.

No idea why he didn't just get it done but with that said, if you can add Spezza, Michalek, and Anderson to your team before the playoffs... that's better than any trade you could possibly make. Season ends April 27, playoffs start around the 30th I would imagine. That's 6 weeks... Michalek will be back.

Still holding out hope that Karlsson recovers.

HC@Noon suggesting Murray go out and get a top-6 player ASAP.. dangle Bishop... I'm sure he's trying...