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Hemsky is the most likely target out of Edmonton, I would agree. Hard to say what the asking price could be, other than it would include a d-man.

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:Anyways, after Perry resigning they have to be looking West to get a RW that can play on the top line for a long time. IMO they should be making a move for Eberle or at least trying to pry him out of Edmonton in the hopes they shore up their goaltending and blueline.

If you could make the deal Eberle for Bishop and Cowen, do yo do it? Then turn around and sign Smid who Murray has tried to get a few times already?

On another note though... Hemsky might happen.

Out of all Edmonton's "Young Guns" I think Eberle would be the last one they let go of. Hemsky is probably available for a reasonable return, although who knows with Tambalony.

yeah they're pretty clear up there with saying Eberle isn't going anywhere. I think that's just wishful thinking to think we might be able to get one. I do not want hemsky unless the price is ridiculously low.

I'm not sure Florida would want to turf Fleischmann...He's still a young man at 28.

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:If anyone I think they will move Yak, the others are untouchable.

Probably what I would do as well if I was Edmonton, get a max return for a formers 1st overall and create a ton of depth within the organization.

I remember they wanted Karlsson for #1 overall that year lol.

That was cute.

Another guy they should look strongly at is Cogliano. He's been fantastic this year with an uptempo offense. We all know Murray loves him as well.

With Perry gone though, does Fleischmann become a serious option? Fits the model in Ottawa in terms of age, position, and what he brings. Could be had fairly cheap I would imagine as well.

I would take Fleischmann, even with the big cap hit, as long as the return was low. Hemsky or Fleischmann would work. I can' see St. Louis letting him go but Stewart would be a fantastic acquisition.

NEELY wrote:What does this year have to do with 3 of 4 solid seasons in Ottawa? I can answer that, absolutely nothing.

Try helping yourself before you try helping anyone else.

Other than a 3 month span, his play in Ottawa was the same as it is in Florida, just a different supporting cast.

No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

tim1_2 wrote:I'm not sure Florida would want to turf Fleischmann...He's still a young man at 28.

Money is a concern and they need goaltending help in a big way. I would bet Florida would move Fleischmann if Bishop was involved. Could even be something like Bishop and Hoffman for Fleischmann.

I refuse to believe they go into next season with Markstrom and Clemenson as their 1A 1B.

I thought Florida had the "best prospect pool in the league"?
Why aren't Bjugstad, Shore and Howden in the NHL? Season is lost, might as well give the kids some ice time

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:I'm not sure Florida would want to turf Fleischmann...He's still a young man at 28.

Money is a concern and they need goaltending help in a big way. I would bet Florida would move Fleischmann if Bishop was involved. Could even be something like Bishop and Hoffman for Fleischmann.

I refuse to believe they go into next season with Markstrom and Clemenson as their 1A 1B.

Florida is betting the farm on Markstrom you bet they are.

NEELY wrote:A deal for Stewart you start with Cowen and a 1st... then add Greening. That probably lands him if St.Louis decides they don't want to use the 34 million in cap space they have next year, lol.

St. Louis has a bunch of RFAs to sign and they do not have a lot of money there, they forced John Davidson out due to his big contract.
Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo will not be cheap.
They need an LHD badly as well.

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:I'm not sure Florida would want to turf Fleischmann...He's still a young man at 28.

Money is a concern and they need goaltending help in a big way. I would bet Florida would move Fleischmann if Bishop was involved. Could even be something like Bishop and Hoffman for Fleischmann.

I refuse to believe they go into next season with Markstrom and Clemenson as their 1A 1B.

If that was it for Fleish, I would pull the trigger right away. Sadly, I think it'll be a 1st round pick - which, coming from a contender is 18-30. That's about fair value IMO and something I doubt we want to give up.

Neat option though. Intriguing to say the least, he's a decent play maker as well as having good shooting instincts. Might be a target.

I doubt we will trade with Florida since they will be in our division next year. Don't want to help them out at all.

NEELY wrote:No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

Enough with the points argument. If you are on the PP because your competition is Brian Lee, Matt Carkner, Chris Phillips, Luke Richardson and Jason Smith you will get points by accident. His first year he was the best Dman on the team, but he was still brutal.

Also if you want proof that Karlsson carried him compare this year to last year, one off season does not account for this drop off:

2012-13

Florida
Games: 27
Goals: 1
Assists: 3
Points: 4
Plus/Minus: -11

2011-12

Ottawa
Games: 73
Goals: 6
Assists: 26
Points: 32
Plus/Minus: 26

I think Karlsson's numbers last year would have been even better without that friggin' anchor playing beside him.

GAME - SET - MATCH.

The way they played this year, no one can help them.

When does Bishop play enough minutes/games to get his official RFA status? Gotta be soon....

SpezDispenser wrote:The way they played this year, no one can help them.

You don't trade within the division.

shabbs wrote:When does Bishop play enough minutes/games to get his official RFA status? Gotta be soon....

I think that's already happened.

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:No it wasn't. His first year he had 40 points in 70 games and was the teams best D man. His 2nd year he was having a solid season again until he was injured. His 3rd season was awful along with the rest of the team so if you want to pick that season out and use it against his overall body of work, fine. His last season he was very solid and his partner won a Norris trophy.... not a bad year by any stretch.

The "reasons" you list like "he would have been this without Karlsson" or "he would have been that if not for the players around him"... it's BS because there is no proof or any real concrete facts behind it. Guesses on your part.

Enough with the points argument. If you are on the PP because your competition is Brian Lee, Matt Carkner, Chris Phillips, Luke Richardson and Jason Smith you will get points by accident. His first year he was the best Dman on the team, but he was still brutal.

Also if you want proof that Karlsson carried him compare this year to last year, one off season does not account for this drop off:

2012-13

Florida
Games: 27
Goals: 1
Assists: 3
Points: 4
Plus/Minus: -11

2011-12

Ottawa
Games: 73
Goals: 6
Assists: 26
Points: 32
Plus/Minus: 26

I think Karlsson's numbers last year would have been even better without that friggin' anchor playing beside him.

GAME - SET - MATCH.

lol, in your mind buddy. You aren't talking to some simp who plays NHL13 all day.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:I'm not sure Florida would want to turf Fleischmann...He's still a young man at 28.

Money is a concern and they need goaltending help in a big way. I would bet Florida would move Fleischmann if Bishop was involved. Could even be something like Bishop and Hoffman for Fleischmann.

I refuse to believe they go into next season with Markstrom and Clemenson as their 1A 1B.

Florida is betting the farm on Markstrom you bet they are.

NEELY wrote:A deal for Stewart you start with Cowen and a 1st... then add Greening. That probably lands him if St.Louis decides they don't want to use the 34 million in cap space they have next year, lol.

St. Louis has a bunch of RFAs to sign and they do not have a lot of money there, they forced John Davidson out due to his big contract.
Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo will not be cheap.
They need an LHD badly as well.

They is no way Tallon feeds him to the wolves next year and says "here you go, good luck kid". They need a guy that can split time and be counted on for a while before he takes over the reigns there. Tallon is no idiot.