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Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Someone asked Cory Pronman if Lehner is the best goalie prospect.

Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman wrote:
It's between him and Vasilevski right now. RT @PrinceLuai: @coreypronman [Lehner] best goalie prospect?

Are you %^^&(@# kidding me? He's comparing what Lehner has done in the AHL/NHL to what Vasilevski is doing in the KHL? Jeff Glass has the 4th best SV% in the KHL right now! Jeff Freakin' Glass! I know Lehner has a few years on him so what he is doing is impressive, but he's a few years away from being really tested. There's no way you could put him on the same level with any prospects actually paying -- and playing at an elite level -- in the top leagues here.

For the record, Vasilevski is 3-1 with a .918 SV% and 2.27 GAA.

Don't look at stats, look at skill. Vasilevski is a really good. Not defending Corey Poonman though, he's a Richard.

your argument is a bit weak because you could say "look at (insert career AHL goalie with great stats here) has the ___ best ___ in the AHL right now!"

The only thing I've got to go with this guy is stats. Sorry, but I'm not going to compare a professional player with a resume including the Calder Cup MVP, a few NHL games under his belt with a shutout of the defending Champs and currently the best SV% in the next best league to the NHL, to this guy's junior career, and put them on the same level. In the pros (KHL) he's done alright, but nothing earth shattering. When Jeff Glass can be in the top-five in SV% you know the calibre of the shots is not very high.

Has he got potential? Of course, he says. I'm just saying that, based on what we have seen so far (and this guy Pronman hasn't been over to Russia, so he hasn't seen any more than we have) I can't put them in the same category, let alone same level.

NEELY wrote:Who the *uck is Corey Pronman?

a draft "expert" from Florida who watches all the games online and talks to scouts

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:Who the *uck is Corey Pronman?

a draft "expert" from Florida who watches all the games online and talks to scouts

Nobody, gotcha.

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Someone asked Cory Pronman if Lehner is the best goalie prospect.

Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman wrote:
It's between him and Vasilevski right now. RT @PrinceLuai: @coreypronman [Lehner] best goalie prospect?

Are you %^^&(@# kidding me? He's comparing what Lehner has done in the AHL/NHL to what Vasilevski is doing in the KHL? Jeff Glass has the 4th best SV% in the KHL right now! Jeff Freakin' Glass! I know Lehner has a few years on him so what he is doing is impressive, but he's a few years away from being really tested. There's no way you could put him on the same level with any prospects actually paying -- and playing at an elite level -- in the top leagues here.

For the record, Vasilevski is 3-1 with a .918 SV% and 2.27 GAA.

Don't look at stats, look at skill. Vasilevski is a really good. Not defending Corey Poonman though, he's a Richard.

your argument is a bit weak because you could say "look at (insert career AHL goalie with great stats here) has the ___ best ___ in the AHL right now!"

The only thing I've got to go with this guy is stats. Sorry, but I'm not going to compare a professional player with a resume including the Calder Cup MVP, a few NHL games under his belt with a shutout of the defending Champs and currently the best SV% in the next best league to the NHL, to this guy's junior career, and put them on the same level. In the pros (KHL) he's done alright, but nothing earth shattering. When Jeff Glass can be in the top-five in SV% you know the calibre of the shots is not very high.
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But again, that's dumb to say because in the AHL you have guys like Barry Brust and Danny Taylor, two nobodies, who are in the Top 5 in save percentage.

Vasilievski would be a top goalie in the AHL as well.

I'm not saying he's up with Lehner though

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Someone asked Cory Pronman if Lehner is the best goalie prospect.

Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman wrote:
It's between him and Vasilevski right now. RT @PrinceLuai: @coreypronman [Lehner] best goalie prospect?

Are you %^^&(@# kidding me? He's comparing what Lehner has done in the AHL/NHL to what Vasilevski is doing in the KHL? Jeff Glass has the 4th best SV% in the KHL right now! Jeff Freakin' Glass! I know Lehner has a few years on him so what he is doing is impressive, but he's a few years away from being really tested. There's no way you could put him on the same level with any prospects actually paying -- and playing at an elite level -- in the top leagues here.

For the record, Vasilevski is 3-1 with a .918 SV% and 2.27 GAA.

Don't look at stats, look at skill. Vasilevski is a really good. Not defending Corey Poonman though, he's a Richard.

your argument is a bit weak because you could say "look at (insert career AHL goalie with great stats here) has the ___ best ___ in the AHL right now!"

The only thing I've got to go with this guy is stats. Sorry, but I'm not going to compare a professional player with a resume including the Calder Cup MVP, a few NHL games under his belt with a shutout of the defending Champs and currently the best SV% in the next best league to the NHL, to this guy's junior career, and put them on the same level. In the pros (KHL) he's done alright, but nothing earth shattering. When Jeff Glass can be in the top-five in SV% you know the calibre of the shots is not very high.
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But again, that's dumb to say because in the AHL you have guys like Barry Brust and Danny Taylor, two nobodies, who are in the Top 5 in save percentage.

Vasilievski would be a top goalie in the AHL as well.

I'm not saying he's up with Lehner though

Don't think that's true at all... he got lost in the shuffle in LA and went over to the KHL to find his game as a starter. He could be a full time NHL goalie by next year and if they move Kipper he will be.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Someone asked Cory Pronman if Lehner is the best goalie prospect.

Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman wrote:
It's between him and Vasilevski right now. RT @PrinceLuai: @coreypronman [Lehner] best goalie prospect?

Are you %^^&(@# kidding me? He's comparing what Lehner has done in the AHL/NHL to what Vasilevski is doing in the KHL? Jeff Glass has the 4th best SV% in the KHL right now! Jeff Freakin' Glass! I know Lehner has a few years on him so what he is doing is impressive, but he's a few years away from being really tested. There's no way you could put him on the same level with any prospects actually paying -- and playing at an elite level -- in the top leagues here.

For the record, Vasilevski is 3-1 with a .918 SV% and 2.27 GAA.

Don't look at stats, look at skill. Vasilevski is a really good. Not defending Corey Poonman though, he's a Richard.

your argument is a bit weak because you could say "look at (insert career AHL goalie with great stats here) has the ___ best ___ in the AHL right now!"

The only thing I've got to go with this guy is stats. Sorry, but I'm not going to compare a professional player with a resume including the Calder Cup MVP, a few NHL games under his belt with a shutout of the defending Champs and currently the best SV% in the next best league to the NHL, to this guy's junior career, and put them on the same level. In the pros (KHL) he's done alright, but nothing earth shattering. When Jeff Glass can be in the top-five in SV% you know the calibre of the shots is not very high.
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But again, that's dumb to say because in the AHL you have guys like Barry Brust and Danny Taylor, two nobodies, who are in the Top 5 in save percentage.

Vasilievski would be a top goalie in the AHL as well.

I'm not saying he's up with Lehner though

Don't think that's true at all... he got lost in the shuffle in LA and went over to the KHL to find his game as a starter. He could be a full time NHL goalie by next year and if they move Kipper he will be.

Fair enough, but Brust still stands. Point is, it's dumb to say you can't say somebody in the KHL is good because Jeff Glass is putting up good numbers

I think if Vasilevski didn't play in the WJC as a 17 year old he wouldn't have even been considered a 1st round pick... just like Fluery wouldn't have been the 1st overall if it wasn't for the WJC. That is a tournament that if I was a scout, I would avoid in its entirety.

As for the stats... you have to see goalies play, simple as that. in the KHL you get way more time to read and react as a goaltender, bigger ice, not crashing and banging in the crease, etc. Not saying this is the case with Vasilevski but like you said, Glass looks like an all-star there.

Lehner has proven at every level he's been at he's the best. Next stop is the NHL and I hope it is sooner than later.

As per MacLean Sens won't be keeping 8 D men, they want the young guys playing. My guess is Borowiecki takes the trip back to Bingo and the next call up if anything happens will be Gryba... his turn

Gryba is +25 (leads the league) and plays the most minutes in there right now. Mh...

LeKing wrote:Gryba is +25 (leads the league) and plays the most minutes in there right now. Mh...

Yup, he has turned into a great defensive D man in the AHL. About time they get a look at him in the NHL because there will be an open slot next year on the right side.

What happened with Borowiecki? Why are we sending one of our only physical D-men back? He's had maybe 1 poor game, aside from that he's been great. Too bad it's a numbers game right now.

SpezDispenser wrote:What happened with Borowiecki? Why are we sending one of our only physical D-men back? He's had maybe 1 poor game, aside from that he's been great. Too bad it's a numbers game right now.

Weircioch fits better into the overall team system it seems.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:What happened with Borowiecki? Why are we sending one of our only physical D-men back? He's had maybe 1 poor game, aside from that he's been great. Too bad it's a numbers game right now.

Weircioch fits better into the overall team system it seems.

I've come to quite like Wiercioch, but the issue is the physicality on our back end. I guess it's a puck possession team a la the Wings, but I really felt Boro had made some major strides personally.

I guess he'll go back down and be the next in line again, which means no Gryba for quite a while.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:What happened with Borowiecki? Why are we sending one of our only physical D-men back? He's had maybe 1 poor game, aside from that he's been great. Too bad it's a numbers game right now.

Weircioch fits better into the overall team system it seems.

I've come to quite like Wiercioch, but the issue is the physicality on our back end. I guess it's a puck possession team a la the Wings, but I really felt Boro had made some major strides personally.

I guess he'll go back down and be the next in line again, which means no Gryba for quite a while.

Haven't really heard or seen anything that suggests that toughness on the backend is an issue. Don't have to be overly tough with Karlsson playing 30 mins a night. Sens are not getting pushed around in their own end or in front of their own net. The idea is to score and Weircioch has done enough to show he is capable of moving the puck and a very high level.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:What happened with Borowiecki? Why are we sending one of our only physical D-men back? He's had maybe 1 poor game, aside from that he's been great. Too bad it's a numbers game right now.

Weircioch fits better into the overall team system it seems.

I've come to quite like Wiercioch, but the issue is the physicality on our back end. I guess it's a puck possession team a la the Wings, but I really felt Boro had made some major strides personally.

I guess he'll go back down and be the next in line again, which means no Gryba for quite a while.

Haven't really heard or seen anything that suggests that toughness on the backend is an issue. Don't have to be overly tough with Karlsson playing 30 mins a night. Sens are not getting pushed around in their own end or in front of their own net. The idea is to score and Weircioch has done enough to show he is capable of moving the puck and a very high level.

The Sens won't get pushed around, it's more about having some snarl in your bottom pairing or even on your 2nd pairing. Boro's a guy that makes the other team keep their head up, whether it's coming down his side, or especially in front of Anderson. That's where I've seen some softness from guys like Gonchar, Wiercioch, Benoit, even Phillips. You love to have a guy who'll come in there when they're Cussing around in front of the best goalie in the league and literally move them out of the way and I saw Boro do that numerous times.

In the end, it doesn't really matter though because what I've seen from Boro is a bright NHL future, it's only a matter of time.

Benoit isn't coming out of the lineup anytime soon either so the argument for who should be staying is kind of pointless. Who ever is staying is the 7th D man right now.

NEELY wrote:Benoit isn't coming out of the lineup anytime soon either so the argument for who should be staying is kind of pointless. Who ever is staying is the 7th D man right now.

I assume it'll rotate between Wiercioch and Benoit.

Methot - Karlsson
Phillips - Gonchar
Wiercioch/Benoit - Lundin

Wiercioch/Benoit

We'll see, I wouldn't be surprised to see Lundin come out on occasion either. I don't think I would take Benoit out for any reason other than an injury right now, he's been fantastic in his role.