What does it take to get Nash?

Big Ev wrote:

Number Twenty Nine wrote:stupid question: With all the giving the farm for Nash talk, why wouldn't Ottawa go for Parise. It's not a done deal in PITT is it?

no but I don't think Parise will even think about Ottawa at all. No chance really. Ottawa has never signed a big time free agent.

History will be made?

With every day that goes by I think more and more that getting Nash is a huge mistake.

1) His salary might end up causing contempt in the locker (ie. Spezza). I imagine hockey isn't different than other professions where jealousy and contempt breeds among co-workers who make more than you. Apparently this is why Buffalo blew up last year when a bunch of highly paid underachievers rolled in.

2) Nash will become the main target of criticism by fans and media the moment people sense he's not living up to that contract. Much like other Canadian fan bases we tend to turn overpaid underachievers, look at what happened with Gonchar and Kuba. I can see the headlines now.

3) Finally it appears he doesn't want to be here and why would want someone like that. Build up the team with players who were drafted and developed by the organization.

It really seems very likely this will blow up in our face. Just sign Parenteau at 4.5x4 on July 1st, he's from Hull so he's the only player on the market who might actually want to play here.

It's exactly like the Heatley situation now except Nash may not regress to the same level Heatley has. He's not going to waive to come to Ottawa, the guy wants to live on the shore of an ocean, collect his cash, and just go along for the ride with a cup contender.

Great players like Crosby, Toews, Datsyuk, are guys that came to a crap team, worked hard, and found a way to get the job done. Nash... couldn't get it done in Columbus and asked for a trade and you know what? Fair enough, the organization is trash but he's going to hand pick where he wants to go which is wrong.

Sens are better off without him, think I am totally off this little "Nash to Ottawa" idea. Build the team they want because right now they are headed down a very good path.

NEELY wrote:It's exactly like the Heatley situation now except Nash may not regress to the same level Heatley has. He's not going to waive to come to Ottawa, the guy wants to live on the shore of an ocean, collect his cash, and just go along for the ride with a cup contender.

Great players like Crosby, Toews, Datsyuk, are guys that came to a crap team, worked hard, and found a way to get the job done. Nash... couldn't get it done in Columbus and asked for a trade and you know what? Fair enough, the organization is trash but he's going to hand pick where he wants to go which is wrong.

Sens are better off without him, think I am totally off this little "Nash to Ottawa" idea. Build the team they want because right now they are headed down a very good path.

I think it's waaay too early to early to come to that judgment. All we're hearing right now is hear-say and speculation. If Nash doesn't want to come to OTT, I'm sure BM would instantly drop the matter and walk away -- he's all too familiar with the Heatley precedent. Trust the judgment of your GM more than what the rumours are saying.

rooneypoo wrote:

NEELY wrote:It's exactly like the Heatley situation now except Nash may not regress to the same level Heatley has. He's not going to waive to come to Ottawa, the guy wants to live on the shore of an ocean, collect his cash, and just go along for the ride with a cup contender.

Great players like Crosby, Toews, Datsyuk, are guys that came to a crap team, worked hard, and found a way to get the job done. Nash... couldn't get it done in Columbus and asked for a trade and you know what? Fair enough, the organization is trash but he's going to hand pick where he wants to go which is wrong.

Sens are better off without him, think I am totally off this little "Nash to Ottawa" idea. Build the team they want because right now they are headed down a very good path.

I think it's waaay too early to early to come to that judgment. All we're hearing right now is hear-say and speculation. If Nash doesn't want to come to OTT, I'm sure BM would instantly drop the matter and walk away -- he's all too familiar with the Heatley precedent. Trust the judgment of your GM more than what the rumours are saying.

Murray is about "a million" as the chillens say. And probably senile. Fire his wrinkled a$$!!!

rooneypoo wrote:

NEELY wrote:It's exactly like the Heatley situation now except Nash may not regress to the same level Heatley has. He's not going to waive to come to Ottawa, the guy wants to live on the shore of an ocean, collect his cash, and just go along for the ride with a cup contender.

Great players like Crosby, Toews, Datsyuk, are guys that came to a crap team, worked hard, and found a way to get the job done. Nash... couldn't get it done in Columbus and asked for a trade and you know what? Fair enough, the organization is trash but he's going to hand pick where he wants to go which is wrong.

Sens are better off without him, think I am totally off this little "Nash to Ottawa" idea. Build the team they want because right now they are headed down a very good path.

I think it's waaay too early to early to come to that judgment. All we're hearing right now is hear-say and speculation. If Nash doesn't want to come to OTT, I'm sure BM would instantly drop the matter and walk away -- he's all too familiar with the Heatley precedent. Trust the judgment of your GM more than what the rumours are saying.

Ottawa was not and has at no point been on his list. Maybe that changes but I really doubt it.

rooneypoo wrote:
I think it's waaay too early to early to come to that judgment. All we're hearing right now is hear-say and speculation. If Nash doesn't want to come to OTT, I'm sure BM would instantly drop the matter and walk away -- he's all too familiar with the Heatley precedent. Trust the judgment of your GM more than what the rumours are saying.

Murray is just hoping to have the best offer that Columbus actually and hopes that Nash will waive just to get the hell out of Columbus.

But if he really wants to go to one of the big teams and save a few million on taxes then there is no way anything will happen.

NEELY wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

NEELY wrote:It's exactly like the Heatley situation now except Nash may not regress to the same level Heatley has. He's not going to waive to come to Ottawa, the guy wants to live on the shore of an ocean, collect his cash, and just go along for the ride with a cup contender.

Great players like Crosby, Toews, Datsyuk, are guys that came to a crap team, worked hard, and found a way to get the job done. Nash... couldn't get it done in Columbus and asked for a trade and you know what? Fair enough, the organization is trash but he's going to hand pick where he wants to go which is wrong.

Sens are better off without him, think I am totally off this little "Nash to Ottawa" idea. Build the team they want because right now they are headed down a very good path.

I think it's waaay too early to early to come to that judgment. All we're hearing right now is hear-say and speculation. If Nash doesn't want to come to OTT, I'm sure BM would instantly drop the matter and walk away -- he's all too familiar with the Heatley precedent. Trust the judgment of your GM more than what the rumours are saying.

Ottawa was not and has at no point been on his list. Maybe that changes but I really doubt it.

I just don't get how anyone could know anything about this 'list.'

To me, BM doesn't follow up if Howsen tells him Nash won't go to OTT. I trust BM far enough to believe that he is only pursing this because he is under the impression that it is an option -- and I trust him enough, too, to believe that he would know if he were being used or duped.

I have no idea where things go from here -- I just know I'm super skeptical about claims that anyone beyond BM, SH, and Nash knows anything for sure about the situation.

Who knows but if Nash says no, please, do not beg like the Oilers. It did so much damage to that organization it will takes years to recover.

NEELY wrote:Who knows but if Nash says no, please, do not beg like the Oilers. It did so much damage to that organization it will takes years to recover.

That would be a nightmare, I hope Murray knows better than to go down that road.

I think going after Nash does send a message that we're trying to win though.

Hoags wrote:
1) His salary might end up causing contempt in the locker (ie. Spezza). I imagine hockey isn't different than other professions where jealousy and contempt breeds among co-workers who make more than you. Apparently this is why Buffalo blew up last year when a bunch of highly paid underachievers rolled in.

Then by that reasoning and logic, Alfredsson is jealous of Spezza, since he is the captain and yet is not the highest paid player. Therefore he ought to be resentful.

2) Nash will become the main target of criticism by fans and media the moment people sense he's not living up to that contract. Much like other Canadian fan bases we tend to turn overpaid underachievers, look at what happened with Gonchar and Kuba. I can see the headlines now.

Don't see how that is different - he's been the captain of his team for a long time and has faced criticisms. So instead of it being in Columbus it will be somewhere else.

3) Finally it appears he doesn't want to be here and why would want someone like that. Build up the team with players who were drafted and developed by the organization.

So it is ok to trade Bishop, Turris, Gonchar and Michalek because they were not drafted or developed by the Sens.

It really seems very likely this will blow up in our face. Just sign Parenteau at 4.5x4 on July 1st, he's from Hull so he's the only player on the market who might actually want to play here.

Good idea - go sign the guy who has had 2 decent seasons with the Islanders to a long term, hefty deal! Can't see how that could backfire. It's not like anyone ha ever had one good season with one team and been rewarded by another, only to realize that that player is not the player they thought he was.

Agreed with Rooney, nobody knows anything about the situation except Nash, Howson and the other GMs.

If you honestly think Murray is wasting his time or being manipulated, then you clearly have no faith in his competency, thus I cannot expect you to support any moves he makes.

Riprock wrote:Agreed with Rooney, nobody knows anything about the situation except Nash, Howson and the other GMs.

If you honestly think Murray is wasting his time or being manipulated, then you clearly have no faith in his competency, thus I cannot expect you to support any moves he makes.

I have no faith in his contenancy... Get that old fool some Depends and hire a real GM that can get us The Nasher!!!!

Riprock wrote:
Then by that reasoning and logic, Alfredsson is jealous of Spezza, since he is the captain and yet is not the highest paid player. Therefore he ought to be resentful.

Wrong scenario, I am talking about a highly paid player signing or being traded to a new team and not pulling their weight. And Alfie being resentful of anyone .... .

Don't see how that is different - he's been the captain of his team for a long time and has faced criticisms. So instead of it being in Columbus it will be somewhere else.

Criticism in Ottawa(Canada) is a lot different than criticism in Columbus, where maybe 5 people care.

So it is ok to trade Bishop, Turris, Gonchar and Michalek because they were not drafted or developed by the Sens.

I'm talking about staying the course and building the core, essential members of the team by the draft.

Good idea - go sign the guy who has had 2 decent seasons with the Islanders to a long term, hefty deal! Can't see how that could backfire. It's not like anyone ha ever had one good season with one team and been rewarded by another, only to realize that that player is not the player they thought he was.

At least those 2 good seasons happened recently, when's the last time Nash had a good season ? 08-09 ?
At least PA's numbers have been trending upwards, Nash is trending downwards.
At least it would only cost us money, not to mention much less money than Nash.
At least he outproduced Nash on an equally awful team/franchise this year.
At least he's far more likely to want to come here.

No player acquisition is without risk though.

But hey I get it, Nash is your favorite player etc.

No need to quarrel, let me remind you that my sources have an Ottawa Top 6 of:

Nash / Spezza / Parenteau
Michalek / Turris / The Alfie

More to come.

SeawaySensFan wrote:No need to quarrel, let me remind you that my sources have an Ottawa Top 6 of:

Nash / Spezza / Parenteau
Michalek / Turris / The Alfie

More to come.

Steve Nash would be awesome on the Sens, he gets like 8-10 assists a game

The boys on Hockeycentral @ Noon keep talking about "4 pieces" that Howson wants in a Nash deal. Two prospects for depth and two roster players that can help right now. That seems to be the demand.

shabbs wrote:The boys on Hockeycentral @ Noon keep talking about "4 pieces" that Howson wants in a Nash deal. Two prospects for depth and two roster players that can help right now. That seems to be the demand.

He's out to lunch, no team will give him that.