What does it take to get Nash?

NEELY wrote:Howsen is going to have to take something but if Parise signs in Pitt... you can bet NYR will pay out the a$$ for Nash and I think that's what he might be banking on.

They may as well wrap it up now then. I think Shero suspected Staal might want to move and made that huge offer to confirm that (upon refusal from Staal).

Dumping Michalek means Parise will be a Penguin.

Trading Staal was the right move. He's an o.k player (NHL terms). Probably a 2nd line center, more like a 3rd. He gets to play some pretty easy min for the Pens so we'll see how he does in Carolina.

If Parise goes to the Pens... man, they better find a way to solidify their blueline because after that Flyers series it showed some serious issues.

As for Nash, if Parise stays in NJ or goes out west, I think Howsen is SOL. If he signs in NY or Pitt, one of those 2 teams will pay through the roof.

NEELY wrote:Trading Staal was the right move. He's an o.k player (NHL terms). Probably a 2nd line center, more like a 3rd. He gets to play some pretty easy min for the Pens so we'll see how he does in Carolina.

If Parise goes to the Pens... man, they better find a way to solidify their blueline because after that Flyers series it showed some serious issues.

As for Nash, if Parise stays in NJ or goes out west, I think Howsen is SOL. If he signs in NY or Pitt, one of those 2 teams will pay through the roof.

I'm not sure what PIT would offer. Perhaps The Flower for starters?

No idea honestly but yah, FLuery might be a logical starting point.

Doubt Pittsburgh is too interested in Nash. I think their number one choice is Suter - and I think they'll acquire his rights to try to sign him early. Following that, I think they'll definitely go for Parise.

I have zero idea of their lineup, but I assume they cannot move Martin right now, so:

Suter - Letang
Depres - Orpik
Martin - Niskanen

Something like that I would assume. I would bet $$ that Suter is a Pen soon.

Hmm I thought suter to Detroit was a done deal

You're missing Lovejoy and Engelland in there, and then there's this Brain Strait (RFA), too, who I know nothing of. Plus, I think PIT wants to make room for another prospect D on top of Despres... Morrow, I think?

All that to say: PIT would have to make a lot of moves to fit Suter in.

Anyway, from an OTT perspective: how bad has Martin been? Like, has he just been underwhelming offensively (which doesn't surprise me)? OTT probably needs to add a steady lefty partner for Karlsson, to replace Kuba, and Martin could presumable be had for a half pint of Jim Beam and a pack of smokes. So, how bad has Martin been?

Looking over OTT's roster, you know what's really remarkable? OTT has zero bad contracts to get rid of. I mean, Spezza at $7 mil for 3 more years is an overpay of about $1 mil, but the term is reasonable, and Gonchar at $5.5 mil is an overpay for sure, but this is his last year. After that, the worst we have is.... Butler for $1 mil, for one more year. OTT's going to have a hard time effecting any dollar-for-dollar trades, if that's a priority.

For what it's worth, btw: Senschirp is tweeting today that $$ is not an issue when it comes to Nash (even if it was with respect to Z. Michalek):

"SensChirp ‏@SensChirp

Hate to be a tease but I can confirm from a great source the #Sens interest in Rick Nash is very real and continues beyond Draft day. For what it's worth, budget has nothing to do with this. Melnyk is completely on board with any Nash deal."

rooneypoo wrote:

"SensChirp ‏@SensChirp

Hate to be a tease but I can confirm from a great source the #Sens interest in Rick Nash is very real and continues beyond Draft day. For what it's worth, budget has nothing to do with this. Melnyk is completely on board with any Nash deal."

I know it's SensChirp, but it's pretty obvious the Sens want Nash, and the fact they do speaks volumes about how good he is.

rooneypoo wrote:You're missing Lovejoy and Engelland in there, and then there's this Brain Strait (RFA), too, who I know nothing of. Plus, I think PIT wants to make room for another prospect D on top of Despres... Morrow, I think?

All that to say: PIT would have to make a lot of moves to fit Suter in.

Anyway, from an OTT perspective: how bad has Martin been? Like, has he just been underwhelming offensively (which doesn't surprise me)? OTT probably needs to add a steady lefty partner for Karlsson, to replace Kuba, and Martin could presumable be had for a half pint of Jim Beam and a pack of smokes. So, how bad has Martin been?

Looking over OTT's roster, you know what's really remarkable? OTT has zero bad contracts to get rid of. I mean, Spezza at $7 mil for 3 more years is an overpay of about $1 mil, but the term is reasonable, and Gonchar at $5.5 mil is an overpay for sure, but this is his last year. After that, the worst we have is.... Butler for $1 mil, for one more year. OTT's going to have a hard time effecting any dollar-for-dollar trades, if that's a priority.

For what it's worth, btw: Senschirp is tweeting today that $$ is not an issue when it comes to Nash (even if it was with respect to Z. Michalek):

"SensChirp ‏@SensChirp

Hate to be a tease but I can confirm from a great source the #Sens interest in Rick Nash is very real and continues beyond Draft day. For what it's worth, budget has nothing to do with this. Melnyk is completely on board with any Nash deal."

That's a big thing, Butler is one I guess, but other than that, there's no wasted money in that lineup at all.

Not sure how bad Martin was in Pittsburgh, but the fans hate him.

Good chance Butler is waived come training camp. Unless he somehow pulls a BOchenski in training camp and continues that kind of play, he won't be in lineup come game 1.

As for Nash, we'll see what happens but I'm not holding my breath. Don't need anyone to tell me that the Sens want Nash, pretty obvious. Question is does Nash want the Sens? I will guess no.

I think Murray can pawn Butler off this summer to someone, probably as part of a package for another player, perhaps as a 1 for 1 for an AHLer. We'll see, but I bet he does.

Since it's up to Nash, I don't think he ends up in Ottawa. Canadian team which means millions more in taxes, and a small market to boot, which means he's hard pressed to make up the difference in endorsements. And the kicker is that Ottawa -- nevermind what they did last year -- is in a rebuild. They are in tough to make the playoffs this year because one injury (Spezza, Karlsson, Anderson or, to a lesser extent, Michalek, Alfredsson), or any regression in play from sophomores (Greening, Condra, Cowen) or underperformance from the rookies (Silfverberg, Borowiecki, Zibanejad?) or a less than great play by Anderson -- any one of those could derail the playoff train. Adding Nash will help with one of those question marks, but there are just so many others.

On the other hand you have the Rangers and Pittsburgh -- both legitimate contenders. US (lower taxes) and larger markets. And has anyone run the numbers for LA? With Penner gone there's room in their top-six, and only 11 signed through 2014 so lots of room to maneuver if need be.

I just don't see how Nash would pick Ottawa unless he was a huge fan and thought they were just one piece away from being a lock in for the Finals.

SpezDispenser wrote:I think Murray can pawn Butler off this summer to someone, probably as part of a package for another player, perhaps as a 1 for 1 for an AHLer. We'll see, but I bet he does.

Given his performance last year, nobody would take him except to play in the AHL. And at that salary, forget it. Maybe Murray can get something for him but I think he'd have to take on an even worse contract coming back. Butler is young, I think a buy out would only be half his salary. I'm with NEELY on this one -- if he doesn't hit it out of the park in training camp/pre-season and playing like he is on fire in October he'll most likely be waived.

Where's all this tax talk coming from lol?

Federal Tax rates in Canada are 29% over $132,406. In the USA, the taxes are 35% over $372,951.

35%>29%.

Then add 11.6% in Ontario, compared to whatever the state taxes are.

3.07% in P.A.

4%-8.97% in N.Y.

1%-9.3% in C.A.

Riprock wrote:Then add 11.6% in Ontario, compared to whatever the state taxes are.

3.07% in P.A.

4%-8.97% in N.Y.

1%-9.3% in C.A.

A lot of states don't even have income tax. Also, property tax in Canadian cities is insane. Nash will take home millions more playing in the US.

I doubt it will be millions more.

I just showed you the facts - higher federal taxes, and the state taxes vary. Property taxes? He can live anywhere he wants, he will be travelling most of the year. I think it's overblown.

I know for a fact that playing in Montreal on a 4 million dollar salary vs San Jose, the take home is a million more.