What does it take to get Nash?

I hope Nash doesn't waive .... ugh.

Big Ev wrote:APortzline:

Howson said no offers are close. "They have a ways to go yet."

Heh.

Enjoy a disgruntled Nash on your roster with Bobrovsky in net and a donkey rodeo in general.

Us trading for Nash will be like the Leafs trading for Kessel.

Ugh wish we could have 2 GMs, one for drafting (Murray) and another for trades because Murray has lost it.

Hoags wrote:Us trading for Nash will be like the Leafs trading for Kessel.

Ugh wish we could have 2 GMs, one for drafting (Murray) and another for trades because Murray has lost it.

No, it's not, at all. OTT has its starting goalie of now (Anderson) and of the future (Lehner), it's top-2 D (Karlsson and Cowen, one of them Norris calibre already), its top 2 centres (Spezza and Turris), a real captain, a cupboard full of assets with a bright future, and is a team on the rise. There is absolutely nothing similar about the situations, at all. Not even remotely.

Burke gave up three high draft picks thinking that his team was a lot better than it was, and ended up looking like a fool because his team was a basement dweller and in no position to compete. OTT would be giving up drafted and roster players, whose value don't fluctuate like draft picks, to acquire a player who would strengthen their chances of returning to the playoffs and of competing when there. OTT was 1 or 2 goals, or about 10 minutes of idiot-free hockey, away from beating NYR -- and, honestly, after BOS and PIT, OTT can play with any team in the east.

A world of difference here.

Not that I think a Nash trade would be overly positive for the Sens but it is NOTHING like the Kessel trade. The Kessel trade put the Leafs back 5-10 years.

Hoags wrote:Us trading for Nash will be like the Leafs trading for Kessel.

Ugh wish we could have 2 GMs, one for drafting (Murray) and another for trades because Murray has lost it.

you realize that there are a number of other people involved in the decision-making process right? Ottawa has world class amateur scouts, and solid evaluators by Murray's side. If Murray makes the decision to trade for Nash it will be on the opinions of his pro scouts and his assistants and his other staff for the most part. He wouldn't make a decision that nobody else agrees with IMO.

It's not AS bad as the Leafs but then again Kessel was 21 when they got him and an asset rising in value with a lower salary.

Nash is 28 and is slowly depreciating in value and a massive cap hit to boot.

In the end, I think we're making a big trade thinking the team is better than it is. Unless we win the Cup with Nash it's not worth it and we need more than Nash to win it(that's not a blueline you go deep in the playoffs with).

Hoags wrote:It's not AS bad as the Leafs but then again Kessel was 21 when they got him and an asset rising in value with a lower salary.

Nash is 28 and is slowly depreciating in value and a massive cap hit to boot.

In the end, I think we're making a big trade thinking the team is better than it is. Unless we win the Cup with Nash it's not worth it and we need more than Nash to win it(that's not a blueline you go deep in the playoffs with).

That's fairer, but still a little off, I think.

You may be right about Nash, and certainly people do question him, but it is painfully clear that OTT needs to add a top-line winger -- someone who can, not replace (because that can't be done), but help to fill the void Alfie's retirement will create. This team is in desperate need of adding top-line talent, not 3-4 years from now, but yesterday, now. It needs to get done ASAP. If Alfie retires this year or next, and we can't get a legitimate top-liner, we will have one of the sorriest top 6s in the league, with three legitimate top end guys (Spezza, Michalek, and Turris, who is a bit of a stretch at this point), and then a bunch of rookies and tweeners. For me, BM has to make sure that that nightmare situation doesn't come about.

Did anyone watch the Murray scrum?

Don Brennan: Would the price for Nash be the same as the price for a Bobby Ryan?

Murray: Bobby Ryan? He plays for Anaheim? I don't know anything about him. I haven't talked to anybody about him.

???

Big Ev wrote:Did anyone watch the Murray scrum?

Don Brennan: Would the price for Nash be the same as the price for a Bobby Ryan?

Murray: Bobby Ryan? He plays for Anaheim? I don't know anything about him. I haven't talked to anybody about him.

???

Cheeky.

The added value of Nash (or another top-end talent) is it allows whatever forward prospects are left some time to grow on the 3rd line instead of being pushed into minutes that they aren't ready for.

Big Ev wrote:Did anyone watch the Murray scrum?

Don Brennan: Would the price for Nash be the same as the price for a Bobby Ryan?

Murray: Bobby Ryan? He plays for Anaheim? I don't know anything about him. I haven't talked to anybody about him.

???

He should have just said: "Shut the Diddle up you Cussing moron. Has Konopka's dog crapped on you again?"

dennycrane wrote:The added value of Nash (or another top-end talent) is it allows whatever forward prospects are left some time to grow on the 3rd line instead of being pushed into minutes that they aren't ready for.

That's true, too. I for one am not ready to pencil in Zibanejad / Silfverberg / Stone into our top 6 before they even show that they can hold down a spot on an NHL roster.

Again, you can't manage a team and live in the horizon. There's always going to be another draft and another FA period, but you also have to play the games and compete year in and year out. OTT has a few clear holes that need to be filled very soon -- at least one top-end winger, and one top-4 lefty D to help shelter a very young Cowen.

dennycrane wrote:The added value of Nash (or another top-end talent) is it allows whatever forward prospects are left some time to grow on the 3rd line instead of being pushed into minutes that they aren't ready for.

That's what I said a couple of days ago.

rooneypoo wrote:

You may be right about Nash, and certainly people do question him, but it is painfully clear that OTT needs to add a top-line winger -- someone who can, not replace (because that can't be done), but help to fill the void Alfie's retirement will create. This team is in desperate need of adding top-line talent, not 3-4 years from now, but yesterday, now. It needs to get done ASAP. If Alfie retires this year or next, and we can't get a legitimate top-liner, we will have one of the sorriest top 6s in the league, with three legitimate top end guys (Spezza, Michalek, and Turris, who is a bit of a stretch at this point), and then a bunch of rookies and tweeners. For me, BM has to make sure that that nightmare situation doesn't come about.

Yes replacing Alfie is the only reason I am not flat out against this but Howson is really pushing it with his demands.

Even with our sorry top-6, we were still tops in league scoring last year.

If Melnyk isn't against this it's probably because he thinks Nash will help sell (season) tickets.

Hoags wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

You may be right about Nash, and certainly people do question him, but it is painfully clear that OTT needs to add a top-line winger -- someone who can, not replace (because that can't be done), but help to fill the void Alfie's retirement will create. This team is in desperate need of adding top-line talent, not 3-4 years from now, but yesterday, now. It needs to get done ASAP. If Alfie retires this year or next, and we can't get a legitimate top-liner, we will have one of the sorriest top 6s in the league, with three legitimate top end guys (Spezza, Michalek, and Turris, who is a bit of a stretch at this point), and then a bunch of rookies and tweeners. For me, BM has to make sure that that nightmare situation doesn't come about.

Yes replacing Alfie is the only reason I am not flat out against this but Howson is really pushing it with his demands.

Even with our sorry top-6, we were still tops in league scoring last year.

If Melnyk isn't against this it's probably because he thinks Nash will help sell (season) tickets.

You may be right there, too. I certainly would not be willing to do much more than Zbad + Bishop + Foligno. Zbad + Lehner + 1st rounder to me is out if the question.

rooneypoo wrote:
You may be right there, too. I certainly would not be willing to do much more than Zbad + Bishop + Foligno. Zbad + Lehner + 1st rounder to me is out if the question.

If they acquired Bobrovsky I think Lehner and Bishop aren't wanted anymore. They probably want Stone, Cowen, Silfverberg etc.

Hoags wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:
You may be right there, too. I certainly would not be willing to do much more than Zbad + Bishop + Foligno. Zbad + Lehner + 1st rounder to me is out if the question.

If they acquired Bobrovsky I think Lehner and Bishop aren't wanted anymore. They probably want Stone, Cowen, Silfverberg etc.

I don't see it that way. I see the Bobrovsky trade as clearing the way to ship out Mason, and to bring in a young goalie like Bishop/Lehner/Bernier/Schnieder, etc. -- with Bob being the #1B choice for the year, but the young goalie being the team's goalie of the future. I totally think Mason is done in CLB -- too many years of stumbling for him have shattered the team's / organization's / fan base's faith in that guy. Just a guess on my part, tho', admittedly.