What does it take to get Nash?

stempniaksen wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:
If only for a few games.. Karlsson & Cowen did play together. They looked okay... but they each need a little more experience before going there again.

Time for it to become full time now IMO. Cowen's a beast.

He's not ready, keep him with Gonch next year and watch him flourish.

Also, stay away from Nash.

DirtDiddler wrote:Nash to the big smoke?!?

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:

I think Borowiecki-Carkner are more than fine as a bottom pairing. You don't expect -- or need -- future HoFers down there. I'm a bit concerned with Cowen-Karlsson as the top pairing, but mainly because those two have not player together yet. That said, at the first signs of trouble you swap Cowen for Phillips and bob's your uncle. I'd trust Phillips on the top pairing if the Human Flash is out there with him. That would also leave Cowen-Gonchar unchanged from last year.

Sure, there are some issues here but far from what I would call "terrible shape".

We haven't even signed Carkner though. So we have these gaping holes all over the defence. I agree, Boroweicki and Jurcina would be a decent 3rd pairing with Carkner as the 7th D-man, but I do find it a little nerve wracking to think that we're losing Kuba and not replacing him - or replacing him with Phillips is more accurate. A good veteran, but is he as effective as Kuba was given Kuba's minutes on the 2nd pairing? And who plays in Kuba's spot on the PP? Etc. etc..

sandysensfan wrote:

If only for a few games.. Karlsson & Cowen did play together. They looked okay... but they each need a little more experience before going there again.

SeawaySensFan wrote:This is all making me wonder... "What does it take to get Nash?"

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:This is all making me wonder... "What does it take to get Nash?"

Yeah, any updates on that? Any Habs trade rumors?

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:

I think Borowiecki-Carkner are more than fine as a bottom pairing. You don't expect -- or need -- future HoFers down there. I'm a bit concerned with Cowen-Karlsson as the top pairing, but mainly because those two have not player together yet. That said, at the first signs of trouble you swap Cowen for Phillips and bob's your uncle. I'd trust Phillips on the top pairing if the Human Flash is out there with him. That would also leave Cowen-Gonchar unchanged from last year.

Sure, there are some issues here but far from what I would call "terrible shape".

We haven't even signed Carkner though. So we have these gaping holes all over the defence. I agree, Boroweicki and Jurcina would be a decent 3rd pairing with Carkner as the 7th D-man, but I do find it a little nerve wracking to think that we're losing Kuba and not replacing him - or replacing him with Phillips is more accurate. A good veteran, but is he as effective as Kuba was given Kuba's minutes on the 2nd pairing? And who plays in Kuba's spot on the PP? Etc. etc..

Carkner, with a full training camp, is a very solid bottom pairing guy. Don't want Jurcina.

As for replacing Kuba on the PP, didn't you know that Phillips led the team in PP goals? And I would definitely try a forward at one of the points as a regular, for sure. Not sure who, Silfverberg, Turris, Alfie?

I think we are better of on D than you (or Hoags) think. Don't forget that at the start of the year we had no Carkner, we *did* have Rundblad and Anderson was playing with a stye in his eye for 3 months.

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:

I think Borowiecki-Carkner are more than fine as a bottom pairing. You don't expect -- or need -- future HoFers down there. I'm a bit concerned with Cowen-Karlsson as the top pairing, but mainly because those two have not player together yet. That said, at the first signs of trouble you swap Cowen for Phillips and bob's your uncle. I'd trust Phillips on the top pairing if the Human Flash is out there with him. That would also leave Cowen-Gonchar unchanged from last year.

Sure, there are some issues here but far from what I would call "terrible shape".

We haven't even signed Carkner though. So we have these gaping holes all over the defence. I agree, Boroweicki and Jurcina would be a decent 3rd pairing with Carkner as the 7th D-man, but I do find it a little nerve wracking to think that we're losing Kuba and not replacing him - or replacing him with Phillips is more accurate. A good veteran, but is he as effective as Kuba was given Kuba's minutes on the 2nd pairing? And who plays in Kuba's spot on the PP? Etc. etc..

Carkner, with a full training camp, is a very solid bottom pairing guy. Don't want Jurcina.

As for replacing Kuba on the PP, didn't you know that Phillips led the team in PP goals? And I would definitely try a forward at one of the points as a regular, for sure. Not sure who, Silfverberg, Turris, Alfie?

I think we are better of on D than you (or Hoags) think. Don't forget that at the start of the year we had no Carkner, we *did* have Rundblad and Anderson was playing with a stye in his eye for 3 months.

Not convinced. Don't want Phillips on the PP - maybe a forward, but I've said for a while I think the key to us making the playoffs will be our power play - which sucked last year in all honesty. If we go back next season with the same makeup - but without Kuba on the point - where does that leave us? Potentially in the bottom third of the league in percentages - and a possible playoff miss because of it.

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not convinced. Don't want Phillips on the PP - maybe a forward, but I've said for a while I think the key to us making the playoffs will be our power play - which sucked last year in all honesty. If we go back next season with the same makeup - but without Kuba on the point - where does that leave us? Potentially in the bottom third of the league in percentages - and a possible playoff miss because of it.

DirtDiddler wrote:Nash already penciled into the line up in the big smoke.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not convinced. Don't want Phillips on the PP - maybe a forward, but I've said for a while I think the key to us making the playoffs will be our power play - which sucked last year in all honesty. If we go back next season with the same makeup - but without Kuba on the point - where does that leave us? Potentially in the bottom third of the league in percentages - and a possible playoff miss because of it.

Our PP was ranked #11 in the regular season, I don't see how that 'sucks'. PK was 20th, it's our defense that's awful. Too many brain farts and old, slow defenders trending downwards with no succession plan in place right now and only Borowiecki looking like an NHL D-man from our prospect pool.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not convinced. Don't want Phillips on the PP - maybe a forward, but I've said for a while I think the key to us making the playoffs will be our power play - which sucked last year in all honesty. If we go back next season with the same makeup - but without Kuba on the point - where does that leave us? Potentially in the bottom third of the league in percentages - and a possible playoff miss because of it.

Our PP was ranked #11 in the regular season, I don't see how that 'sucks'. PK was 20th, it's our defense that's awful. Too many brain farts and old, slow defenders trending downwards with no succession plan in place right now and only Borowiecki looking like an NHL D-man from our prospect pool.

That's pretty impressive, I'm surprised they got that up to 11, I thought they were around 16. So let's say we need to continue to trend of being 11 or higher to make the playoffs, with Kuba not coming back and no replacement set up yet, what are we doing here?

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not convinced. Don't want Phillips on the PP - maybe a forward, but I've said for a while I think the key to us making the playoffs will be our power play - which sucked last year in all honesty. If we go back next season with the same makeup - but without Kuba on the point - where does that leave us? Potentially in the bottom third of the league in percentages - and a possible playoff miss because of it.

Our PP was ranked #11 in the regular season, I don't see how that 'sucks'. PK was 20th, it's our defense that's awful. Too many brain farts and old, slow defenders trending downwards with no succession plan in place right now and only Borowiecki looking like an NHL D-man from our prospect pool.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
Not convinced. Don't want Phillips on the PP - maybe a forward, but I've said for a while I think the key to us making the playoffs will be our power play - which sucked last year in all honesty. If we go back next season with the same makeup - but without Kuba on the point - where does that leave us? Potentially in the bottom third of the league in percentages - and a possible playoff miss because of it.

Our PP was ranked #11 in the regular season, I don't see how that 'sucks'. PK was 20th, it's our defense that's awful. Too many brain farts and old, slow defenders trending downwards with no succession plan in place right now and only Borowiecki looking like an NHL D-man from our prospect pool.

That's pretty impressive, I'm surprised they got that up to 11, I thought they were around 16. So let's say we need to continue to trend of being 11 or higher to make the playoffs, with Kuba not coming back and no replacement set up yet, what are we doing here?

Time for young "Philly" to step up and post some numbers. It's about time that he gets his shot.