What does it take to get Nash?

Still have 72 hrs until it has to be done.

Riprock wrote:According to some guy I have never heard of. Yeah sure... and Murray always says what he is thinking. He's never mislead anyone or made them think one thing while meaning another.

Can't argue.

BTW the Rangers could offer Kreider, Erixon, JT Miller, a 1st, McIlrath, etc. They wouldn't lose any of their current team except Kreider who only played in the playoffs.

SpezDispenser wrote:Didn't take long for Murray to run from that it sounds like.

Dude, why are you believing this? As someone else pointed out, the same thing was said about Turris and the Sens. People know nothing, myself included. 72 hours from now, it will all be resolved, hopefully.

If BM and SH are taling and SH is asking for more than BM wants to pay, BM says he isn't interested. But ovbviosuly SH wants what OTT has.

Howson is the car salesman. Nash is a 2002 BMW. Murray is a potential buyer but doesn't like the ticket price, so he says nah, not interested, knowing the salesman will come down a bit. It's simple, basic negotiation.

Big Ev wrote:BTW the Rangers could offer Kreider, Erixon, JT Miller, a 1st, McIlrath, etc. They wouldn't lose any of their current team except Kreider who only played in the playoffs.

Except that it would make no sense. Erixon is probably on the team next year, Kreider is a huge piece for NY. If Faulk is a deal breaker for CAR then Kreider is to NY.

Riprock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:BTW the Rangers could offer Kreider, Erixon, JT Miller, a 1st, McIlrath, etc. They wouldn't lose any of their current team except Kreider who only played in the playoffs.

Except that it would make no sense. Erixon is probably on the team next year, Kreider is a huge piece for NY. If Faulk is a deal breaker for CAR then Kreider is to NY.

The stuff you want to get rid of from Ottawa is the exact same. They are our "huge pieces" and "deal breakers" as far as I'm concerned.

It keeps things entertaining; that's for sure !

just pull a Mike Keenan: "Hey Scott, I hear Nick Dash is available"

99% sure that Murray said that they were 'likely out' on Kyle Turris as well. Here is the closest I could find to anything factual on that: https://twitter.com/sungarrioch/statuses/147705090923442178

Everyone forgets how much Murray strings along the media. Didn't he say that he hoped to begin negotiations today with EK?

When I heard Ryan was back on the market, all I could think of is Anaheim trying to Diddle with Columbus a bit while weighing their own options on offers for Ryan. Ryan on the market - a two million less, is a much more attractive option for most teams - especially the Rangers.

Murray's mind Cussing the media at all times...

Big Ev wrote:

Riprock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:BTW the Rangers could offer Kreider, Erixon, JT Miller, a 1st, McIlrath, etc. They wouldn't lose any of their current team except Kreider who only played in the playoffs.

Except that it would make no sense. Erixon is probably on the team next year, Kreider is a huge piece for NY. If Faulk is a deal breaker for CAR then Kreider is to NY.

The stuff you want to get rid of from Ottawa is the exact same. They are our "huge pieces" and "deal breakers" as far as I'm concerned.

Well, Kreider is 7 years Nash's junior, has played in 14 more playoff games, and has 7 pts to Nash's 3. NY is really high on him, as you see by putting him into the lineup. It makes no sense for NY to put him in a trade for Nash.

Zibanejad is nowhere near Kreider at all. One played in NA in NCAA then appeared in 18 playoff games, putting up 7 points (5 goals). Zibanejad played 9 NHL games before being sent to the SEL where his team finished out of the league, and he suffered two concussions. You can downplay that all you want, but he is not at Kreider's level right now.

The Rangers are the Leafs of the USA in that they always end up in every deal or FA signing some how. Seems like everyone that does sign there doesn't do all that well considering the talen they supposedly have.

Ottawa absolutely needs a top 6 forward - and who is there? We are talking about NOW and not "hopefully in a few years". We are not signing Parise, and if Parise was under contract and on the block, you'd be paying the same for him as you would Nash. As I said they are identical in stats, one just played on a superior team.

Ottawa can trade their assets and not even be affected, whereas most teams like NY and SJ would pretty much subtract as much or more than they add.

dennycrane wrote:99% sure that Murray said that they were 'likely out' on Kyle Turris as well. Here is the closest I could find to anything factual on that: https://twitter.com/sungarrioch/statuses/147705090923442178

Everyone forgets how much Murray strings along the media. Didn't he say that he hoped to begin negotiations today with EK?

If we're not really out of it, it's just a negotiation tactic. Murray made his offer, Howson either rejected it or (more likely) wanted more.

Murray hangs up and tells the media he is not interested and we wait and see what happens.

http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/murray-has-kicked-tires-on-potential-nash-deal

“Realistically, I don’t know,” Murray said. “But I think my job as a general manager is to investigate every possibility to improve our hockey team and that’s what I’ve done. I’ve talked to Scott on the basis of what we might be able to do and we’ll just have to see what he comes back with, if he does.

“My job is always to be involved, if I can, in any big player transaction.”

Nash could be traded somewhere in the next few days, with draft picks being included as part of the deal. Columbus is scheduled to pick second at Friday’s entry draft in Pittsburgh.

“I’m not sure the urgency that Columbus has,” Murray said. “It seems to me that it’s not a big, big hurry and they’re going to do it on their terms. They’re going to try and include as many teams as they can. The impression I got is that when it happens, it happens.”

Riprock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

Riprock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:BTW the Rangers could offer Kreider, Erixon, JT Miller, a 1st, McIlrath, etc. They wouldn't lose any of their current team except Kreider who only played in the playoffs.

Except that it would make no sense. Erixon is probably on the team next year, Kreider is a huge piece for NY. If Faulk is a deal breaker for CAR then Kreider is to NY.

The stuff you want to get rid of from Ottawa is the exact same. They are our "huge pieces" and "deal breakers" as far as I'm concerned.

Well, Kreider is 7 years Nash's junior, has played in 14 more playoff games, and has 7 pts to Nash's 3. NY is really high on him, as you see by putting him into the lineup. It makes no sense for NY to put him in a trade for Nash.

Zibanejad is nowhere near Kreider at all. One played in NA in NCAA then appeared in 18 playoff games, putting up 7 points (5 goals). Zibanejad played 9 NHL games before being sent to the SEL where his team finished out of the league, and he suffered two concussions. You can downplay that all you want, but he is not at Kreider's level right now.

Ottawa absolutely needs a top 6 forward - and who is there? We are talking about NOW and not "hopefully in a few years". We are not signing Parise, and if Parise was under contract and on the block, you'd be paying the same for him as you would Nash. As I said they are identical in stats, one just played on a superior team.

They already did put Kreider in a deal for Nash, at the trade deadline.

I, along with many in the NHL world, consider Zibanejad a better prospect than Kreider. Just because one is more NHL ready doesn't make him better. THN's rankings compiled by NHL scouts had Zibanejad 5th and Kreider 23. The two aren't that close when comparing them at the same age. I guarantee you Ottawa would not trade Zibanejad for Kreider. Plus, Ottawa would have put Zibanejad in the playoffs too if it wasn't for his health and contract situation.

I know you're talking about NOW but WHY are we talking about now again? Why is everybody impatient? Stay the course and good things will happen. We trust the Sens management and development of players. The Palladium was not built in a day folks!

Are you sure they offered Kreider at any point. I understood that they didn't want to part with him or McDonagh.

Crazy dream, right? Well, not according to Ottawa Senators general manager Bryan Murray, who has talked with Columbus Blue Jackets counterpart Scott Howson “several times” about a possible trade.

“Realistically, I don’t know,” Murray said. “But I think my job as a general manager is to investigate every possibility to improve our hockey team and that’s what I’ve done. I’ve talked to Scott on the basis of what we might be able to do and we’ll just have to see what he comes back with, if he does.

“My job is always to be involved, if I can, in any big player transaction.”

http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/murray-has-kicked-tires-on-potential-nash-deal

Is it news that Murray has investigated the possibility of obtaining Nash? I would assume 28 other GMs have done the same.

I don't think you can believe NY offered Kreider, just like you can't believe that Murray explicitly told someone that Zibanejad would be traded for him. It's likely speculation on someone's part.