What does it take to get Nash?

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:
If Lehner is the piece they truly want for Nash... I don't see how you don't make that move. You add Nash to your lineup without taking taking a top 6 forward or top 4 D man out of it... How do you not make that trade given that the others pieces are reasonable.

If It's Lehner/Foligno/1st/mid tier prospect... you do it.

All of this is off the assumption salary isn't an issue either.

Because Lehner is everything we've ever wanted here in Ottawa, from his attitude to his skills to his 'cocky' demeanour. I view him as the most important bridge from Anderson to our next starter - especially given the almost too perfect timeline where Lehner would get one more year in the AHL, then 2 years as backup to Anderson, then to the starter role with as much mentoring as the Sens organization can heap on him. I bet he'd be the backbone to our franchise, a Henrik Lundqvist behind a much better team than the Rangers have.

Of all the people, I would expect you to understand my burning desire to keep Lehner, even if it means Nash is off the table.

Lehner is my favorite prospect by a mile... doesn't mean I don't make that trade. You can draft another goalie, sign for one, trade for one, w/e. Fact of the matter is Lehner isn't a roster player in Ottawa and getting a player like Nash for him is absolutely a no brainer. I love Lehner and I'm not a huge Nash fan, but I'm going to call a spade a spade here and you make that deal 100% of the time.

I guess that's where we differ. I see a young Lundqvist in Lehner and I don't want to let that go - especially in this goalie graveyard.

I see a goaltender with every single chance to be a star. I also see a goaltender than has never been the #1 guy for an entire season. You risk losing out on a Nash deal for a goaltender than has never been able to establish himself as a #1 aside from playing in SSM.

NEELY wrote:I see a goaltender with every single chance to be a star. I also see a goaltender than has never been the #1 guy for an entire season. You risk losing out on a Nash deal for a goaltender than has never been able to establish himself as a #1 aside from playing in SSM.

Please, please, please let us wait until we re-assess him this year with a renewed Bingo squad. Rick Nash's come around once in a while, Lundqvist's don't, that's all I'm saying...

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:I see a goaltender with every single chance to be a star. I also see a goaltender than has never been the #1 guy for an entire season. You risk losing out on a Nash deal for a goaltender than has never been able to establish himself as a #1 aside from playing in SSM.

Please, please, please let us wait until we re-assess him this year with a renewed Bingo squad. Rick Nash's come around once in a while, Lundqvist's don't, that's all I'm saying...

Maybe, maybe not. Depends how everyone views Nash vs Lehner plus pieces. If someone said Lehner for Nash straight up you do it... not even sure it's a question.

Normally I'd let this go right now, because no one can talk me into it being a good idea to move Lehner when we're on the cusp of something special with him and the rest of our prospects, but....seeing as how Dreger thinks Nash will have to expand his list and that Ottawa is in on him....it's not a moot point right now.

If Lehner goes, I hope to heck Murray is aggressive in expanding the deal slightly. Maybe it's Methot, maybe not, they have David Savard, a young puck mover on the cusp of being an NHL regular. Probably farmed enough at this point to make the NHL next season, he's got to be looked at as one of their - if not their top prospect. Kill the 2nd bird with one stone and nab him - even if it costs you extra.

3rd piece coming from Columbus HAS to be their 2nd rounder - again, even if it means pieces moving from our side. There we'd be able to draft a goalie - and possibly even Subban, although I doubt it.

If the Sens can somehow swing a deal that involves Clb 2nd and go out and grab Dansk... then the goaltending depth is replaced right away.

SpezDispenser wrote:Normally I'd let this go right now, because no one can talk me into it being a good idea to move Lehner when we're on the cusp of something special with him and the rest of our prospects, but....seeing as how Dreger thinks Nash will have to expand his list and that Ottawa is in on him....it's not a moot point right now.

If Lehner goes, I hope to heck Murray is aggressive in expanding the deal slightly. Maybe it's Methot, maybe not, they have David Savard, a young puck mover on the cusp of being an NHL regular. Probably farmed enough at this point to make the NHL next season, he's got to be looked at as one of their - if not their top prospect. Kill the 2nd bird with one stone and nab him - even if it costs you extra.

3rd piece coming from Columbus HAS to be their 2nd rounder - again, even if it means pieces moving from our side. There we'd be able to draft a goalie - and possibly even Subban, although I doubt it.

There may be a good opportunity to take an extra salary that fills a need so I'd be shocked if this wasn't a blockbuster proposal.

NEELY wrote:If the Sens can somehow swing a deal that involves Clb 2nd and go out and grab Dansk... then the goaltending depth is replaced right away.

Zibanejad
Foligno
Lehner
15th overall
Ottawa 3rd Rounder 2012
Nashville 3rd Rounder 2012

for

Nash
31st overall
Savard

That's what I proposed on HF. Not sure why I was hovering around HF, but this morning there's a buzz in the air ever since Dreger said Nash would have to widen his list of teams.

Way too complex IMO. Maybe the flip the 15th for the 31st in the deal but it won't get that complicated or complex.

Sounds like Howson is negotiating with Nash through the media to try and get him to expand his list of teams.

Hoags wrote:Sounds like Howson is negotiating with Nash through the media to try and get him to expand his list of teams.

Unreal how he can basically control where he lands. Really don't think there is a chance he comes to Ottawa.

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:Sounds like Howson is negotiating with Nash through the media to try and get him to expand his list of teams.

Unreal how he can basically control where he lands. Really don't think there is a chance he comes to Ottawa.

Yeah. When you have a guy like Dreger say that Ottawa has the assets to make the deal and doesn't rule out the possibility that Nash could be convinced to play here, it will make losing the Nash sweeps hurt even more.

In all honesty, I think there's a deal that might already be done for Nash but again, does Nash want to come to another small city where he's a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Ottawa is no Columbus but it isn't NY, Toronto, or LA. Doesn't have the weather Carolina or San Jose has...

Ottawa is a smaller market team that plays in a very cold part of Canada... tough to try and convince Nash otherwise.

NEELY wrote:In all honesty, I think there's a deal that might already be done for Nash but again, does Nash want to come to another small city where he's a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Ottawa is no Columbus but it isn't NY, Toronto, or LA. Doesn't have the weather Carolina or San Jose has...

Ottawa is a smaller market team that plays in a very cold part of Canada... tough to try and convince Nash otherwise.

I wonder what Howson does if the "chosen" teams just won't meet him, let's say, halfway...

NEELY wrote:In all honesty, I think there's a deal that might already be done for Nash but again, does Nash want to come to another small city where he's a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Ottawa is no Columbus but it isn't NY, Toronto, or LA. Doesn't have the weather Carolina or San Jose has...

Ottawa is a smaller market team that plays in a very cold part of Canada... tough to try and convince Nash otherwise.

Nash is from Brampton, I think he's all too familiar with the weather.

I think our mention in the Nash sweepstakes is just Columbus trying to drum up more interest, I'm sure Murray did kick the tires on Nash though. Maybe trying to get Nash to increase his list as well.

It sounds like Murray will pull the trigger on something at the draft though.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:In all honesty, I think there's a deal that might already be done for Nash but again, does Nash want to come to another small city where he's a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Ottawa is no Columbus but it isn't NY, Toronto, or LA. Doesn't have the weather Carolina or San Jose has...

Ottawa is a smaller market team that plays in a very cold part of Canada... tough to try and convince Nash otherwise.

Nash is from Brampton, I think he's all too familiar with the weather.

I think our mention in the Nash sweepstakes is just Columbus trying to drum up more interest, I'm sure Murray did kick the tires on Nash though. Maybe trying to get Nash to increase his list as well.

It sounds like Murray will pull the trigger on something at the draft though.

Might be familiar with it, doesn't mean he wants it.

Starting to feel that the proposal I made holds water.

Savard = highly touted, puck moving D-man

31st overall = one of the 4 goaltending prospects

Nash = Nash

NEELY wrote:
Might be familiar with it, doesn't mean he wants it.

Well Toronto was on his initial list of teams, weather down there isn't different from here.