What does it take to get Nash?

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:They should go out and get a defenceman. They should improve the team. There's just no chance they make a deal for a guy like Nash. You can improve your team without affecting your cupboard of prospects.

Once the team gets better and you see what you have, then you can make a big trade after evaluating your prospects in the pros.

I've said the same thing for a while. Now's not the time for Nash - although there likely won't be another chance to acquire him, but there will be others.

Agreed. Thursday or Friday. But not now.

It's a big fat no for me if they want Cowen. Not a chance.

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Riprock wrote:1st overall pick + Mika Zibanejad + Bishop

Dealio.

I think we're much better off keeping those three assets. If I'm trading a prospect for Nash I'm capitalizing on the hype and dealing Silfverberg to CBJ. Still don't want to trade for Nash though. We're fine without him. Nor do I think we can make the best offer out there.

Yeah? Kinda surprised to hear you say that considering that's not that huge a price to pay...or I didn't think it was personally.

it's not a lot to pay, I just think Zibanejad is untouchable right now and we don't need another underachiever from the GTA.

Ask Columbus if they would trade for Carter again.

That's pretty selective history right there. Ask ANA if it was worth it to trade for Pronger. Or LA if it was worth it to trade for Richards, and Carter. Or BOS if it was worth it to trade for Horton.

That story can and does go either way. I can't think of too many big, big name trades (they're so rare), but there are certainly examples of those impact players having an immediate, cup-winning effect.

The difference being Anaheim was already loaded and was primed to contend. LA? Already loaded roster, really didn't need Schenn or Simmonds. A team like Columbus who was in no position to contend goes out and deals a nice 8th overall pick and a great young player in Voracek for Jeff Carter.

Ottawa is in no position to contend for a Cup, so I don't think they should be doing any trades of the sort at this time.

ps the Horton trade was really nothing special so I'm not sure why you're putting that in the same conversation.

If you really don't think OTT is in a position to contend, you clearly weren't watching the hockey. OTT took NYR to 7 games, and definitely could have won that series. OTT is right on the cusp, not 3 years from now, but right now, especially if they make a few deft moves this off-season. They stack up with any team in the east with the exceptions of BOS and PIT -- and as this year's playoffs have reminded us once again, anything can and does happen in the postseason.

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Riprock wrote:1st overall pick + Mika Zibanejad + Bishop

Dealio.

I think we're much better off keeping those three assets. If I'm trading a prospect for Nash I'm capitalizing on the hype and dealing Silfverberg to CBJ. Still don't want to trade for Nash though. We're fine without him. Nor do I think we can make the best offer out there.

Yeah? Kinda surprised to hear you say that considering that's not that huge a price to pay...or I didn't think it was personally.

it's not a lot to pay, I just think Zibanejad is untouchable right now and we don't need another underachiever from the GTA.

Ask Columbus if they would trade for Carter again.

That's pretty selective history right there. Ask ANA if it was worth it to trade for Pronger. Or LA if it was worth it to trade for Richards, and Carter. Or BOS if it was worth it to trade for Horton.

That story can and does go either way. I can't think of too many big, big name trades (they're so rare), but there are certainly examples of those impact players having an immediate, cup-winning effect.

The difference being Anaheim was already loaded and was primed to contend. LA? Already loaded roster, really didn't need Schenn or Simmonds. A team like Columbus who was in no position to contend goes out and deals a nice 8th overall pick and a great young player in Voracek for Jeff Carter.

Ottawa is in no position to contend for a Cup, so I don't think they should be doing any trades of the sort at this time.

ps the Horton trade was really nothing special so I'm not sure why you're putting that in the same conversation.

If you really don't think OTT is in a position to contend, you clearly weren't watching the hockey. OTT took NYR to 7 games, and definitely could have won that series. OTT is right on the cusp, not 3 years from now, but right now, especially if they make a few deft moves this off-season. They stack up with any team in the east with the exceptions of BOS and PIT -- and as this year's playoffs have reminded us once again, anything can and does happen in the postseason.

I watched it. You know what I meant. I don't think Nash increases their chances anymore than going with what we have right now + our futures.

I think there'll be opportunities to acquire impact players in the next calender year. I've thought that was gonna be our primary focus when we miss on Parise and co. anyway. Perry and Getzlaf may or may not make UFA, but for sure there'll be big names moving - there always are.

I'd wait and see how we do this year and where we're at come the trade deadline before making any massive moves. We're a year of maturing for Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Stone etc. minimum from being a real contender.

The focus should be on a top pairing D-man to balance our top 4.

The reason why Nash is being talked about so much is the fact that he and Spezza would look quite nice together and the underlying fear that a few people have (rightfully so) that we're in tough to make the playoffs this year. Not saying we'll miss, but it'll be really tough.

Im with Ev, I think the Sens are a season or two away from making THIS kind of move. LA has some of their prospects established already and knew when and where they can make a move. They also signed guys like Scudari and Mitchell to really fill holes that they were not able to fill internally.

The Sens need to make a decent trade or signing on the back end before they sell part of the farm on a 1st line talent. You also have to see where guys like Stone, Zibanejad, Silfverberg, and Noesen are going to fit in up front. See what you have.

You also have to see where Boroweicki, Wiercoich, Claeson, and to a lesser extent this years draft pick fits in.

After a year or two when you can make an educated guess as to where the Sens will be at seasons end or the end of the next season... that's when you make a move with assets.

Perhaps Bishop takes over the #1 position and that's the guy teams want going forward. Perhaps Stone becomes a 20 goal guy off the bat and a team like Winnipeg (AS AN EXAMPLE) gives up Kane for him in a fairly straight up fashion. Let things play out a little

SpezDispenser wrote:
The reason why Nash is being talked about so much is the fact that he and Spezza would look quite nice together and the underlying fear that a few people have (rightfully so) that we're in tough to make the playoffs this year. Not saying we'll miss, but it'll be really tough.

1) Nash is being talked about because he is the biggest name out there, players like him are rarely available. I really really doubt Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan will be available and if so the price will be as high as Nash. People are complaining about the price of Nash this year, next year they'll be complaining about the price of someone else.

2) Spezza needs another talented winger on his line, ever since the Pizza line ceased to exist. I think we could have beaten NY if #19 didn't have to carry that line by himself. Michalek is a great complimentary player, and Greening isn't even a top-6 forward. If you shutdown Spezza, the #1 line effectively disappears. That is a problem, there is a reason Maclean would occasionally put Alfie on there if we needed a goal. When Alfie retires we are SOL. Maybe our prospects can fill in here, maybe not, it's a tall order.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:
The reason why Nash is being talked about so much is the fact that he and Spezza would look quite nice together and the underlying fear that a few people have (rightfully so) that we're in tough to make the playoffs this year. Not saying we'll miss, but it'll be really tough.

1) Nash is being talked about because he is the biggest name out there, players like him are rarely available. I really really doubt Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan will be available and if so the price will be as high as Nash. People are complaining about the price of Nash this year, next year they'll be complaining about the price of someone else.

2) Spezza needs another talented winger on his line, ever since the Pizza line ceased to exist. I think we could have beaten NY if #19 didn't have to carry that line by himself. Michalek is a great complimentary player, and Greening isn't even a top-6 forward. If you shutdown Spezza, the #1 line effectively disappears. That is a problem, there is a reason Maclean would occasionally put Alfie on there if we needed a goal. When Alfie retires we are SOL. Maybe our prospects can fill in here, maybe not, it's a tall order.

I don't think I'd say we're SOL when Alfie retires. It won't be a happy day in terms of his on and off ice leadership, but there are guys in the organization who are playing now who will need to take the reigns and prospects who will need to learn what it takes to be a leader on and off the ice - whether it's with a letter or not.

Plus, that bridge should be crossed next summer when Alfie actually retires, because until we hear otherwise, I would pencil him in this year. That leadership can come in all shapes and sizes - whether it's a guy like Ryan Smyth (this year) or someone of that ilk down the road, there are guys around the league who have been there and done it. If you try to replace Alfredsson, you'll fail. If you try to replace some of his leadership, you can do it.

No we are 100% SOL.

Very very very few players have a career like Alfie and have such an impact on their organization on and off the ice. Chances of any of our prospects doing that are slim. Alfie has been clutch, works hard on and off the ice and sets an example to everyone.

Leadership is a huge problem as well, I don't want Spezza "leading" this team, he couldn't lead a dog to a fire hydrant to piss on. He's OK as an A.

Oh well, it was a fun ride while it lasted then.

Hoags wrote:No we are 100% SOL.

Very very very few players have a career like Alfie and have such an impact on their organization on and off the ice. Chances of any of our prospects doing that are slim. Alfie has been clutch, works hard on and off the ice and sets an example to everyone.

Leadership is a huge problem as well, I don't want Spezza "leading" this team, he couldn't lead a dog to a fire hydrant to piss on. He's OK as an A.

That's where the Nasher comes in. I wonder... "What does it take to get Nash?"...

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:
If Lehner is the piece they truly want for Nash... I don't see how you don't make that move. You add Nash to your lineup without taking taking a top 6 forward or top 4 D man out of it... How do you not make that trade given that the others pieces are reasonable.

If It's Lehner/Foligno/1st/mid tier prospect... you do it.

All of this is off the assumption salary isn't an issue either.

Because Lehner is everything we've ever wanted here in Ottawa, from his attitude to his skills to his 'cocky' demeanour. I view him as the most important bridge from Anderson to our next starter - especially given the almost too perfect timeline where Lehner would get one more year in the AHL, then 2 years as backup to Anderson, then to the starter role with as much mentoring as the Sens organization can heap on him. I bet he'd be the backbone to our franchise, a Henrik Lundqvist behind a much better team than the Rangers have.

Of all the people, I would expect you to understand my burning desire to keep Lehner, even if it means Nash is off the table.

I'm pro-Lehner as well. I think we don't really know yet how high the ceiling is for him. We have seen some of that in his 5 game stint this past season. He played well, and the team in front of him had confidence in his play. Remember 6 or 7 of those guys played in front of him during their playoff run.

There was an interesting take on the Team 1200 by Shawn Simpson this morning. He said looking at it from the Columbus side.. he would see them demanded Cowen in the deal. Now that is a definite Murray hang up the phone to me...

Another point... Mike Richards' return was Simmonds, Schenn + a 2nd round pick. Now how much better is Rick Nash than Mike Richards.. and why is the return Columbus wants so much more?

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:
If Lehner is the piece they truly want for Nash... I don't see how you don't make that move. You add Nash to your lineup without taking taking a top 6 forward or top 4 D man out of it... How do you not make that trade given that the others pieces are reasonable.

If It's Lehner/Foligno/1st/mid tier prospect... you do it.

All of this is off the assumption salary isn't an issue either.

Because Lehner is everything we've ever wanted here in Ottawa, from his attitude to his skills to his 'cocky' demeanour. I view him as the most important bridge from Anderson to our next starter - especially given the almost too perfect timeline where Lehner would get one more year in the AHL, then 2 years as backup to Anderson, then to the starter role with as much mentoring as the Sens organization can heap on him. I bet he'd be the backbone to our franchise, a Henrik Lundqvist behind a much better team than the Rangers have.

Of all the people, I would expect you to understand my burning desire to keep Lehner, even if it means Nash is off the table.

I'm pro-Lehner as well. I think we don't really know yet how high the ceiling is for him. We have seen some of that in his 5 game stint this past season. He played well, and the team in front of him had confidence in his play. Remember 6 or 7 of those guys played in front of him during their playoff run.

There was an interesting take on the Team 1200 by Shawn Simpson this morning. He said looking at it from the Columbus side.. he would see them demanded Cowen in the deal. Now that is a definite Murray hang up the phone to me...

Another point... Mike Richards' return was Simmonds, Schenn + a 2nd round pick. Now how much better is Rick Nash than Mike Richards.. and why is the return Columbus wants so much more?

Maybe they're asking high and expecting something comparable to the Richards deal. As I said earlier, I don't even think the 1st round pick actually has to move.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Maybe they're asking high and expecting something comparable to the Richards deal. As I said earlier, I don't even think the 1st round pick actually has to move.

Howson is aiming really high, he's not getting that much. It should be 3 top assets going back like Richards trade (1st, top prospect, top young player) or some combinations of the 3.

I think Shawn Simpson is saying that Columbus needs some proven NHL players in the trade not just prospects who may not even make the NHL. That's too much risk for them. He used Cowen as an example because CBJ wanted Del Zotto or McDonagh.

I wouldn't move Cowen, so that's that if they demand him.

SpezDispenser wrote:I wouldn't move Cowen, so that's that if they demand him.

We'll see what Bryan Murray has to say about that.

SpezDispenser wrote:I wouldn't move Cowen, so that's that if they demand him.

I wouldn't trade the future Chara Jr. for anyone right now.

Hoags wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I wouldn't move Cowen, so that's that if they demand him.

I wouldn't trade the future Chara Jr. for anyone right now.

Nope.