Game Day - Philadelphia @ Ottawa, 7:30PM, Tuesday, October 18, 2011

SeawaySensFan wrote:Spezza was beginning to emerge as a leader under the previous coach. What happened?

They changed coaches.

SeawaySensFan wrote:I don't want to question anything because I might lose the "knowledgeable fan" badge you get when you buy into losing.

Buckle up!!!

There are a ton of things to question. I don't think you can question the coach at this point, he knows what he needs and he what he wants. We'll see in a year or two if the team starts coming around or not.

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Spezza was beginning to emerge as a leader under the previous coach. What happened?

They changed coaches.

Honest question, how many coaches has Spezza had in his 8, 9 years in the NHL? Martin, Murray, Paddock, Harstberg, Clouston, MacLean. That's 6 coaches in 8 seasons, that has to be a record for being on one team.

First things first, we need the team to rally around Anderson. Without him bouncing back, we'll lose every game badly.

Then, after this season is complete, I have to admit, it's time to re-assess Spezza. Phillips I'm not worried about, his NTC is quite limited in year 3, so he'll move on when it's time (or not, whatever), Kuba's time is almost up, Lee's time is probably almost up (as dumb as that is to me, but w/e).

Also, something to ponder seriously is that Alfredsson looks really good, almost completely healthy. Does he want out to a real team?

Michalek I assume will stay on, Regin will stay on, Foligno will stay on, Neil I assume will as well, Konopka can probably go when the deadline comes around, Winchester as well.

This is probably only the beginning of roster changes for a while unfortunately (or fortunately I guess).

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Spezza was beginning to emerge as a leader under the previous coach. What happened?

They changed coaches.

Honest question, how many coaches has Spezza had in his 8, 9 years in the NHL? Martin, Murray, Paddock, Harstberg, Clouston, MacLean. That's 6 coaches in 8 seasons, that has to be a record for being on one team.

Not sure about your point. Is your point that that has to be a record for a team, or for a particular player?

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Spezza was beginning to emerge as a leader under the previous coach. What happened?

They changed coaches.

Honest question, how many coaches has Spezza had in his 8, 9 years in the NHL? Martin, Murray, Paddock, Harstberg, Clouston, MacLean. That's 6 coaches in 8 seasons, that has to be a record for being on one team.

How many coaches has Alfredsson had?

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Spezza was beginning to emerge as a leader under the previous coach. What happened?

They changed coaches.

Honest question, how many coaches has Spezza had in his 8, 9 years in the NHL? Martin, Murray, Paddock, Harstberg, Clouston, MacLean. That's 6 coaches in 8 seasons, that has to be a record for being on one team.

How many coaches has Alfredsson had?

Same amount.

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Spezza was beginning to emerge as a leader under the previous coach. What happened?

They changed coaches.

Honest question, how many coaches has Spezza had in his 8, 9 years in the NHL? Martin, Murray, Paddock, Harstberg, Clouston, MacLean. That's 6 coaches in 8 seasons, that has to be a record for being on one team.

Not sure about your point. Is your point that that has to be a record for a team, or for a particular player?

For a single player. Honestly, I can't think of a guy who has had more coaches than Spezza for one team. 6, 7 coaching changes in 8 or 9 seasons is a frigging ton.

So has Alfredsson, so has Phillips, so has anyone who's been with this team the last decade.

Yeah but the point Neely is making is that this ushering of new coaches came in when Spezza was put on the roster. % wise, Spezza hasn't stuck with the same coach for more than 2.5 seasons (clouston and murray being the only ones).

shabbs wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

shabbs wrote:Oh oh... game not sold out... local blackout in effect? So says Allen Panzeri.

Speaking of buckling up. Nice to see fans get punished for not buying tickets on the heels of a total $hitfest (Colorado game).

A blessing in disguise...

I doubt this will actually happen. Going the blackout route would be suicide.

SpezDispenser wrote:So has Alfredsson, so has Phillips, so has anyone who's been with this team the last decade.

How many changes did they have until Spezza came along?

Michallica wrote:Yeah but the point Neely is making is that this ushering of new coaches came in when Spezza was put on the roster. % wise, Spezza hasn't stuck with the same coach for more than 1.5 seasons (clouston and murray being the only ones).

FIXED!

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Spezza was beginning to emerge as a leader under the previous coach. What happened?

They changed coaches.

Honest question, how many coaches has Spezza had in his 8, 9 years in the NHL? Martin, Murray, Paddock, Harstberg, Clouston, MacLean. That's 6 coaches in 8 seasons, that has to be a record for being on one team.

How many coaches has Alfredsson had?

Same amount.

In twice as many years.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:So has Alfredsson, so has Phillips, so has anyone who's been with this team the last decade.

How many changes did they have until Spezza came along?

I don't see how that is relevant.

Spezza has not been seen as the go-to guy until after Heatley left. Heatley leaving threw this team into disarray. Before that we had Redden/Phillips/Alfredsson/Neil and, for a shorter time also Chara. The Redden/Chara thing scuttled the team quite a bit. What happened with Emery/McGrattan/Heatley blew up the room. All of that happened when Spezza was still one of the young guys with the veterans (Redden, Phillips, Alfredsson, Neil and Fisher, to a lesser extent) in charge of the room. Three of those guys are still here but it'ssafe to say this is now Spezza's watch. So far, not a passing grade, but with lots of extenuating circumstances. After all, it wasn't Spezza who drove Heatley out of town, fired three coaches in 3-4 years, let Chara go, let Emery/McGrattan/Redden/Meszaros party like it's 1999, etc. Oh, and let's not forget the Spartan with the ill-fitting helmet. Can't blame that one on #19 either.

I can ask another question -- how many coaching changes have we been during Muckler's reign (and since it takes 3 years or more to develop players you have to add that many years to the start and end of his actual tenure as GM)).

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:So has Alfredsson, so has Phillips, so has anyone who's been with this team the last decade.

How many changes did they have until Spezza came along?

I don't see how that is relevant.

Spezza has not been seen as the go-to guy until after Heatley left. Heatley leaving threw this team into disarray. Before that we had Redden/Phillips/Alfredsson/Neil and, for a shorter time also Chara. The Redden/Chara thing scuttled the team quite a bit. What happened with Emery/McGrattan/Heatley blew up the room. All of that happened when Spezza was still one of the young guys with the veterans (Redden, Phillips, Alfredsson, Neil and Fisher, to a lesser extent) in charge of the room. Three of those guys are still here but it'ssafe to say this is now Spezza's watch. So far, not a passing grade, but with lots of extenuating circumstances. After all, it wasn't Spezza who drove Heatley out of town, fired three coaches in 3-4 years, let Chara go, let Emery/McGrattan/Redden/Meszaros party like it's 1999, etc. Oh, and let's not forget the Spartan with the ill-fitting helmet. Can't blame that one on #19 either.

I can ask another question -- how many coaching changes have we been during Muckler's reign (and since it takes 3 years or more to develop players you have to add that many years to the start and end of his actual tenure as GM)).

Do people not remember what it was like when Martin was here? Spezza basically got him fired. Justufy things how ever you want, I haven't really said anything about it. I simply asked the question, "is it an NHL record?".

NEELY wrote:

Michallica wrote:Yeah but the point Neely is making is that this ushering of new coaches came in when Spezza was put on the roster. % wise, Spezza hasn't stuck with the same coach for more than 1.5 seasons (clouston and murray being the only ones).

FIXED!

lol it should be 2.5 still....B. Murr was coach for 2 seasons and then after Paddock. Clouston was coach for two full seasons and took over after Hartsburg. 2.5!

Michallica wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Michallica wrote:Yeah but the point Neely is making is that this ushering of new coaches came in when Spezza was put on the roster. % wise, Spezza hasn't stuck with the same coach for more than 1.5 seasons (clouston and murray being the only ones).

FIXED!

lol it should be 2.5 still....B. Murr was coach for 2 seasons and then after Paddock. Clouston was coach for two full seasons and took over after Hartsburg. 2.5!

Well... 9/6 = 1.5.

Either way, can someone just tell me if that's a record for one player on one team?