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tim1_2 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:What's the deal with old folks calling a "Combination" pizza "all-dressed?"

This is an old folk thing, and also a French thing I think.  A lot of my French co-workers (even the youngish ones) call it "all-dressed".  Bunch of idiots.

Wrong. The french would call it "hall-dress."

DirtyDave wrote:I agree with the comments that parents have a huge part if not 100% at fault. If children don't see the parents excerices then they won't think that that is something to be important. Also, dinner table culture is important. Many kids now tell their parents what they want to eat and in general making diner time a stressful experience "eat your vegetables!", "don't eat so much!" etc. these comments can have psychological implications to kids. Or how about parents who give kids food when their bored. Ya all this crap happens and has an effect on future eating happens.

Exactly. If you have pop in the fridge with kids around IMO that is a mistake as a parent that is extremely easy to avoid. The ONLY reason you have pop in the fridge is because "you like it" or "the kids like it". If an 8 year old like smoking weed would you give it to him? Well if it's that or pop I might give a kid a joint because it's a lot healthier.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:What's the deal with old folks calling a "Combination" pizza "all-dressed?"

This is an old folk thing, and also a French thing I think.  A lot of my French co-workers (even the youngish ones) call it "all-dressed".  Bunch of idiots.

Wrong. The french would call it "hall-dress."

Gimme a hall-dress peeza with tree Dumaur, a Joe Louis, and Pepsi

Thank goodness we have "A place to vent."

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:What's the deal with old folks calling a "Combination" pizza "all-dressed?"

This is an old folk thing, and also a French thing I think.  A lot of my French co-workers (even the youngish ones) call it "all-dressed".  Bunch of idiots.

Wrong. The french would call it "hall-dress."

I got a french buddy I talk hockey with a lot, and he can't pronounce the name "Ian" to save his life. It always comes out "Yan". Like "Yan White".

NEELY wrote:

DirtyDave wrote:I agree with the comments that parents have a huge part if not 100% at fault. If children don't see the parents excerices then they won't think that that is something to be important. Also, dinner table culture is important. Many kids now tell their parents what they want to eat and in general making diner time a stressful experience "eat your vegetables!", "don't eat so much!" etc. these comments can have psychological implications to kids. Or how about parents who give kids food when their bored. Ya all this crap happens and has an effect on future eating happens.

Exactly.  If you have pop in the fridge with kids around IMO that is a mistake as a parent that is extremely easy to avoid.  The ONLY reason you have pop in the fridge is because "you like it" or "the kids like it".  If an 8 year old like smoking weed would you give it to him?  Well if it's that or pop I might give a kid a joint because it's a lot healthier.  

Pop drives me nuts. There's absolutely no reason for it.

Parents that offer that crap are nuts. It's like a friend who gave their 6 month old chocolate because he wanted it.

Are you kidding me?! That kid is going to walk all over them.

Yup. I mean I enjoy a good cold pop every once in a while with a slice of pizza at the game or a rum and coke when I am drinking with some buddies but having that stored away at home...? For what? There is literally no reason to have pop inside your house short of entertaining guests.

NEELY wrote:Yup.  I mean I enjoy a good cold pop every once in a while with a slice of pizza at the game or a rum and coke when I am drinking with some buddies but having that stored away at home...?  For what?  There is literally no reason to have pop inside your house short of entertaining guests.

Fat guests.

Ugh... a lot of them yes

Pop is fine to have every now and then. Like, pop has been around forever and people weren't really fat years ago when you could go down to the local store and get a glass bottle

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:Ok, I won't judge.  I want to hear a list of reasons or even just one good reason why a perfectly healthy 8 year old kid could be fat that isn't the parents fault.

I'm convinced that the primary reason is because parents are never home because they pretty much spend their time working and commuting. You really can't blame them for that. I'm sure there's a list beyond that and certainly neglect would be part of it but it would be near the bottom.

There are after school sports at school (free), there are other programs where kids can go after school to get a little exercise.  Fact is too many parents depend on the TV and the PS to raise their kids and keep them out of trouble when they are not at home.  I get parents are not home all the time and the cost of living has hit the point where both parties need to be working but fact remains my parents were in the same boat and same with the fiances.  Somehow they found a way to get it done and my family was very poor for a very long time so that's not an excuse either.

For those "bookworms" maybe throw some sort of health and well being book in there between Steven Hawking "The Nature and Space of Time" and some George Orwell "1984".  Kid is obviously smart if he can read that so I am sure he/she will pick up on the importance of health.  

My sons were in band at their highschool, which included rehearsals twice a week after school. School generally ended at 2:15, with a bus that took them home at 2:30. Band ran to 3:30 or 3:45. There was no second bus. The school is a 15 minute drive from home, and nearly a half hour for me from work (and 45 minutes longer for my wife). No-one else in the band lived in Morgan's Grant.

Now, I'm sure after-school sports may have a larger group of students involved, so more of a probability of someone from Morgan's Grant to share rides, but no matter how you slice it, leaving wok at 3PM to pick my kid up at school is not an easy task to accomplish working in high-tech.

Back when I was in highschool there was an early and a late bus. I could stay for extra-curricular activities (I was involved in a few) and my parents wouldn't even have to know. I never got driven anywhere that I can remember. Things have changed.

My father in law never finished high school, yet somehow was able to support a family with five kids, and his wife never worked after a certain time. And every year they packed up and rented a cottage in Ocean Park, Maine for a week or two (not a Caribbean Cruise but not the exactly a cheap place). We have two good salaries and are struggling. My salary has pretty much not changed since 2002 (when I was promoted to manager), and in that time frame I spent a bit of time on the sidelines, as well, cutting into savings. In that time frame food, gas, electricity has doubled or more. Residential taxes have gone up as well (property values are going up 7% a year for the last decade, so every 5 years they do the municipal assessment and your taxes go up).

And yet the one thing that is still being ignored by you is the fact that all kids are different. To be perfectly clear, none of my kids are obese, not even close. My oldest, the one who despises any sort of sports, has actually dropped about 15 lbs since he started working (cashier at WalMart), and even before that, while I worried about him, I would never call him obese or even fat. Still, the eating habits of three of them are alarming. I cannot force them to eat. I cannot change what they crave (I can just control what I buy -- but, as I said before, what about when they move out?)

When they move out they'll realize they need to bulk up and shape up in order to get the ladies

NEELY wrote:There are things that parents 20 years ago didn't have to worry about like social media that is tough for sure but how is it harder now?  Every generation has a different challenge and always will.  My parents worked their asses off and gave up everything for my brother and I including sleep and mental sanity... so again it's harder how?  Remember the people raising kids now are the generation of excuses (including myself), it's never fair, our fault, or it's just not as easy when people before us did it.  Always on someone else, right?  "My kid is 50 lbs overweight, well that's someone else's fault" or "it's too hard to get him to not drink pop".

Taxes is one thing.

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:Ok, I won't judge.  I want to hear a list of reasons or even just one good reason why a perfectly healthy 8 year old kid could be fat that isn't the parents fault.

I'm convinced that the primary reason is because parents are never home because they pretty much spend their time working and commuting. You really can't blame them for that. I'm sure there's a list beyond that and certainly neglect would be part of it but it would be near the bottom.

There are after school sports at school (free), there are other programs where kids can go after school to get a little exercise.  Fact is too many parents depend on the TV and the PS to raise their kids and keep them out of trouble when they are not at home.  I get parents are not home all the time and the cost of living has hit the point where both parties need to be working but fact remains my parents were in the same boat and same with the fiances.  Somehow they found a way to get it done and my family was very poor for a very long time so that's not an excuse either.

For those "bookworms" maybe throw some sort of health and well being book in there between Steven Hawking "The Nature and Space of Time" and some George Orwell "1984".  Kid is obviously smart if he can read that so I am sure he/she will pick up on the importance of health.  

My sons were in band at their highschool, which included rehearsals twice a week after school.  School generally ended at 2:15, with a bus that took them home at 2:30.  Band ran to 3:30 or 3:45.  There was no second bus.  The school is a 15 minute drive from home, and nearly a half hour for me from work (and 45 minutes longer for my wife).  No-one else in the band lived in Morgan's Grant.

Now, I'm sure after-school sports may have a larger group of students involved, so more of a probability of someone from Morgan's Grant to share rides, but no matter how you slice it, leaving wok at 3PM to pick my kid up at school is not an easy task to accomplish working in high-tech.  

Back when I was in highschool there was an early and a late bus.  I could stay for extra-curricular activities (I was involved in a few) and my parents wouldn't even have to know.  I never got driven anywhere that I can remember.  Things have changed.

My father in law never finished high school, yet somehow was able to support a family with five kids, and his wife never worked after a certain time.  And every year they packed up and rented a cottage in Ocean Park, Maine for a week or two (not a Caribbean Cruise but not the exactly a cheap place).  We have two good salaries and are struggling.  My salary has pretty much not changed since 2002 (when I was promoted to manager), and in that time frame I spent a bit of time on the sidelines, as well, cutting into savings.  In that time frame food, gas, electricity has doubled or more.  Residential taxes have gone up as well (property values are going up 7% a year for the last decade, so every 5 years they do the municipal assessment and your taxes go up).  

And yet the one thing that is still being ignored by you is the fact that all kids are different.  To be perfectly clear, none of my kids are obese, not even close.  My oldest, the one who despises any sort of sports, has actually dropped about 15 lbs since he started working (cashier at WalMart), and even before that, while I worried about him, I would never call him obese or even fat.  Still, the eating habits of three of them are alarming.  I cannot force them to eat.  I cannot change what they crave (I can just control what I buy -- but, as  I said before, what about when they move out?)

Like sports and being physically active are not the same. There is nothing to stop any person from running or lifting a weight, there are many different ways to be active. Eating habits are developed over time so yah, bad eating habits are on the parents (sorry). He is the only one that can break the cycle at this point and cutting 1 thing out of his diet that is bad for him is a good way to start. Going cold turkey is just a crappy way of dieting until you get sick of it.

Example... tell him (if you are worried) that maybe he should just cut pop out of his diet. Keep having chips, candy, deep fried foods, w/e, just get him to stop drinking pop. You can build on that.

Physical activities... start going on walks, it's that simple. Work up from there.

Ev wrote:When they move out they'll realize they need to bulk up and shape up in order to get the ladies

Honestly, this is one of the best reasons to get fit.  Sounds shallow but fact is the fat guy never gets the women at the party/bar and confidence suffers which can lead to mental problems and a life on unhappyness.  Might not want to hear things like this but it is absolutely true.

DirtyDave wrote:I agree with the comments that parents have a huge part if not 100% at fault. If children don't see the parents excerices then they won't think that that is something to be important. Also, dinner table culture is important. Many kids now tell their parents what they want to eat and in general making diner time a stressful experience "eat your vegetables!", "don't eat so much!" etc. these comments can have psychological implications to kids. Or how about parents who give kids food when their bored. Ya all this crap happens and has an effect on future eating happens.

Parents didn't exercise in the 50s, come on, be reasonable! The exercise craze started in the late 70s. Father use to come home, put on his slippers, pull out his pipe and read the paper while sipping a bit of brandy. And kids played outside until suppertime. Obesity was rare, to say the least.

We have struggled for the last 15 years to eat as a family. Tough to do when the kids don't want to. Can't force them. Can't threaten them.

tim1_2 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:What's the deal with old folks calling a "Combination" pizza "all-dressed?"

This is an old folk thing, and also a French thing I think.  A lot of my French co-workers (even the youngish ones) call it "all-dressed".  Bunch of idiots.

In Montreal they call it all-dressed. "Combination" is an Ontario (or Ottawa) thing, not old.

wprager wrote:

DirtyDave wrote:I agree with the comments that parents have a huge part if not 100% at fault. If children don't see the parents excerices then they won't think that that is something to be important. Also, dinner table culture is important. Many kids now tell their parents what they want to eat and in general making diner time a stressful experience "eat your vegetables!", "don't eat so much!" etc. these comments can have psychological implications to kids. Or how about parents who give kids food when their bored. Ya all this crap happens and has an effect on future eating happens.

Parents didn't exercise in the 50s, come on, be reasonable!  The exercise craze started in the late 70s.  Father use to come home, put on his slippers, pull out his pipe and read the paper while sipping a bit of brandy.  And kids played outside until suppertime.  Obesity was rare, to say the least.

We have struggled for the last 15 years to eat as a family.  Tough to do when the kids don't want to.  Can't force them.  Can't threaten them.  

Usually after an 8 hour day of physical labour. That's exercise.

Again, I suggest to stop buying pop first. Stop buying juice as well as you shouldn't be drinking calories. By the sounds of it (and I apologize if I am incorrect here or insulting) don't think your kids are going to get up and go to the store to buy some.

One thing at a time.