UFA/Canada Day Moves and Signings and Rumours

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:They need a big winger that can score. Obviously there will be some convo between the Murray brothers and as a result B.Murray may not pull a trigger on a deal for Penner, but he is still the same GM who signed him to his first NHL contract and still the same GM that had a trade for him worked out.

There are a couple of guys at a crossroads in Ottawa right now, Filatov and Regin, you can afford to take a chance during a rebuild, you have to see who has it and who doesn't. He's also in a contract year. He was great with Edmonton for most of his time.

I guess it comes down to how MacLean and staff feel about it. You certainly don't want a player who's mailing it in, MacLean will kill him I'm sure. If MacLean thinks he can work with him, then I bet you can STEAL him from LA, like for a 3rd round pick. The reasoning is: they might just want to free up the $$ and go for a cheap vet or wait for the trade deadline.

The attractive part(s) of Penner is that he's bloody massive, will hit 20 goals, is in the final year of his contract, so he's an asset at the trade deadline, has a history with Murray.

The negative are: he's lazy, not fast (although not as slow as I initially thought), not very skilled and overpaid (disregarding yesterday).

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Penner is good for 20 goals every year basically and he is in his prime. Put him on Spezza's wing and he's laughing to 25 or 30 for sure. He has his falls backs but the team is not center around him, there are guys that can move up and down the lineup if he does struggle, and you can cut bait with him at years end if need be. Contract year is a huge bonus with him because there is obvious motivation.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:They need a big winger that can score. Obviously there will be some convo between the Murray brothers and as a result B.Murray may not pull a trigger on a deal for Penner, but he is still the same GM who signed him to his first NHL contract and still the same GM that had a trade for him worked out.

There are a couple of guys at a crossroads in Ottawa right now, Filatov and Regin, you can afford to take a chance during a rebuild, you have to see who has it and who doesn't. He's also in a contract year. He was great with Edmonton for most of his time.

I guess it comes down to how MacLean and staff feel about it. You certainly don't want a player who's mailing it in, MacLean will kill him I'm sure. If MacLean thinks he can work with him, then I bet you can STEAL him from LA, like for a 3rd round pick. The reasoning is: they might just want to free up the $$ and go for a cheap vet or wait for the trade deadline.

The attractive part(s) of Penner is that he's bloody massive, will hit 20 goals, is in the final year of his contract, so he's an asset at the trade deadline, has a history with Murray.

The negative are: he's lazy, not fast (although not as slow as I initially thought), not very skilled and overpaid (disregarding yesterday).

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Penner is good for 20 goals every year basically and he is in his prime. Put him on Spezza's wing and he's laughing to 25 or 30 for sure. He has his falls backs but the team is not center around him, there are guys that can move up and down the lineup if he does struggle, and you can cut bait with him at years end if need be. Contract year is a huge bonus with him because there is obvious motivation.

You understand why I'd be timid to acquire him though, as a young rebuilding team, sometimes having a lazy player can be a real issue.

Yes it can be but The Sens have all right people in place from the GM down. The coach comes from a winning organization, they have the longest serving captain in The NHL, the team is finally being built around Spezza and he has been at his best since they made that turn, you still have Phillips and Neil there... so many things to protect the young players.

Also, coming up you have guys that were the captain of their NCAA teams in Greening, Condra, Boroweicki, and guys that will always work hard in Smith, Foligno, and Michalek.

The big question mark is Filatov for sure, if they did trade for Penner he would obviously be a question mark but would still instantly be a 20 goal guy on a team that will probably struggle to score.

All things considered it would be a smart move to pick up Penner if Murray truly believed he could be a kog in the offense for 3 or 4 years. If things don't work out with imidiate results he will be someone you could probably trade at the deadline anyways... that cup ring is huge.

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Sens should look at Prospal, great numbers, team guy. 2 million bucks, 1 year?

SpezDispenser wrote:http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=4403

Sens should look at Prospal, great numbers, team guy. 2 million bucks, 1 year?

More of a Kovalev signing than anything. Penner is still young enough you could get 4 or 5 good seasons out of him if things work out. Him being in Ottawa would take a lot of pressure off some guys that may be expected to come in at a young age and produce.

I would sign Bergfors to complete a Swede line of Alfie-Zib-Bergfors.

Other than him I don't see anybody to sign, unless you want Drury or somebody to fill the 2nd line centre position. But with Murray's talk, he believes some guys at camp (probably Zib, Cowen, Rundblad, maybe others) are ready, so they already have many options internally.

NEELY wrote:Yes it can be but The Sens have all right people in place from the GM down. The coach comes from a winning organization, they have the longest serving captain in The NHL, the team is finally being built around Spezza and he has been at his best since they made that turn, you still have Phillips and Neil there... so many things to protect the young players.

Also, coming up you have guys that were the captain of their NCAA teams in Greening, Condra, Boroweicki, and guys that will always work hard in Smith, Foligno, and Michalek.

The big question mark is Filatov for sure, if they did trade for Penner he would obviously be a question mark but would still instantly be a 20 goal guy on a team that will probably struggle to score.

All things considered it would be a smart move to pick up Penner if Murray truly believed he could be a kog in the offense for 3 or 4 years. If things don't work out with imidiate results he will be someone you could probably trade at the deadline anyways... that cup ring is huge.

Zibanejad could make it for sure, especially with a 6'2", 198 pound frame to work with this summer. Part of me wants to see him get another year in the SEL to get more prepared for the pro game - it would be even better if he'd play in the AHL so we can track his progress and call him up.

Big Ev wrote:I would sign Bergfors to complete a Swede line of Alfie-Zib-Bergfors.

Other than him I don't see anybody to sign, unless you want Drury or somebody to fill the 2nd line centre position. But with Murray's talk, he believes some guys at camp (probably Zib, Cowen, Rundblad, maybe others) are ready, so they already have many options internally.

Plus a chance for Murray to look for a trade involving Kuba for a forward if need be.

Big Ev wrote:I would sign Bergfors to complete a Swede line of Alfie-Zib-Bergfors.

Other than him I don't see anybody to sign, unless you want Drury or somebody to fill the 2nd line centre position. But with Murray's talk, he believes some guys at camp (probably Zib, Cowen, Rundblad, maybe others) are ready, so they already have many options internally.

Basically this. I still think they could very well trade for Penner and if he has a good season they could deal him away for a serious asset at the deadline. If they don't, they just cut bait next year if they feel he isn't a guy they want around, then you just plug Silfverberg in there.

So Florida is going to have Theodore as thier number 1 now that Vokoun signed in Washington...

Deadlast again for The Panthers but now they just have a bunch of bad contracts.

Caps didn't need Vokoun at all. He's not gonna help them out that much. Neuvirth wasn't the reason they lost the the Lightning.

The Avs are also really really incompetent.

1.5 million for Vokoun? WTF is happening? And his next contract is a 35+.

Yeah that's a steal of a deal right there. Guy's been phenomenal in his career stats wise and he signs for WAAAY less than Bryzgalov. Vokoun must really think he has a shot at the Cup in Washington.

So now the Caps have less than $1M apparently, and still need to re-sign Brouwer and Alzner.

Colorado is the biggest joke in the league right now.

Oh and Ian White signed in Detroit, didn't see it discussed.

And Doughty still needs a contract... find it very odd that they didn't make that a priority before acquiring Mike Richards and signing Simon Gagne. But if they need to make room, Ottawa will take Anze Kopitar in lieu of cap space.

Big Ev wrote:Caps didn't need Vokoun at all. He's not gonna help them out that much. Neuvirth wasn't the reason they lost the the Lightning.

The Avs are also really really incompetent.

Has a team ever won the cup and then had the 1st overall pick? It's a real possibility this up coming season.

Dash wrote:And Doughty still needs a contract... find it very odd that they didn't make that a priority before acquiring Mike Richards and signing Simon Gagne. But if they need to make room, Ottawa will take Anze Kopitar in lieu of cap space.

Like I was saying earlier, Penner isn't held in very high regard there, not a lot of teams right now can take that cap hit, and The Sens need a winger with some size right now. Makes so much sense on a lot of levels, only question is what Murray thinks about Penner as a player at this point.