UFA/Canada Day Moves and Signings and Rumours

SpezDispenser wrote:Not sure why they did that. He's 35 years old too, so if he retires, his money stays on. Good luck unloading that in 3 years.

Ha. And they didn't even front-load it, so even if they try to unload the contract, he'll be making his cap hit up until he's 39. It's not like his cap hit is 4x his salary in the last year.

He'll be unmovable. They just signed him to an anchor contract.

Big Ev wrote:annual average value

More likely "average annual value". Why they don't say "cap hit", which is what everyone knows, is weird. It's like they are distancing themselves from that term. With the CBA coming up for re-negotation makes you wonder.

Sounds like Gagne to LAK:

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#LAKings reach verbal agreement with left wing Simon Gagne on two-year contract. More details to come.

3.5 per year for Gagne, another nice deal.

Connolly signing is a great one, especially if he stays healthy. The fit was there for a few reasons, the obvious that the Leafs are Team USA, and the other, it's close to Buffalo, so he won't have to move the family.

Dash wrote:Connolly signing is a great one, especially if he stays healthy. The fit was there for a few reasons, the obvious that the Leafs are Team USA, and the other, it's close to Buffalo, so he won't have to move the family.

Ha. I think the Leafs shallow pool of centers may have something to do with the fit as well.

Well that is obvious, as already mentioned by NEELY on the previous page.

The funny thing about The Leafs now are that they are good enough to finish in the 8-11 spot but not good enough to even be considered contenders. They will never get the franchise player they want as this point, they had their shot last year with Seguin. It's just the same song and dance time and time again.

One thing I think people could see now is a trade for Penner. With The Kings signing Gagne that could very well signal the end for Penner... not well liked in that organization after that playoff... he's also the type of player The Sens need right now on the wing.

Yeah, there's the dangers of trading a first before a season starts. It could come back to haunt you for the next 20 years.

NEELY wrote:One thing I think people could see now is a trade for Penner. With The Kings signing Gagne that could very well signal the end for Penner... not well liked in that organization after that playoff... he's also the type of player The Sens need right now on the wing.

Didn't Bryan Murray's brother Terry call him lost on the ice and question his work ethic. And Lombardi said that The Fat One was at a crossroads in his career, without the effort, he'll be done he said. Is that someone we need?

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, there's the dangers of trading a first before a season starts. It could come back to haunt you for the next 20 years.

Washington may be adding Yukpov to that stacked lineup next year. It's unreal Col gave up a first rounder for a marginal NHL goaltender. They may as well have stuck with Elliott and Budja. I find it hard to believe Vancouver would have turned that deal down for Schneider or LA for Bernier.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:One thing I think people could see now is a trade for Penner. With The Kings signing Gagne that could very well signal the end for Penner... not well liked in that organization after that playoff... he's also the type of player The Sens need right now on the wing.

Didn't Bryan Murray's brother Terry call him lost on the ice and question his work ethic. And Lombardi said that The Fat One was at a crossroads in his career, without the effort, he'll be done he said. Is that someone we need?

They need a big winger that can score. Obviously there will be some convo between the Murray brothers and as a result B.Murray may not pull a trigger on a deal for Penner, but he is still the same GM who signed him to his first NHL contract and still the same GM that had a trade for him worked out.

There are a couple of guys at a crossroads in Ottawa right now, Filatov and Regin, you can afford to take a chance during a rebuild, you have to see who has it and who doesn't. He's also in a contract year. He was great with Edmonton for most of his time.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, there's the dangers of trading a first before a season starts. It could come back to haunt you for the next 20 years.

Washington may be adding Yukpov to that stacked lineup next year. It's unreal Col gave up a first rounder for a marginal NHL goaltender. They may as well have stuck with Elliott and Budja. I find it hard to believe Vancouver would have turned that deal down for Schneider or LA for Bernier.

They should have tried for Schneider or Bernier, but if they did and were rebuffed, they could do worse than Varlamov. He's got a ton of potential and doesn't seem to be intimidated by the NHL, I think he'll end up being pretty darn good, but WHY pay a 1st. I just refuse to understand how that happened. Wait, be patient for Dung sake, don't react in a knee-jerk fashion like that.

I guess Vokoun told them no, I don't see what else could have happened. I...still don't understand why they gave up SO much for Varlamov, it actually annoys me.

NEELY wrote:They need a big winger that can score. Obviously there will be some convo between the Murray brothers and as a result B.Murray may not pull a trigger on a deal for Penner, but he is still the same GM who signed him to his first NHL contract and still the same GM that had a trade for him worked out.

There are a couple of guys at a crossroads in Ottawa right now, Filatov and Regin, you can afford to take a chance during a rebuild, you have to see who has it and who doesn't. He's also in a contract year. He was great with Edmonton for most of his time.

I guess it comes down to how MacLean and staff feel about it. You certainly don't want a player who's mailing it in, MacLean will kill him I'm sure. If MacLean thinks he can work with him, then I bet you can STEAL him from LA, like for a 3rd round pick. The reasoning is: they might just want to free up the $$ and go for a cheap vet or wait for the trade deadline.

The attractive part(s) of Penner is that he's bloody massive, can hit 20 goals, is in the final year of his contract, so he's an asset at the trade deadline, has a history with Murray.

The negative are: he's lazy, not fast (although not as slow as I initially thought), not very skilled and overpaid (disregarding yesterday).

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:They need a big winger that can score. Obviously there will be some convo between the Murray brothers and as a result B.Murray may not pull a trigger on a deal for Penner, but he is still the same GM who signed him to his first NHL contract and still the same GM that had a trade for him worked out.

There are a couple of guys at a crossroads in Ottawa right now, Filatov and Regin, you can afford to take a chance during a rebuild, you have to see who has it and who doesn't. He's also in a contract year. He was great with Edmonton for most of his time.

I guess it comes down to how MacLean and staff feel about it. You certainly don't want a player who's mailing it in, MacLean will kill him I'm sure. If MacLean thinks he can work with him, then I bet you can STEAL him from LA, like for a 3rd round pick. The reasoning is: they might just want to free up the $$ and go for a cheap vet or wait for the trade deadline.

The attractive part(s) of Penner is that he's bloody massive, will hit 20 goals, is in the final year of his contract, so he's an asset at the trade deadline, has a history with Murray.

The negative are: he's lazy, not fast (although not as slow as I initially thought), not very skilled and overpaid (disregarding yesterday).

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Penner is good for 20 goals every year basically and he is in his prime. Put him on Spezza's wing and he's laughing to 25 or 30 for sure. He has his falls backs but the team is not center around him, there are guys that can move up and down the lineup if he does struggle, and you can cut bait with him at years end if need be. Contract year is a huge bonus with him because there is obvious motivation.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:They need a big winger that can score. Obviously there will be some convo between the Murray brothers and as a result B.Murray may not pull a trigger on a deal for Penner, but he is still the same GM who signed him to his first NHL contract and still the same GM that had a trade for him worked out.

There are a couple of guys at a crossroads in Ottawa right now, Filatov and Regin, you can afford to take a chance during a rebuild, you have to see who has it and who doesn't. He's also in a contract year. He was great with Edmonton for most of his time.

I guess it comes down to how MacLean and staff feel about it. You certainly don't want a player who's mailing it in, MacLean will kill him I'm sure. If MacLean thinks he can work with him, then I bet you can STEAL him from LA, like for a 3rd round pick. The reasoning is: they might just want to free up the $$ and go for a cheap vet or wait for the trade deadline.

The attractive part(s) of Penner is that he's bloody massive, will hit 20 goals, is in the final year of his contract, so he's an asset at the trade deadline, has a history with Murray.

The negative are: he's lazy, not fast (although not as slow as I initially thought), not very skilled and overpaid (disregarding yesterday).

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Penner is good for 20 goals every year basically and he is in his prime. Put him on Spezza's wing and he's laughing to 25 or 30 for sure. He has his falls backs but the team is not center around him, there are guys that can move up and down the lineup if he does struggle, and you can cut bait with him at years end if need be. Contract year is a huge bonus with him because there is obvious motivation.

You understand why I'd be timid to acquire him though, as a young rebuilding team, sometimes having a lazy player can be a real issue.

Yes it can be but The Sens have all right people in place from the GM down. The coach comes from a winning organization, they have the longest serving captain in The NHL, the team is finally being built around Spezza and he has been at his best since they made that turn, you still have Phillips and Neil there... so many things to protect the young players.

Also, coming up you have guys that were the captain of their NCAA teams in Greening, Condra, Boroweicki, and guys that will always work hard in Smith, Foligno, and Michalek.

The big question mark is Filatov for sure, if they did trade for Penner he would obviously be a question mark but would still instantly be a 20 goal guy on a team that will probably struggle to score.

All things considered it would be a smart move to pick up Penner if Murray truly believed he could be a kog in the offense for 3 or 4 years. If things don't work out with imidiate results he will be someone you could probably trade at the deadline anyways... that cup ring is huge.