Sens Lineup Card for 11/12

Not trying to sway opinion but Regin did also follow up his playoffs with a solid World Championship performance. Just didn't want him to be sold short is all.

I still think he can salvage a solid top nine position out of his career btw.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Not trying to sway opinion but Regin did also follow up his playoffs with a solid World Championship performance. Just didn't want him to be sold short is all.

I still think he can salvage a solid top nine position out of his career btw.

I think everyone was excited with the thought of what Regin could do after the end of the 2009-10 season. Hell, Dobber's fantasy guide had him picked as the sleeper pick of the year. But Regin was awful last year, and now he's at a definite crossroads in his career. He's got to come in playing his best this fall or his NHL career is going to be in jeopardy.

Regin will definitely have to earn it for sure. Great for the team. Will it be great for Regin? I hope so for his sake.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Regin will definitely have to earn it for sure. Great for the team. Will it be great for Regin? I hope so for his sake.

I remember saying this a few years ago when we still had a 1st line, a checking line and an energy line (and a 2nd line that was really another 3rd line, just not as good at checking). Let's scrap the checking line (since you really only need it in the playoffs, and even then, probably not until the later rounds) and have a third scoring line that we can use to bring up rookies. For years we had kids coming up that were offensive players, only to be placed on the 4th line with the likes of McGrattan.

Regin has a few things going for him: he's a center but can also play wing; he's shown a bit of chemistry with Spezza in the past; he's got size and skill. Honestly, if he works on his core and legs while rehabbing his shoulder, and then works on his upper body all August, he'll be fine. He *may* have to prove himself more than others, given the set-back last season, but he also has 2 years under his belt -- he's got almost 100 more games than Filatov.

On left wing, you've got Michalek and Filatov pretty much guaranteed a spot (until injuries or bad play), leaving the last spot (Regin is not a 4th liner) between Regin, Foligno and Greening. I think this means he's got a better shot at center. Spezza is the 1C; Konopka and Winchester take 4C, leaving 2C and 3C up for grabs between Regin, Smith, Zibanejad and the callups (Da Costa, Caporusso, O'Brien -- although he's probably 4C).

The more I look at it the more I am convinced that the Sens will be moving several forwards. And Regin just might be one of them.

wprager wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Regin will definitely have to earn it for sure. Great for the team. Will it be great for Regin? I hope so for his sake.

I remember saying this a few years ago when we still had a 1st line, a checking line and an energy line (and a 2nd line that was really another 3rd line, just not as good at checking). Let's scrap the checking line (since you really only need it in the playoffs, and even then, probably not until the later rounds) and have a third scoring line that we can use to bring up rookies. For years we had kids coming up that were offensive players, only to be placed on the 4th line with the likes of McGrattan.

Regin has a few things going for him: he's a center but can also play wing; he's shown a bit of chemistry with Spezza in the past; he's got size and skill. Honestly, if he works on his core and legs while rehabbing his shoulder, and then works on his upper body all August, he'll be fine. He *may* have to prove himself more than others, given the set-back last season, but he also has 2 years under his belt -- he's got almost 100 more games than Filatov.

On left wing, you've got Michalek and Filatov pretty much guaranteed a spot (until injuries or bad play), leaving the last spot (Regin is not a 4th liner) between Regin, Foligno and Greening. I think this means he's got a better shot at center. Spezza is the 1C; Konopka and Winchester take 4C, leaving 2C and 3C up for grabs between Regin, Smith, Zibanejad and the callups (Da Costa, Caporusso, O'Brien -- although he's probably 4C).

The more I look at it the more I am convinced that the Sens will be moving several forwards. And Regin just might be one of them.

it wouldn't be a bad idea to move a few bodies but I'm not convinced Regin is one of those. I think BM has got to know this too. If we know what he's capable of then BM know as well and is fully aware that maybe even some competiotion for the 2C is a good thing. He's probably aware also of the fact that down the line having a Regin center a 3rd line is also probably a good thing.
that's if he shows up.

Certainly this would be a bad time to move Regin. He needs to play, and play well, in order to make his trade worth the paper it's signed on. That's wjhy I said "might be".

If it came down to it, though, who would you rather see moved -- Regin or Foligno? For me, Regin. We have skill on the left side with Filatov, and I just don't see Regin doing what Foligno *can* do by bullying his way to the net. Foligno just has to remember to always move his feet and never coast. Moving your feet leads to scoring chances or penalties a lot more.

wprager wrote:Certainly this would be a bad time to move Regin. He needs to play, and play well, in order to make his trade worth the paper it's signed on. That's wjhy I said "might be".

If it came down to it, though, who would you rather see moved -- Regin or Foligno? For me, Regin. We have skill on the left side with Filatov, and I just don't see Regin doing what Foligno *can* do by bullying his way to the net. Foligno just has to remember to always move his feet and never coast. Moving your feet leads to scoring chances or penalties a lot more.

Filatov is also a Big interrogation point on this team. I'm not sure who I'd want to keep more over Regin or Foligno... in the past I would of said Regin.

wprager wrote:Certainly this would be a bad time to move Regin. He needs to play, and play well, in order to make his trade worth the paper it's signed on. That's wjhy I said "might be".

If it came down to it, though, who would you rather see moved -- Regin or Foligno? For me, Regin. We have skill on the left side with Filatov, and I just don't see Regin doing what Foligno *can* do by bullying his way to the net. Foligno just has to remember to always move his feet and never coast. Moving your feet leads to scoring chances or penalties a lot more.

I remember watching Regin in one game in the early part of last season. He was about 5 feet from the net and he got 5 or 6 whacks at the puck. I can't remember who the goalie was (or what team we were playing), but he was fighting hard for that space in front of the net. That was the moment I realized how badly he was snakebitten.

I've read people suggesting that Regin's competition level is sub par. I don't see it myself. He was extremely unlucky last season and I'm sure that his confidence took a hit as a result. This year is a clean slate.

It wasn't so much the compete level as it was the fitness level. NEELY said this.

spader wrote:
I remember watching Regin in one game in the early part of last season. He was about 5 feet from the net and he got 5 or 6 whacks at the puck. I can't remember who the goalie was (or what team we were playing), but he was fighting hard for that space in front of the net. That was the moment I realized how badly he was snakebitten.

I've read people suggesting that Regin's competition level is sub par. I don't see it myself. He was extremely unlucky last season and I'm sure that his confidence took a hit as a result. This year is a clean slate.

This is how I feel as well. He worked hard, but just couldn't get it going. If it's his fitness level, then he better fix that immediately, if it's just bad luck, he needs to put his head down and get it done this pre-season.

Regin did seem to lack puck luck last year, but he also had a lacklustre camp. He seemed to get hurt at the wrong time and couldn't really get back on track. Unfortunately, his late season injury could cause a similar issue this year unless he can figure out how to work through it.

I'm hoping this year will be different as he will hopefully have fewer distractions.

What can Regin even do right now? Just leg work and core work I assume if he's still recovering from shoulder surgery. Damn...the kid's in a tight spot.

SpezDispenser wrote:What can Regin even do right now? Just leg work and core work I assume if he's still recovering from shoulder surgery. Damn...the kid's in a tight spot.

Isn't that what really matters though for a hockey player, core and leg strength?

ddt wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:What can Regin even do right now? Just leg work and core work I assume if he's still recovering from shoulder surgery. Damn...the kid's in a tight spot.

Isn't that what really matters though for a hockey player, core and leg strength?

I think the core is the most important, followed by the legs, then the arms, but he'll look like Beetlejuice if he's not careful, huge core and little arms.

EDIT: That's a guess about the importance of strengths - a pure guess. Thought I should add that in there.

I think it all matters, if only to avoid further injury.

Da Costa's making a case...

Filatov - Spezza - Alfredsson
Regin - Da Costa - Michalek
Foligno - Z. Smith - Butler
Greening - Konopka - Neil
Condra

Phillips - Lee
Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Carkner

Anderson
Auld

EDIT: I totally forgot about Winch in there...

Don't disagree about DaCosta making a case. But as has been said before, he has to outplay Regin by a mile to take the 2C spot away, and he hasn't. So I still think 2C goes to Regin, but DaCosta has made a case for sticking around, at least for a while. Zibanejad has also made a case for himself to get a few games, at least, on the 3rd line somewhere. DaCosta is an easy callup, but Zibanejad goes back to Sweden. No sense keeping them both here so I think DaCosta starts in Bingo and Zibanejad gets 4-5 games to see what he does against full NHL rosters (frankly, if he's playing 3rd line, it won't be much different from what he's faced so far).

Does anyone, at this point, think that Kuba is better in the top-four than Cowen? I'd try Cowen-Karlsson and Kuba-Gonchar for at least a couple of games. As much as it hurts putting a $8.2M on the third pairing, what can you do? Long-term I think we'd all agree Cowen-Karlsson is our top-pairing, so why not have them as our 1B for now?

wprager wrote:Don't disagree about DaCosta making a case. But as has been said before, he has to outplay Regin by a mile to take the 2C spot away, and he hasn't. So I still think 2C goes to Regin, but DaCosta has made a case for sticking around, at least for a while. Zibanejad has also made a case for himself to get a few games, at least, on the 3rd line somewhere. DaCosta is an easy callup, but Zibanejad goes back to Sweden. No sense keeping them both here so I think DaCosta starts in Bingo and Zibanejad gets 4-5 games to see what he does against full NHL rosters (frankly, if he's playing 3rd line, it won't be much different from what he's faced so far).

Does anyone, at this point, think that Kuba is better in the top-four than Cowen? I'd try Cowen-Karlsson and Kuba-Gonchar for at least a couple of games. As much as it hurts putting a $8.2M on the third pairing, what can you do? Long-term I think we'd all agree Cowen-Karlsson is our top-pairing, so why not have them as our 1B for now?

I have to agree. If Z-bad can only go to the SEL, then so be it. Da Costa has shown he's an EASY call-up from Bingo.

As for Cowen, he's literally twice as good as Kuba right now. I'm not even exaggerating, he's...simply better. But we all know Kuba can find his game (hopefully).