Mike Richards traded to LA!

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:

spader wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Am I the only person that thinks the Philly organization is a joke right now? They've had huge success in the last 2 years and end up trading 2 guys that are arguably the face of the franchise (after signing them to long term deals with promises they wouldn't be going anywhere).

I hope like hell this bites them in the Donkey going into next year. This isn't the way to run a business.

The question is, have they upgraded with these deals?

Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, 8th, 69th, room for Bryz, plus another pick from LAK for Richards and Carter? I think they're in better shape now than they were an hour ago.

Absolutely not.

Carter > Voracek
Richards > Schenn
Simmonds = 3rd liner (good one, but 3rd liner none the less)
8th + 69th = Complete unknowns
Bryzy = Yet to be determined, seems like an upgrade on paper

That's one way to look at it. The other is that PHI's forward depth was already crazy to begin with, and could afford to be subtracted from a bit.

Look at it this way: PHI will still have a top 9 composed of Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Versteeg, JVR, presumably Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds. Maybe you even start easing Schenn in this year on that 3rd line with, say, Voracek and Symmonds.

In turn, you've acquired probably the best forward prospect in the NHL in Schenn, made room to sign Bryz (consider how badly they've needed a goalie!) and re-sign Leino, and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, with that first likely to be a stud D like Murphy or Hamilton, or maybe someone like Zibanejad.

It will be interesting to see how much they have to pay their new RFAs, Voracek and Symmonds, tho'. They could be a little pricey.

That's pretty much how I'm seeing it. The subtraction up front (which should be fairly minor, particularly considering the emergence of JVR and the potential for Voracek and Simmonds to improve) should be countered by a subtraction in goals allowed if they can lock The Bryz into a contract. It's a small sacrifice in one area for a major improvement in another.

rooneypoo wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:

spader wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Am I the only person that thinks the Philly organization is a joke right now? They've had huge success in the last 2 years and end up trading 2 guys that are arguably the face of the franchise (after signing them to long term deals with promises they wouldn't be going anywhere).

I hope like hell this bites them in the Donkey going into next year. This isn't the way to run a business.

The question is, have they upgraded with these deals?

Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, 8th, 69th, room for Bryz, plus another pick from LAK for Richards and Carter? I think they're in better shape now than they were an hour ago.

Absolutely not.

Carter > Voracek
Richards > Schenn
Simmonds = 3rd liner (good one, but 3rd liner none the less)
8th + 69th = Complete unknowns
Bryzy = Yet to be determined, seems like an upgrade on paper

That's one way to look at it. The other is that PHI's forward depth was already crazy to begin with, and could afford to be subtracted from a bit.

Look at it this way: PHI will still have a top 9 composed of Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Versteeg, JVR, presumably Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds. Maybe you even start easing Schenn in this year on that 3rd line with, say, Voracek and Symmonds.

In turn, you've acquired probably the best forward prospect in the NHL in Schenn, made room to sign Bryz (consider how badly they've needed a goalie!) and re-sign Leino, and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, with that first likely to be a stud D like Murphy or Hamilton, or maybe someone like Zibanejad.

It will be interesting to see how much they have to pay their new RFAs, Voracek and Symmonds, tho'. They could be a little pricey.

rooneypoo wrote:

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:

spader wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Am I the only person that thinks the Philly organization is a joke right now? They've had huge success in the last 2 years and end up trading 2 guys that are arguably the face of the franchise (after signing them to long term deals with promises they wouldn't be going anywhere).

I hope like hell this bites them in the Donkey going into next year. This isn't the way to run a business.

The question is, have they upgraded with these deals?

Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, 8th, 69th, room for Bryz, plus another pick from LAK for Richards and Carter? I think they're in better shape now than they were an hour ago.

Absolutely not.

Carter > Voracek
Richards > Schenn
Simmonds = 3rd liner (good one, but 3rd liner none the less)
8th + 69th = Complete unknowns
Bryzy = Yet to be determined, seems like an upgrade on paper

That's one way to look at it. The other is that PHI's forward depth was already crazy to begin with, and could afford to be subtracted from a bit.

Look at it this way: PHI will still have a top 9 composed of Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Versteeg, JVR, presumably Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds. Maybe you even start easing Schenn in this year on that 3rd line with, say, Voracek and Symmonds.

In turn, you've acquired probably the best forward prospect in the NHL in Schenn, made room to sign Bryz (consider how badly they've needed a goalie!) and re-sign Leino, and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, with that first likely to be a stud D like Murphy or Hamilton, or maybe someone like Zibanejad.

It will be interesting to see how much they have to pay their new RFAs, Voracek and Symmonds, tho'. They could be a little pricey.

That's pretty much how I'm seeing it. The subtraction up front (which should be fairly minor, particularly considering the emergence of JVR and the potential for Voracek and Simmonds to improve) should be countered by a subtraction in goals allowed if they can lock The Bryz into a contract. It's a small sacrifice in one area for a major improvement in another.

The real question for me is, is $13 mil or so that PHI now has in cap space enough to cover Bryz, Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds? The first two alone might eat up $10 mil, and while Voracek probably won't command too much, Symmonds will get $2+ mil for sure.

PHI may still not be done. I can see them still having to move one of Carle, Coburn, or Meszaros.

NEELY wrote:Look at their Calder Cup team from 2005 and you will know my source.

Also, Gonchar hasn't been at the gym in a little bit... school's out for his kids, might have gone somewhere.

Michallica wrote:I don't know, is it just me that thinks Philly did all right in these trades? They got rid of a ton of term before their NTC's kicked and actually got brayden schenn who's one of the highest ranked prospects in the world. And they can maybe draft Zibanejad too with that 8th spot or Ryan Murphy. They'll suck for a year but have the potential to be future beasts with bryzgalov on board.

Michallica wrote:I don't know, is it just me that thinks Philly did all right in these trades? They got rid of a ton of term before their NTC's kicked and actually got brayden schenn who's one of the highest ranked prospects in the world. And they can maybe draft Zibanejad too with that 8th spot or Ryan Murphy. They'll suck for a year but have the potential to be future beasts with bryzgalov on board.

spader wrote:

Michallica wrote:I don't know, is it just me that thinks Philly did all right in these trades? They got rid of a ton of term before their NTC's kicked and actually got brayden schenn who's one of the highest ranked prospects in the world. And they can maybe draft Zibanejad too with that 8th spot or Ryan Murphy. They'll suck for a year but have the potential to be future beasts with bryzgalov on board.

A couple of things have to fall into place, but they look great to me.

Bass Destruction wrote:So Philly has about $10M to sign Leino, Voracek, Carcillo, and Simmonds.

I say $10M as they will probably start Leighton in the AHL.

Big Ev wrote:They needed to be traded if the owner truly wanted him out, which he did.

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:Look at their Calder Cup team from 2005 and you will know my source.

Also, Gonchar hasn't been at the gym in a little bit... school's out for his kids, might have gone somewhere.

Hmm...Picard? I'm not all that familiar with the people from the '05 Phantoms that know Neely.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a big claim to make.

@DarrenDreger
Darren Dreger
Flyers asked for Kadri and Kulemin from the Leafs for Mike Richards. Toronto said they would consider it, but never heard back from Phi.

spader wrote:Interesting:

@DarrenDreger
Darren Dreger
Flyers asked for Kadri and Kulemin from the Leafs for Mike Richards. Toronto said they would consider it, but never heard back from Phi.