Mike Richards traded to LA!

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Okay, where were we with this one? WTF! I guess there was no way they were trading him to the East.

Diddle that, the more I hear about the douchbaggery of Richards and Carter, the more it reminds me of Ottawa a few years ago.

I know for a fact how big of douche bags those guys are. I'm not shocked in the very least.

rooneypoo wrote:Hmm. Just noticed that PHI now has to sign both Voracek and Symmonds, who are both RFAs. I wonder if they can get those two, plus Bryz and Leino, all under wraps?

Also, wow @ the additional 2nd.

Holy Diddle. That makes a big difference. The $13M that they "freed" up in cap space is about to get a couple huge bites taken out of it.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Okay, where were we with this one? WTF! I guess there was no way they were trading him to the East.

Diddle that, the more I hear about the douchbaggery of Richards and Carter, the more it reminds me of Ottawa a few years ago.

I know for a fact how big of douche bags those guys are. I'm not shocked in the very least.

Who cares about Carter, he never impressed me, but what were the issues with Richards?

Coke head douche bag.

stempniaksen wrote:Absolutely not.

Carter > Voracek
Richards > Schenn
Simmonds = 3rd liner (good one, but 3rd liner none the less)
8th + 69th = Complete unknowns
Bryzy = Yet to be determined, seems like an upgrade on paper

Agree with everything, except it's only a matter of time before Voracek is better than Carter IMHO.

stempniaksen wrote:

spader wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Am I the only person that thinks the Philly organization is a joke right now? They've had huge success in the last 2 years and end up trading 2 guys that are arguably the face of the franchise (after signing them to long term deals with promises they wouldn't be going anywhere).

I hope like hell this bites them in the Donkey going into next year. This isn't the way to run a business.

The question is, have they upgraded with these deals?

Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, 8th, 69th, room for Bryz, plus another pick from LAK for Richards and Carter? I think they're in better shape now than they were an hour ago.

Absolutely not.

Carter > Voracek
Richards > Schenn
Simmonds = 3rd liner (good one, but 3rd liner none the less)
8th + 69th = Complete unknowns
Bryzy = Yet to be determined, seems like an upgrade on paper

That's one way to look at it. The other is that PHI's forward depth was already crazy to begin with, and could afford to be subtracted from a bit.

Look at it this way: PHI will still have a top 9 composed of Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Versteeg, JVR, presumably Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds. Maybe you even start easing Schenn in this year on that 3rd line with, say, Voracek and Symmonds.

In turn, you've acquired probably the best forward prospect in the NHL in Schenn, made room to sign Bryz (consider how badly they've needed a goalie!) and re-sign Leino, and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, with that first likely to be a stud D like Murphy or Hamilton, or maybe someone like Zibanejad.

It will be interesting to see how much they have to pay their new RFAs, Voracek and Symmonds, tho'. They could be a little pricey.

NEELY wrote:Coke head douche bag.

Hmm...source, or are they railing lines at the gym?

NEELY wrote:Coke head douche bag.

Wow, this is more and more like the Sens of a few years ago. The similarities are astounding.

Look at their Calder Cup team from 2005 and you will know my source.

Also, Gonchar hasn't been at the gym in a little bit... school's out for his kids, might have gone somewhere.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Okay, where were we with this one? WTF! I guess there was no way they were trading him to the East.

Diddle that, the more I hear about the douchbaggery of Richards and Carter, the more it reminds me of Ottawa a few years ago.

I know for a fact how big of douche bags those guys are. I'm not shocked in the very least.

Who cares about Carter, he never impressed me, but what were the issues with Richards?

Richards is a bigger douche bag than Carter to be honest. Guy is known around the league as one of the worst offenders of "douche bag-ness". I have a hard time believing this trade won't settle him down a bit though, especially since he won't be thrust into a leadership position.

rooneypoo wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:

spader wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Am I the only person that thinks the Philly organization is a joke right now? They've had huge success in the last 2 years and end up trading 2 guys that are arguably the face of the franchise (after signing them to long term deals with promises they wouldn't be going anywhere).

I hope like hell this bites them in the Donkey going into next year. This isn't the way to run a business.

The question is, have they upgraded with these deals?

Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, 8th, 69th, room for Bryz, plus another pick from LAK for Richards and Carter? I think they're in better shape now than they were an hour ago.

Absolutely not.

Carter > Voracek
Richards > Schenn
Simmonds = 3rd liner (good one, but 3rd liner none the less)
8th + 69th = Complete unknowns
Bryzy = Yet to be determined, seems like an upgrade on paper

That's one way to look at it. The other is that PHI's forward depth was already crazy to begin with, and could afford to be subtracted from a bit.

Look at it this way: PHI will still have a top 9 composed of Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Versteeg, JVR, presumably Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds. Maybe you even start easing Schenn in this year on that 3rd line with, say, Voracek and Symmonds.

In turn, you've acquired probably the best forward prospect in the NHL in Schenn, made room to sign Bryz (consider how badly they've needed a goalie!) and re-sign Leino, and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, with that first likely to be a stud D like Murphy or Hamilton, or maybe someone like Zibanejad.

It will be interesting to see how much they have to pay their new RFAs, Voracek and Symmonds, tho'. They could be a little pricey.

That's pretty much how I'm seeing it. The subtraction up front (which should be fairly minor, particularly considering the emergence of JVR and the potential for Voracek and Simmonds to improve) should be countered by a subtraction in goals allowed if they can lock The Bryz into a contract. It's a small sacrifice in one area for a major improvement in another.

TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
Bryzgalov contract with PHI is done. 9 years, $51 million.

stempniaksen wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Okay, where were we with this one? WTF! I guess there was no way they were trading him to the East.

Diddle that, the more I hear about the douchbaggery of Richards and Carter, the more it reminds me of Ottawa a few years ago.

I know for a fact how big of douche bags those guys are. I'm not shocked in the very least.

Who cares about Carter, he never impressed me, but what were the issues with Richards?

Richards is a bigger douche bag than Carter to be honest. Guy is known around the league as one of the worst offenders of "douche bag-ness". I have a hard time believing this trade won't settle him down a bit though, especially since he won't be thrust into a leadership position.

WAY bigger.

This is Cussed, Philly just signed Bryz to a 9/51

So LA passed on Douchebag Heatley but took Douchebag Richards ?

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:

spader wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Am I the only person that thinks the Philly organization is a joke right now? They've had huge success in the last 2 years and end up trading 2 guys that are arguably the face of the franchise (after signing them to long term deals with promises they wouldn't be going anywhere).

I hope like hell this bites them in the Donkey going into next year. This isn't the way to run a business.

The question is, have they upgraded with these deals?

Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, 8th, 69th, room for Bryz, plus another pick from LAK for Richards and Carter? I think they're in better shape now than they were an hour ago.

Absolutely not.

Carter > Voracek
Richards > Schenn
Simmonds = 3rd liner (good one, but 3rd liner none the less)
8th + 69th = Complete unknowns
Bryzy = Yet to be determined, seems like an upgrade on paper

That's one way to look at it. The other is that PHI's forward depth was already crazy to begin with, and could afford to be subtracted from a bit.

Look at it this way: PHI will still have a top 9 composed of Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Versteeg, JVR, presumably Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds. Maybe you even start easing Schenn in this year on that 3rd line with, say, Voracek and Symmonds.

In turn, you've acquired probably the best forward prospect in the NHL in Schenn, made room to sign Bryz (consider how badly they've needed a goalie!) and re-sign Leino, and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, with that first likely to be a stud D like Murphy or Hamilton, or maybe someone like Zibanejad.

It will be interesting to see how much they have to pay their new RFAs, Voracek and Symmonds, tho'. They could be a little pricey.

That's pretty much how I'm seeing it. The subtraction up front (which should be fairly minor, particularly considering the emergence of JVR and the potential for Voracek and Simmonds to improve) should be countered by a subtraction in goals allowed if they can lock The Bryz into a contract. It's a small sacrifice in one area for a major improvement in another.

The real question for me is, is $13 mil or so that PHI now has in cap space enough to cover Bryz, Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds? The first two alone might eat up $10 mil, and while Voracek probably won't command too much, Symmonds will get $2+ mil for sure.

PHI may still not be done. I can see them still having to move one of Carle, Coburn, or Meszaros.

EDIT: Bryz at $5.66 mil. Maybe they squeeze everyone in after all.

rooneypoo wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:

spader wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Am I the only person that thinks the Philly organization is a joke right now? They've had huge success in the last 2 years and end up trading 2 guys that are arguably the face of the franchise (after signing them to long term deals with promises they wouldn't be going anywhere).

I hope like hell this bites them in the Donkey going into next year. This isn't the way to run a business.

The question is, have they upgraded with these deals?

Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, 8th, 69th, room for Bryz, plus another pick from LAK for Richards and Carter? I think they're in better shape now than they were an hour ago.

Absolutely not.

Carter > Voracek
Richards > Schenn
Simmonds = 3rd liner (good one, but 3rd liner none the less)
8th + 69th = Complete unknowns
Bryzy = Yet to be determined, seems like an upgrade on paper

That's one way to look at it. The other is that PHI's forward depth was already crazy to begin with, and could afford to be subtracted from a bit.

Look at it this way: PHI will still have a top 9 composed of Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Versteeg, JVR, presumably Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds. Maybe you even start easing Schenn in this year on that 3rd line with, say, Voracek and Symmonds.

In turn, you've acquired probably the best forward prospect in the NHL in Schenn, made room to sign Bryz (consider how badly they've needed a goalie!) and re-sign Leino, and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, with that first likely to be a stud D like Murphy or Hamilton, or maybe someone like Zibanejad.

It will be interesting to see how much they have to pay their new RFAs, Voracek and Symmonds, tho'. They could be a little pricey.

Key word right there, they could subtract from their depth. Trading away 2 of your best 3 forwards isn't trading away depth guys, it's changing the whole face of a team that has just had 2 incredibly successful seasons.

Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't agree with the mantra of trading all your stars away over maturity issues.

rooneypoo wrote:

spader wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:

spader wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Am I the only person that thinks the Philly organization is a joke right now? They've had huge success in the last 2 years and end up trading 2 guys that are arguably the face of the franchise (after signing them to long term deals with promises they wouldn't be going anywhere).

I hope like hell this bites them in the Donkey going into next year. This isn't the way to run a business.

The question is, have they upgraded with these deals?

Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, 8th, 69th, room for Bryz, plus another pick from LAK for Richards and Carter? I think they're in better shape now than they were an hour ago.

Absolutely not.

Carter > Voracek
Richards > Schenn
Simmonds = 3rd liner (good one, but 3rd liner none the less)
8th + 69th = Complete unknowns
Bryzy = Yet to be determined, seems like an upgrade on paper

That's one way to look at it. The other is that PHI's forward depth was already crazy to begin with, and could afford to be subtracted from a bit.

Look at it this way: PHI will still have a top 9 composed of Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Versteeg, JVR, presumably Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds. Maybe you even start easing Schenn in this year on that 3rd line with, say, Voracek and Symmonds.

In turn, you've acquired probably the best forward prospect in the NHL in Schenn, made room to sign Bryz (consider how badly they've needed a goalie!) and re-sign Leino, and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, with that first likely to be a stud D like Murphy or Hamilton, or maybe someone like Zibanejad.

It will be interesting to see how much they have to pay their new RFAs, Voracek and Symmonds, tho'. They could be a little pricey.

That's pretty much how I'm seeing it. The subtraction up front (which should be fairly minor, particularly considering the emergence of JVR and the potential for Voracek and Simmonds to improve) should be countered by a subtraction in goals allowed if they can lock The Bryz into a contract. It's a small sacrifice in one area for a major improvement in another.

The real question for me is, is $13 mil or so that PHI now has in cap space enough to cover Bryz, Leino, Voracek, and Symmonds? The first two alone might eat up $10 mil, and while Voracek probably won't command too much, Symmonds will get $2+ mil for sure.

PHI may still not be done. I can see them still having to move one of Carle, Coburn, or Meszaros.

With the Bryz contract I can see them having to deal 1 more guy. My prediction is Carle, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Versteeg dealt either.